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Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany


Kashub1410 6 | 684
18 Oct 2022 #361
@pawian
It was forced from their hands at Potsdam and distributed among the spoils, you should know perfectly well it was a tactic that Stalin did (it was his demand, together with Churchills wish to weaken Germany more permanently). That way Stalin was able to give his loyal stooges a trumph card, arguing that it's the Soviet Union that guarantees Poland's western land and only an alliance with it will make Poland keep it long term.

So it's yet to be seen by Germanys actions if they truly have given up it's eastern lands as compensation or are just smiling kindly to the music being played.
OP GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
18 Oct 2022 #362
no living German in his or her right mind would dare to petition somehow reclaiming these

Of course not. Even the former DDR lands are depopulating - who would settle in former Polish lands if Germany ever somehow regained them?

Pragmatism and political realism should rule the behaviour of states, especially the allied ones - yes, Poland and Germany are still allies (at least on paper). The question now is, can Germany accept strong, independent Poland, ruled by a conservative Christian coalition, not willing to accept either the cultural revolution or meddling in her internal affairs. If they can do so, then I am quite sure the issue of reparations will disappear as quickly as it recently appeared.

The ball is on the German side (as usual). :)
Lyzko 42 | 9,502
18 Oct 2022 #363
As usual??
The Germans physically started the whole mess and they were the ones to finish it, cold as it sounds.
pawian 224 | 24,572
18 Oct 2022 #364
Where are the Eastern territories that Poland lost on your map, pawian?

They aren`t in this map coz this thread deals with German Polish issues. Polish Kresy doesn`t matter to Germans coz it was the Polish Soviet issue. Germans had nothing to do with it. Right now they know they lost their Eastern territories for the war they started against Poland and all the crimes they committed. Bringing up lands which Poland lost in the East is useless in Polish German discussion. Simple.

nobody asked either Poles or Germans if they were happy with it.

Exactly. So Germans are right when they don`t care about Polish Kresy. Go and resolve it with the heir of the Soviet Union, namely RuSSia.
OP GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
18 Oct 2022 #365
they lost their Eastern territories for the war they started against Poland

Exactly. The loss of their eastern lands was a direct result of the lost war of nazi aggression, not of some sort of reparations deal between Germany and Poland. Bringing it up is useless in reparations discussion. You lose a war, you lose some land - nothing unusual here. However, if on top of that you organise the greatest genocide in human history against the country's population, murder its ruling class and intelligentsia, raze its capital to the ground and rob it blind, then reparations are definitely in order. Ask the French or the Brits how long it took Germany to pay all the reparations for WW1.

Luckily, as I said before, Germany doesn't have to pay a single dime. All they have to do to make the reparations nightmare disappear is to stop meddling in Poland's internal affairs, stop trying to install their Gauleiter in Warsaw, and start conducting more friendly policies regarding e.g. the EU funds for Poland. If they can find it in their hearts to accept that Poland is an independent country that has every right to order her internal affairs as she sees fit, then there will be no reparations issue to bother our German friends and neighbours. Can they do it? I hope so. :)
pawian 224 | 24,572
18 Oct 2022 #366
You lose a war, you lose some land

In that case you will also support the loss of land by Ukraine. :):):) You are amassing.

stop meddling in Poland's internal affairs, stop trying to install their Gauleiter in Warsaw

Are you crazy??? :):):):)

regarding e.g. the EU funds for Poland.

Don`t be silly. You are talking like a possessed PiS man. :):):)
Lyzko 42 | 9,502
18 Oct 2022 #367
Please explain precisely how Germany can "make reparations" without paying "a single dime".
Or did I misread your post?
pawian 224 | 24,572
18 Oct 2022 #368
you don't see the full German support for opposition

Actually, I don`t. Point to some examples. :):)

not some sort of protectorate puppet-state.

Funny you are talking like naziopolacken now. :):):)
I know why. You have learned attention sicking from other members and now you are trying to bring more life into your own thread by promoting such stupidities.

Ha! I am clever. :):):)

funds cutting/blocking

It is supported not only by Germany but also other states. One must be really blind not to see it. Stop talking like a crazy attention sicker. What has gotten into you?? I noticed you regularly suffer from such periodic bouts of madness. Before, you did in Ukrainian thread, now here. Amassing!
AntV 5 | 750
18 Oct 2022 #369
Modern Germany is the legal heir of the Third Reich

But, when does the grievances end? It seems what you're proposing is perpetual grievances by nearly every existing nation on Earth.

But, if this is the real goal:

Germans can find...stop treating Poland like a vassal and let Poles order their internal affairs as Poles see fit, PiS won't insist on reparations.

Then, three cheers for a clever move. :)
pawian 224 | 24,572
18 Oct 2022 #370
Then, three cheers for a clever move. :)

Not very clever, in fact. PiS gangsters spoil democracy and law in Poland and when the EU reacts negatively, they demand reparations. It is pure idiocy.

Kania, stop supporting idiots coz you will become one of them. :):):):)
AntV 5 | 750
18 Oct 2022 #371
@pawian

From your arguments, it seems like you prefer the EU to tell Poland how to organize its courts etc as long as it runs against PiS.

Do you consider yourself more European or more Polish?
pawian 224 | 24,572
18 Oct 2022 #372
more Polish?

Yes, I am more Polish that is why I love it when the EU is protecting the independence of Polish judiciary against PiS gangsters` dirty machinations which perfectly resemble what communists did to courts after taking power.

It is amassing but your infantile question clearly shows you again don`t know what you are talking about. It is the second thread you are doing it in. Will there be the third and more???? I can`t wait to find out. hahahaha
Paulina 16 | 4,479
18 Oct 2022 #373
the much needed judicial reform in Poland

Are you joking? PiS isn't trying to "reform" judiciary, PiS is trying to take control over judiciary, just like they're trying to take control over anything else. What just got into you?

I noticed you regularly suffer from such periodic bouts of madness. Before, you did in Ukrainian thread, now here. Amassing!

Yeah, it seems it's happening again lol
pawian 224 | 24,572
18 Oct 2022 #374
Calling a fellow poster a name

Such a long tirade coz I called your question infantile??? Amassing how insecure you are. :):):)
Miloslaw 20 | 4,859
18 Oct 2022 #375
Yes, I am more Polish that is why I love it when the EU is protecting the independence of Polish judiciary

Except it's not.

As always the interests of the EU are itself and itself alone.
And that means Germany and France.
The EU will sacrifice ANY EU member on their European altar to save Germany and France.
If you are too naive to see that then you are blind.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,176
19 Oct 2022 #376
from Napoleonic occupation or the French for Caesar's

Wow, just spilit into pre-Emperial Germany 20 odd countries and problems solved, as long as you are the same legal enity that acted all mighty during the war your anegdotal argument do not work here!

Everything is relative in the end.

Really? So you should pay up and be glad that you haven't been extermineted after you totaly lost that war as many tribes in the past were. Why 'realitvity' should work only in your favor?

An unlikely scenario?

It is not realistic. I'm all for economical ties with the EU but not political. Yet when you look at today EU closly you can see that is changing into the opposite. There is that urge to build a political enitity under German boot well shoe but ecnomically there is less and less of an open market.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,176
19 Oct 2022 #377
The EU will sacrifice ANY EU member on their European altar to save Germany and France.

ditto

Seems closer to foreign coercion.

that is excally what it looks like. While pawian has no concept what he is talking about.
gumishu 14 | 6,297
19 Oct 2022 #378
Seems closer to foreign coercion.

I'm on your boat - don't be that proud though cause I'm really mostly nobody ;)
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 12,006
19 Oct 2022 #379
There is that urge to build a political enitity under German boot

Always astounding how a viewpoint influences the opinion.....from inside Germany felt never econoically weaker and politically disunified. I might say that fearful look from the outside (Poland) onto a strong and influential and powerful Germany is not a realistic one....
Kashub1410 6 | 684
19 Oct 2022 #380
@Bratwurst Boy
It's a warranted fear, quite much built on hundreds of years of criticism of the Polish state from Prussian/German, Austrian and Russian critics for not being authoritarian enough. Which naturally leads to the thought of said critics being authoritarian in nature...

Nothing strange about it
gumishu 14 | 6,297
19 Oct 2022 #381
I'm on your boat

anyway - judges in Poland have complete independence ( save for a couple of them who have been suspended) as proven by plenty of verdicts that not only go against the wishes of the ruling party but also against the general sense of justice (for example a verdict on an influential journalist Piotr Najsztub (critical of PiS) has hit an elderly woman on a pedestrian crossing while driving without a valid DL and without current proof that his car was road-worthy - he was acquitted because as the judge said : it is impossible to state how speedy was the elderly woman while entering the crossing)
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,176
19 Oct 2022 #382
might say that fearful look from the outside (Poland)

I'm saying what it looks like. if you focus only on internal issus your viewpoint is somewhat skewed.
gumishu 14 | 6,297
19 Oct 2022 #383
he was acquitted

he was acquitted of causing a road accident not of driving without a valid driving licence - to be precise
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,176
19 Oct 2022 #384
how speedy was the elderly woman

In Poland we have 80 years old women that are faster then light. Secret weapon.

influential journalist Piotr Najsztub

He looks like a degerate and his action proofed that that impression were true.
gumishu 14 | 6,297
19 Oct 2022 #385
Up until '45, present-day Polish cities such as "Wroclaw", "Szczecin" or "Gdansk" bore German names!

they all bore German names that didn't mean a thing in German - they were simply germanised Slavic names

of driving without a valid driving licence

I'm sorry to have misrepresented the incident a bit - Piotr Najsztub had a valid driving licence in the time of the incident (from what I can gather after reading up on the subject) be he didn't have it on himself - back then having a DL with you while driving was compulsory (it isn't anymore thanks to digital technologies implemented by the police)

Piotr Najsztub had a valid driving licence in the time of the incident

ok, I read up some more - it turns out Najsztub actually didn't have a valid driving licence since it was withheld by the police some time earlier becuase of his previous driving offences -

Edit: it turns out he kept on driving without a valid DL for 8 years (since the police has withheld his licence in 2009)
Crow 160 | 9,299
19 Oct 2022 #386
they all bore German names that didn't mean a thing in German - they were simply germanised Slavic names

My grandmother used to say that germanization represent manifestation of demoniac grabbing of human soul.

To put cross on myself.
Miloslaw 20 | 4,859
19 Oct 2022 #387
My grandmother used to say that germanization represent manifestation of demoniac grabbing of human soul

She was as daft as you are!

Now we know where your ignorance comes from!
Crow 160 | 9,299
19 Oct 2022 #388
You support germanization?
Miloslaw 20 | 4,859
19 Oct 2022 #389
Of course not!
But I don't support Russification either!
Crow 160 | 9,299
19 Oct 2022 #390
My grandmother spoke of germanization and connection of it with demonic, I said. To put cross on myself.


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