Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany

@pawian
It was forced from their hands at Potsdam and distributed among the spoils, you should know perfectly well it was a tactic that Stalin did (it was his demand, together with Churchills wish to weaken Germany more permanently). That way Stalin was able to give his loyal stooges a trumph card, arguing that it's the Soviet Union that guarantees Poland's western land and only an alliance with it will make Poland keep it long term.

So it's yet to be seen by Germanys actions if they truly have given up it's eastern lands as compensation or are just smiling kindly to the music being played.

Of course not. Even the former DDR lands are depopulating - who would settle in former Polish lands if Germany ever somehow regained them?

Pragmatism and political realism should rule the behaviour of states, especially the allied ones - yes, Poland and Germany are still allies (at least on paper). The question now is, can Germany accept strong, independent Poland, ruled by a conservative Christian coalition, not willing to accept either the cultural revolution or meddling in her internal affairs. If they can do so, then I am quite sure the issue of reparations will disappear as quickly as it recently appeared.

The ball is on the German side (as usual). :)

As usual??
The Germans physically started the whole mess and they were the ones to finish it, cold as it sounds.

They aren`t in this map coz this thread deals with German Polish issues. Polish Kresy doesn`t matter to Germans coz it was the Polish Soviet issue. Germans had nothing to do with it. Right now they know they lost their Eastern territories for the war they started against Poland and all the crimes they committed. Bringing up lands which Poland lost in the East is useless in Polish German discussion. Simple.


Exactly. So Germans are right when they don`t care about Polish Kresy. Go and resolve it with the heir of the Soviet Union, namely RuSSia.

Exactly. The loss of their eastern lands was a direct result of the lost war of nazi aggression, not of some sort of reparations deal between Germany and Poland. Bringing it up is useless in reparations discussion. You lose a war, you lose some land - nothing unusual here. However, if on top of that you organise the greatest genocide in human history against the country's population, murder its ruling class and intelligentsia, raze its capital to the ground and rob it blind, then reparations are definitely in order. Ask the French or the Brits how long it took Germany to pay all the reparations for WW1.

Luckily, as I said before, Germany doesn't have to pay a single dime. All they have to do to make the reparations nightmare disappear is to stop meddling in Poland's internal affairs, stop trying to install their Gauleiter in Warsaw, and start conducting more friendly policies regarding e.g. the EU funds for Poland. If they can find it in their hearts to accept that Poland is an independent country that has every right to order her internal affairs as she sees fit, then there will be no reparations issue to bother our German friends and neighbours. Can they do it? I hope so. :)

In that case you will also support the loss of land by Ukraine. :):):) You are amassing.


Are you crazy??? :):):):)


Don`t be silly. You are talking like a possessed PiS man. :):):)

Please explain precisely how Germany can "make reparations" without paying "a single dime".
Or did I misread your post?

Actually, I don`t. Point to some examples. :):)


Funny you are talking like naziopolacken now. :):):)
I know why. You have learned attention sicking from other members and now you are trying to bring more life into your own thread by promoting such stupidities.

Ha! I am clever. :):):)


It is supported not only by Germany but also other states. One must be really blind not to see it. Stop talking like a crazy attention sicker. What has gotten into you?? I noticed you regularly suffer from such periodic bouts of madness. Before, you did in Ukrainian thread, now here. Amassing!

But, when does the grievances end? It seems what you're proposing is perpetual grievances by nearly every existing nation on Earth.

But, if this is the real goal:


Then, three cheers for a clever move. :)

Not very clever, in fact. PiS gangsters spoil democracy and law in Poland and when the EU reacts negatively, they demand reparations. It is pure idiocy.

Kania, stop supporting idiots coz you will become one of them. :):):):)

@pawian

From your arguments, it seems like you prefer the EU to tell Poland how to organize its courts etc as long as it runs against PiS.

Do you consider yourself more European or more Polish?

Yes, I am more Polish that is why I love it when the EU is protecting the independence of Polish judiciary against PiS gangsters` dirty machinations which perfectly resemble what communists did to courts after taking power.

It is amassing but your infantile question clearly shows you again don`t know what you are talking about. It is the second thread you are doing it in. Will there be the third and more???? I can`t wait to find out. hahahaha

Are you joking? PiS isn't trying to "reform" judiciary, PiS is trying to take control over judiciary, just like they're trying to take control over anything else. What just got into you?


Yeah, it seems it's happening again lol

Such a long tirade coz I called your question infantile??? Amassing how insecure you are. :):):)

Except it's not.

As always the interests of the EU are itself and itself alone.
And that means Germany and France.
The EU will sacrifice ANY EU member on their European altar to save Germany and France.
If you are too naive to see that then you are blind.

Wow, just spilit into pre-Emperial Germany 20 odd countries and problems solved, as long as you are the same legal enity that acted all mighty during the war your anegdotal argument do not work here!


Really? So you should pay up and be glad that you haven't been extermineted after you totaly lost that war as many tribes in the past were. Why 'realitvity' should work only in your favor?


It is not realistic. I'm all for economical ties with the EU but not political. Yet when you look at today EU closly you can see that is changing into the opposite. There is that urge to build a political enitity under German boot well shoe but ecnomically there is less and less of an open market.

ditto


that is excally what it looks like. While pawian has no concept what he is talking about.

I'm on your boat - don't be that proud though cause I'm really mostly nobody ;)

Always astounding how a viewpoint influences the opinion.....from inside Germany felt never econoically weaker and politically disunified. I might say that fearful look from the outside (Poland) onto a strong and influential and powerful Germany is not a realistic one....

@Bratwurst Boy
It's a warranted fear, quite much built on hundreds of years of criticism of the Polish state from Prussian/German, Austrian and Russian critics for not being authoritarian enough. Which naturally leads to the thought of said critics being authoritarian in nature...

Nothing strange about it

anyway - judges in Poland have complete independence ( save for a couple of them who have been suspended) as proven by plenty of verdicts that not only go against the wishes of the ruling party but also against the general sense of justice (for example a verdict on an influential journalist Piotr Najsztub (critical of PiS) has hit an elderly woman on a pedestrian crossing while driving without a valid DL and without current proof that his car was road-worthy - he was acquitted because as the judge said : it is impossible to state how speedy was the elderly woman while entering the crossing)

I'm saying what it looks like. if you focus only on internal issus your viewpoint is somewhat skewed.

he was acquitted of causing a road accident not of driving without a valid driving licence - to be precise

In Poland we have 80 years old women that are faster then light. Secret weapon.


He looks like a degerate and his action proofed that that impression were true.

they all bore German names that didn't mean a thing in German - they were simply germanised Slavic names


I'm sorry to have misrepresented the incident a bit - Piotr Najsztub had a valid driving licence in the time of the incident (from what I can gather after reading up on the subject) be he didn't have it on himself - back then having a DL with you while driving was compulsory (it isn't anymore thanks to digital technologies implemented by the police)


ok, I read up some more - it turns out Najsztub actually didn't have a valid driving licence since it was withheld by the police some time earlier becuase of his previous driving offences -

Edit: it turns out he kept on driving without a valid DL for 8 years (since the police has withheld his licence in 2009)

My grandmother used to say that germanization represent manifestation of demoniac grabbing of human soul.

To put cross on myself.

She was as daft as you are!

Now we know where your ignorance comes from!

You support germanization?

Of course not!
But I don't support Russification either!

My grandmother spoke of germanization and connection of it with demonic, I said. To put cross on myself.