Nukes and Poland's Neutrality

There is no such thing as Poland and Nukes - just as there is no Poland and ICBMs, Poland and aircraft carriers, or Poland and supersonic fighter jets.

There is Poland and a bunch of morons on drugs who hallucinate about nukes. That I grant you...

More military, more nukes. Sounds a lot like Eisenhower and Krhushchev.

Poland needs a strong independent military. The EU was never meant to be one governing body that was taking over the soveriegn rights of member countries. EU law and direction should never over rule Polands laws or the direction the country wants to take. The idea of nukes in Poland at this time in history is not going to fly. Too many road blocks. If nukes were ever used in Europe, other than tactical ones, the fallout would spread across Europe. Russia doesnt want to use a big nuke unless its in a MAD scenario with the US. Putin didnt use a nuke in Ukraine these three years, the thinking that he might in the future in Europe doesnt match what we have all watched play out in Ukraine. Useless, nonsensical, and would not scare Russia at all.

That's where you're wrong. There are not many things that Russia's afraid of but Poles with nukes is definitely one of them.

One way or another, we are not going to ask for anybody's permission. We are getting nuclear weapons and that's final. We wouldn't have to do it if America was still a credible ally. Unfortunately, they're not.

Russia would simply organize a revolution in Poland - just as the US organized one in Kiev in 2014. Problem solved.

If I were Putin, I would drop those Polish nukes on the Euro countries that helped Poland to get them. Another problem solved...

You're not thinking clearly.

It was easy for the US to organize the revolution in Kiev because millions of Ukrainians wanted to be a part of the West. Where would you find millions of Poles to organize a revolution to be a part of Russkiy Mir?

Fortunaly, we are not. Find another sucker...

By now, it should be clear to all parasites in Europe that no third-world nothing country like Poland or the UK will ever drag the US into a war with Russia.

The single greatest outcome of Trump-Putin talks would be an agreement to never, ever be at war - no matter what...with the red line clearly drawn between the two areas of interest, if not control.

Evidently in the US. Are they Poles, I think not.

Revolutions don't need millions. See the Bolshevik one. Less than 10% - and, viola - we have the USSR!

Well organized 5% is plenty. Not the same thing, but in the US, 0.1% of trans freaks intimidated 99% into silence and acceptance. Those who didn't get it were fired, shunned, and canceled.

Including girls and women - the targeted victims of this perversion!!!

Just an example...

That's 4 million.


That's still 2 million Poles wanting to be a part of Russkiy Mir. Good luck finding them.

It depends on the alternatives.

Those Poles who supported the USSR in 1945 did well. Those who didn't, did not do well.

This is commonly known as not being a suicidal moron. Powstancy in Warsaw in 1944 forgot that lesson and caused 200,000 Poles to die.

The situation in which Poland might find herself in the Russkiy Mir would require a set of specific circumstances:

- the US withdrawing completely from Europe (about 25% chance)
- Ukraine losing the war decisively (about 50%)
- Russia managing to gather enough forces to attempt the conquest of Poland (50%)
- Poland failing to get nuclear weapons on time (80%)
- Poland failing to build sufficient conventional forces to make the invasion unprofitable (5%)
- French nuclear umbrella turning out to be a bluff (99%)
- Europe failing to unite sufficiently (50%)
- European NATO/EU countries not coming to Poland's aid (25%)
- even the closest allies (Scandinavia, Germany, Czechia) not joining the war on Poland's side (15%)
- the EU failing to get an extensive trade deal with China (a very important event, in case of likely American-Chinese trade war, and possibly conventional war) (50%)
- the EU failing to come to some sort of agreement with China after the US withdrawal (25%)
- China allowing Russia to go on a rampage in Europe, disrupting their trade and communication lines (10%)

... the joint probability of all these events taking place is about 0,0000006%, so not very likely (to put it mildly).

None of the above would be a subject if Poland had fewer Russia-hating morons and acted less confrontational than the US.

If Trump can talk and smile to Putin, you could try the same. You may even like it.

Just don't start with:

Hey, Vlad, you Russian POS...we hate Russia for Katyn and every single event from the day Christ was born.

If you need help...I am always available.

Considering Russia's historical attacks on Poland I can't understand why you think that Poles that hate Russians are morons.I just see it as logical.
Please explain your point of view.

For your education on "nuclear weapons" (aka glorified dynamites): rumble.com/v6q5s2w-nuclear-weapons-do-not-exist.html

Poland would pay billions for dynamites they can manufacture on their own starting tomorrow?

It's actually very simple.

There is no upside to telling a neighbor who you believe is a disgusting murderous nut that he is a disgusting murderous nut. Only downside. Act accordingly.

A real life practical example...

If my mother told the Werhmacht officer whom she asked for a travel document to go to Hamburg in late 1944 that she hates Germans for Auschwitz and other war crimes, she would not get that document. Very likely, show would end up at the Gestapo and be shot.

Instead, she thanked him and soon was on the train to Hamburg. While on the train, she smiled and didn't say anything stupid to the border control Germans, either. She was just 25 and had more brains than all the Russia-hating Polish morons here - combined.

Trump came to the same conclusion about Putin. No point in calling him a "tyrant" your stupid press is notorious for.

Press writes whatever they want to write - that's the whole concept of free press.

But you're right, we shouldn't be talking too much about Poland's real plans. Or Polish press should do some maskirovka of their own and report self-contradictory things... no, wait a minute... that's exactly what they're doing all the time. xD

Yes it is, your explanation is perfect.Bow down to the barbarian to survive...... but what if the barbarian is nowhere near as strong as he thinks he is?
Logic says, take him down!.

Go right ahead. London is only 2500 km away from Moscow.

Just don't get us dragged into it...