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11th November Independence Day in Poland


Poloniusz 4 | 691
13 Nov 2020 #31
And they protest on 11th November, reminding what Poland, especially Warsaw, experienced under Nazi occupation:

Well, imagine that. An unrepentant communist associating 11.11 celebrations with the Nazis.

There is actually a term for your deliberate and subversive fallacy: Reductio ad Hitlerum

Shame on you.
pawian 222 | 23,674
13 Nov 2020 #32
he slander all people

No, not all, only fascists like you or that other poster

11.11 celebrations with the Nazis.

who used to insult Polish freedom fighters from AK in a perfect Nazi style.
Ironside 53 | 12,450
13 Nov 2020 #33
No, not all,

sure you do, you just did and you will to do it again because you are such a rat and a brazen liar.
Crow 155 | 9,030
13 Nov 2020 #34
People, people, my tribesman.

You know what I can tell you so I wont tell you. I want you to think.

Just ask yourself who was against independant Poland and why.
Poloniusz 4 | 691
15 Nov 2020 #35
who used to insult Polish freedom fighters from AK in a perfect Nazi style.

Regurgitated lies.

Yawn.

All you have demonstrated is Godwin's law because as the most ultracrepidarian poster on PF you can't defend your arguments and so need to resort to calling everyone a Nazi when you are easily proven to be wrong.

You don't acknowledge that you and your communist generation banned 11.11 celebrations for decades.

Indeed, even today you are still trying to ridicule and defame this truly wonderful, wholesome, hard fought and gloriously won day of national pride in Poland as "fascist."

You keep invoking "Polish freedom fighters from AK" but this is an obvious deception on your part.

You deliberate don't mention that you and your communist generation demonized them in your day.

Your sudden pride in AK is based solely from another thread where dubious geriatric characters claiming to be AK fighters were vocally supporting abortion in Poland.

However, there is nothing in AK's history (past or present) that they endorsed aborting Polish children at the whim of irresponsible mothers.

So, tell us more about your so-called "Polish freedom fighters from AK" apart from their pro-abortion advocacy.

How did these self-regarding feminist hags survive the fight against the communists, and then decades of communist oppression in Poland, other than by surrendering and joining the "new army" commanded by the deserter and Soviet collaborator Zygmunt Berling?
Poloniusz 4 | 691
15 Nov 2020 #37
nobody is going to waste time

Smart people (not you obviously) will spend the time.

My insightful posts are valued for their quality and the consideration that goes into them.

Your vapid posts are only known for quantity like cheap mass produced tat.

Nazi rubbish

Godwin's law strikes again because you can't defend your position with facts and civility.
Spike31 3 | 1,813
28 Nov 2020 #38
Smart people (not you obviously) will spend the time.

@pawian doesn't bother with such nonsense as fact-checking, critical analysis, or any other intricacies of that sort
pawian 222 | 23,674
28 Nov 2020 #39
Smart people will spend the time.

I don`t think so. You are known for practising blatant lies and black propaganda. Thorough all your past and current accounts.

pawian doesn't bother with such nonsense

Yes, exactly. I don`t bother with liars - I just call them liars and never look back. hahaha
delphiandomine 88 | 18,177
28 Nov 2020 #40
For the purposes of full disclosure, perhaps Bieganski can tell us when he last celebrated the 11th November in Poland.
Crow 155 | 9,030
4 Dec 2020 #41
@delphiandomine

Well said. Let brat tell. Even I celebrate 11th November. I burn the candle in Church having in my mind prayer for Poland and Gavrilo.

How we know Poland must be reformed?

Simple. Poland by the Sarmatism would have monument to Gavrilo and would celebrate internal differences protected by house of Poland. But Poland by the Kanopisht pact have other monuments and tend to reduce internal differences.

See?
mafketis 36 | 10,794
4 Dec 2020 #42
Poland by the Sarmatism would have monument to Gavrilo

Poland does not erect monuments to filfthy assassins... like the filthy assassin Princip (spit on his name). Only a country of violent, primitive brutes would idolize such a filthy assassin.
Crow 155 | 9,030
4 Dec 2020 #43
Gavrilo was a student. AH was occupational force in his country that when entering in Bosnia first commited genicide on Serbs. So, as Serbian patriot Gavrilo killed leader of occupational force. No he didin kill inicent like terorists do his target was leader, the Ferdinand.

Gavrilo is hero by all means. Scream of his people. He did more for Poland then the Vatican ever in history of Poland - Vatican relations. Vatican actually have tendency to get rid of Slavic Poland and especialy wanted Serbs of Poland and Europe to extinct. Gavrilo ruined all those plans by his saceafice and Poland now live with hope to regain full independance.
mafketis 36 | 10,794
4 Dec 2020 #44
Gavrilo was a student

He was filth... as are all who worship him.
Crow 155 | 9,030
4 Dec 2020 #45
But, it was him who moved chain reaction of events that led to return of Poland on the map of Europe. England, Vatican, France, USA had other plans. I mean if you expected help from Vatican, from all of them. They did not come. Gavrilo came. Mizkiewick and Czartorisky waited for Gavrilo to come.

Few quotes of Gavrilo. Let he speak for himself >

g

* ``I am not a criminal, for I destroyed a bad man. I thought I was right.``

* ``There is no need to carry me to another prison. My life is already ebbing away. I suggest that you nail me to a cross and burn me alive. My flaming body will be a torch to light my people on their path to freedom.``

* ``I am the son of peasants and I know what is happening in the villages. That is why I wanted to take revenge, and I regret nothing.``

* ``There is no need to carry me to another prison. My life is already ebbing away. I suggest that you nail me to a cross and burn me alive. My flaming body will be a torch to light my people and all Slavs on their path to freedom.``
mafketis 36 | 10,794
4 Dec 2020 #46
moved chain reaction of events that led to return of Poland on the map

Just because something terrible and wrong eventually led to nice results doesn't change the awful status of the original misdeed.

The Atlantic Slave Trade was awful and evil and the fact that I like the blues and cumbia (neither of which would exist without slavery) doesn't change that.
Crow 155 | 9,030
4 Dec 2020 #47
Just because something terrible and wrong eventually led to nice results doesn't change the awful status of the original misdeed.

Well, soon would happen Islamic Caliphate. Go then convince Europeans and Slavs (ie Sarmats) not to do anything hostile. Be Christian in a wired way as you obviously see fit. When we Serbs are hit, we hit back. We then even mourn that we were not first to hit. I think Poles, Kashubs, Lusatians and our other brethren are similar.
pawian 222 | 23,674
11 Nov 2022 #48
Interesting info on the hostile attitude of pre-war far right and nationalist movement to celebrating 11th Nov as Independence Day. Nationalists and rightists rejected the date consequently coz they believed it contributed to creating and maintaining the cult of Marshall Piłsudski whom they hated. Nationalists proposed other dates: eg. 15 August, Miracle at the Vistula River battle anniversary.

In result of political bickering, 11th Nov was officially acknowledged as a national holiday as late as in 1937, 19 years after the real events. Amasing.

Here is a good article which explains their attitude:
onet.pl/informacje/wielka-historia/prawica-nie-chciala-swieta-niepodleglosci-11-listopada-proponowano-inna-date/d7zq4cy,30bc1058

Groups associated with the National Democratic Party consistently boycotted the November celebrations over the years. At the same time, they questioned Piłsudski's decisive role in regaining independence by Poland. The right wing recalled that the favorable international economic situation was of key importance.

(...) The thesis that on November 11 a truce on the Western front and the defeat of Germany should be celebrated has gained popularity. But Piłsudski - which the National Democratic press eagerly recalled - was after all an ally of Germans, not an opponent.

GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
11 Nov 2022 #49
Can't wait for the annual parade in Gdańsk. There will be historical units and vehicles...

1

2

trojmiasto.pl/wiadomosci/Parady-na-Dzien-Niepodleglosci-w-Trojmiescie-n172459.html

... it starts in half an hour! Yes, I know - I'm such a kid. :)
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 11,810
11 Nov 2022 #50
Oh parades are great....who doesn't love them! :)

I just wish Germany hade some too....at least one...
GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
11 Nov 2022 #51
I just wish Germany hade some too

Don't you have them on October 3rd?
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 11,810
11 Nov 2022 #52
Nah...since the end of the GDR we don't even have soviet-style parades anymore...nothing...nada...nilch! :(

We must be the only country on earth without some history-celebrating....
GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
11 Nov 2022 #53
That sucks. :( You should have parades as everyone else. I'm not saying historic WW2 units should take part, but modern forces and from other periods - why not?

*off to watch the parade*
AntV 5 | 585
11 Nov 2022 #54
GK, what historical depiction is the top photo?

Yeah, I love me a good parade. They are dying here in the USia.

BB, a country with such a rich heritage of pageantry doesn't do parades? I tell ya, the West needs a little more self-love.

How was the parade, GK. Take any pics?
Kashub1410 6 | 690
11 Nov 2022 #55
@AntV
Parades in general performed by Germany easily gains a lot of negative feedback. Even when torches were used by soldiers at a commutation due to it being at dark if I remember correctly. The decision makes was definitively not a ww2 history major.

Many states in the west think:
Military parade = Nazis

Pawian would the one closest to that mentality on this forum due to most non-Poles come here to take a break from it or laugh at the western nonsense, which again easily gets pawian with his: nonsense

So yeah, poor situation for Germans with regard to flags and parades. Would have invited a large contingent of Polish, Israeli, British, American and French troops to parade in Berlin annually (also Russian ones when this war ends)
AntV 5 | 585
11 Nov 2022 #56
@Kashub1410

I get it, but that's the kind of stuff that needs to be pushed back against, IMO. German history is a helluvalot more than the 12 years of Nazi rule.

I'm fed up with this western self-loathing and misrepresentation. This stupid neo-marxist woke ideology that since it ain't perfect it's damned is a vile perspective.

Keep to the subject of the thread please
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 11,810
11 Nov 2022 #57
I tell ya, the West needs a little more self-love.

Definitely! *nods*
GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
11 Nov 2022 #58
GK, what historical depiction is the top photo?

Reconstruction group of late 18th century infantry (Gdańsk had quite a sizeable garrison back then and a huge arsenal). Contrary to common (especially in the West) belief, Gdańsk was a Polish city from its foundation through most of its over 1000-year history. So, in a Gdańsk parade you can see medieval Polish knights, Polish troops from horse-and-musket era and, of course, more modern units.

How was the parade, GK. Take any pics?

Watched it online - too cold for my old bones to stand in the streets. I followed my usual 11th November routine: put out the flag early in the morning, read some patriotic literature/magazines and then watch the parade(s) on TV/online. I'm an armchair kind of patriot. :)
AntV 5 | 585
11 Nov 2022 #59
I'm an armchair kind of patriot. :)

:)

Reconstruction group of late 18th century infantry

They look sharp!
pawian 222 | 23,674
11 Nov 2022 #60
read some patriotic literature/magazines

Did you read memories by Piłudski or Dmowski?


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