Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment?

polishmarket.com.pl/document/:19588?lang=PL - NordStream spells ecological disaster in the Baltic

Despite Russian and German claims that this is a bilateral project, in fact, it concerns all European countries, especially those located at the Baltic Sea. There is a serious risk that the chemical weapons deposited in the sea bed (both from WWII and post-war years), organic contamination and heavy metals may be released during construction work with disastrous effects.

Russia needs to build Nord Stream pipeline to win "gas war" - A report by russian dissident journalist Yuliya Latynina.

What "gas war"? Russia has the gas and you not...there is no war!


Yeah....suuuure...

nord-stream.com/en.html?no_cache=1

Haha.. Why do you quote yourself? You make up things and then quote yourself? Cool. Nobody lost anything. Luckily for many European countries, not Germany and Russia - friends and lovers, Nord Stream isn't going to be built. Baltic will stay relatively clean and fish will live there. EU will find some other ways to supply itself with gas, no doubt.

That wasn't my "smart" idea to call it a "gas war" or to state the Ukraine "won" it...


Germany is a world leader in green, environmental friendly politics and technology for decades now! Ukraine is so not!
When you use arguments then please be honest at least and don't pretend you give a shit about the baltic see and her fish!


There wouldn't be no need to search for other ways if the Ukraine would be a reliable partner...
For western Europeans (not only Germans!) it looks like countries like Ukraine are the "choke" on Europe, unreliable disrupting the gas deliveries either because of neglect of the pipelines or bad will due differences with Russia or no money to pay for their own gas hence stealing from the gas bought by western Europe etc.etc.etc, not Russia, sorry...

Oh and Nathan...Germany isn't your enemy!
Just recently the EU agreed to help to renovate the ukrainian pipelines...something the Ukraine should do by herself but can't.
2.5 Bln $ EU money, lot's of it german money and through german support!
Think about it....

Support these words of yours with EU statements, please, be so kind. Find some for me, especially about "choke". And again don't quote yourself in your answer.


If so many environmental specialists say it is dangerous and will cause a catastrophy, what it means is Germany again is "smarter"?
Yes, I care about environment. And I eat fish as well. Polish sledzie and sprats from Lithuania. So don't say I don't give a crap. Just become a bit more humane after what you did in 20th century with your lovers - Russians. Hmm. "green leaders"

And about the money. You do it for your own sake. It is a business and more profitable for you, isn't? Thanks anyway.

Where do I quote myself?

And yes, I love to eat fish too and I dare to say that Germany does much more for clean waters than Ukraine!
Do you even have a green party?


Oh puuuuleeeeeeze!


Then make up your mind...either a second Ribbentrop-Molotov pact or help.
Believe me...we are not happy to pay for Ukrainians duties. And of course we do it "for our own sake". We need functioning pipelines! We need the gas!!!

Ukraine can't be trusted with either the delivery nor the maintaining of the needed infrastructure...
Here you have a reason why we need alternatives first hand!

Help? Are you saying that bank helps you when you buy a house? Maybe, but then you help bank to keep its employees and earn interests.

Ribbentrop-Molotov...haha.. I know you will not forget that. I wouldn't expect less from either side of love di-angle :)
You are not happy? Then build Nord Stream or anyone forces you otherwise? If the Germany didn't trust Ukraine it wouldn't engage in the work. Or the Germany is also a love leader besides green one and sacrifices its interests for the sake of love?

And btw, I thanked for a good transaction - nothing else.

It seems a serious discussion is beyond your means, how disappointing!

*takes coat*

Likewise.

Btw you may easily see both variants in media. Moreover "the Ukraine" is the way how many Ukrainian journalists prefer to call your country obviously implying confederation withing Ukraine.

Show me two names of Ukrainian journalists (I even don't say "many") who use "the" in front of Ukraine. It is not correct. "implying confederation" of what? Russia is a confederation of many republics and nations. Ukraine is a unitarian state.

This may give the answer.

torugg.org/ukraine_or_the_ukraine.html

Some things take time. Remember: the only country at the Pekin Olympics... was Poland.
All the other teams were in Beijing

Thank you, Wroclaw.

I never knew the tiny "the" is such a huge problem in your corner, what a funny people!

Is your entire purpose for being in this forum merely to instigate and and belittle people?
Your clearly anti-Polish, a biggot, and you seem to have a superiority complex.
Look up and behind you, its Mother America looking down on you.
Relax, stop hating, you'll live longer.
Is you by the way?

Read this debate... In moment when Americans will leave this part of europe ... Poland left in imaginative partnership with Germany is going to have problems. Germans are closer in their policies to Russia and it is not possible to be more importnant partner for Germans than Russians are.

What is more it is possible to be closer partner for Russians than Germans are ...

We already were "close partner" to Russia. Have you forgot how does it feel?

Nord Stream assessment seriously underestimates environmental consequences for the Baltic Sea
panda.org/about_our_earth/search_wwf_news/?163682/Nord-Stream-assessment-seriously-underestimates-environmental-consequences-for-the-Baltic-Sea

WWF finds several problems in the Nord Stream EIA report, concerning undersea munitions, seabed interventions, Natura 2000 sites and other protected areas, emissions of nutrients and harmful substances from seabed sediments, route options (noting that alternative land routes through Eastern European countries was not assessed at all!), vaguely and inadequately described mitigation actions, compensation measures and monitoring programs.

Is it true that Poland has all the time part of gas supplies cut off by Russia? Nothing changed from Januar ?

Brussels is making decisions,

And Russians are not that bad

youtube.com/watch?v=A7RD5ONjv8M

Yes, it is true, in a way. Poland don't get part of it which should be supplied by RosUkrEnergo. RosUkrEnergo is out of bussiness. It is not very big problem because it is only part of total supply, Poland get difference from reserves and besides there is an economy slow down. As far as I know currently technical agreement between Poland and Gasprom regarding this part of delivery was reached, and is waiting for political decision.

Good one. :) I didn't see it. Kind of self-irony.

Yeap. Good one :-) Are this military choruses still so popular in Russia ?

No, but they're part of Russian picture for foreigners. I think they earn most of money having tours over the world.

en.rian.ru/world/20090520/155050173.html - Nord Stream would increase nuclear plants in Russia - Greenpeace

What do the German Greens think about building new nuclear power plants in Russia for power supply of Nord Stream? Embracing Nord Stream pipeline and closing down nuclear power plants in Germany, they just transfer nuclear power plants from Germany to Russia. Is'nt that kind of policy a bit of hypocritic?

German greens are insane, I would ignore their complains.

Everything that Russia wants is by definition bad for Poland ;-)
So we, the Poles, should do our worst to thwart and obstruct every single thing that Russia wants.
Its irrelevent what it excatly is, if its good for Russia it will, for sure, be something bad for us. Sooner or later. ;-)

Aha, so gas has no function here, right? ;) ;)

Sure it is. That gas may cost our independence one day... I have no idea how it can be connected, but as harming Poland is Russian main and only concern, it is bound to be part of some evil scheme.

Gas again, huh?
Germans and gas mean trouble :)