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Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment?


Pohlatohlakas - | 19
31 Mar 2009 #181
polishmarket.com.pl/document/:19588?lang=PL - NordStream spells ecological disaster in the Baltic

Despite Russian and German claims that this is a bilateral project, in fact, it concerns all European countries, especially those located at the Baltic Sea. There is a serious risk that the chemical weapons deposited in the sea bed (both from WWII and post-war years), organic contamination and heavy metals may be released during construction work with disastrous effects.

Russia needs to build Nord Stream pipeline to win "gas war" - A report by russian dissident journalist Yuliya Latynina.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
4 Apr 2009 #182
What "gas war"? Russia has the gas and you not...there is no war!

It means that Russia has lost the gas war with Ukraine

Yeah....suuuure...

nord-stream.com/en.html?no_cache=1
Nathan 18 | 1,363
4 Apr 2009 #183
It means that Russia has lost the gas war with Ukraine

Haha.. Why do you quote yourself? You make up things and then quote yourself? Cool. Nobody lost anything. Luckily for many European countries, not Germany and Russia - friends and lovers, Nord Stream isn't going to be built. Baltic will stay relatively clean and fish will live there. EU will find some other ways to supply itself with gas, no doubt.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
4 Apr 2009 #184
Why do you quote yourself?

That wasn't my "smart" idea to call it a "gas war" or to state the Ukraine "won" it...

Baltic will stay relatively clean and fish will live there.

Germany is a world leader in green, environmental friendly politics and technology for decades now! Ukraine is so not!
When you use arguments then please be honest at least and don't pretend you give a shit about the baltic see and her fish!

EU will find some other ways to supply itself with gas, no doubt.

There wouldn't be no need to search for other ways if the Ukraine would be a reliable partner...
For western Europeans (not only Germans!) it looks like countries like Ukraine are the "choke" on Europe, unreliable disrupting the gas deliveries either because of neglect of the pipelines or bad will due differences with Russia or no money to pay for their own gas hence stealing from the gas bought by western Europe etc.etc.etc, not Russia, sorry...

Oh and Nathan...Germany isn't your enemy!
Just recently the EU agreed to help to renovate the ukrainian pipelines...something the Ukraine should do by herself but can't.
2.5 Bln $ EU money, lot's of it german money and through german support!
Think about it....
Nathan 18 | 1,363
4 Apr 2009 #185
Support these words of yours with EU statements, please, be so kind. Find some for me, especially about "choke". And again don't quote yourself in your answer.

Germany is a world leader in green, environmental friendly politics and technology for decades now! Ukraine is so not!

If so many environmental specialists say it is dangerous and will cause a catastrophy, what it means is Germany again is "smarter"?
Yes, I care about environment. And I eat fish as well. Polish sledzie and sprats from Lithuania. So don't say I don't give a crap. Just become a bit more humane after what you did in 20th century with your lovers - Russians. Hmm. "green leaders"

And about the money. You do it for your own sake. It is a business and more profitable for you, isn't? Thanks anyway.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
4 Apr 2009 #186
Where do I quote myself?

And yes, I love to eat fish too and I dare to say that Germany does much more for clean waters than Ukraine!
Do you even have a green party?

Just become a bit more humane after what you did in 20th century with your lovers

Oh puuuuleeeeeeze!

Thanks anyway.

Then make up your mind...either a second Ribbentrop-Molotov pact or help.
Believe me...we are not happy to pay for Ukrainians duties. And of course we do it "for our own sake". We need functioning pipelines! We need the gas!!!

Ukraine can't be trusted with either the delivery nor the maintaining of the needed infrastructure...
Here you have a reason why we need alternatives first hand!
Nathan 18 | 1,363
4 Apr 2009 #187
Then make up your mind...either a second Ribbentrop-Molotov pact or help.
Believe me...we are not happy to pay for Ukrainians duties.
Here you have a reason why we need alternatives first hand!

Help? Are you saying that bank helps you when you buy a house? Maybe, but then you help bank to keep its employees and earn interests.

Ribbentrop-Molotov...haha.. I know you will not forget that. I wouldn't expect less from either side of love di-angle :)
You are not happy? Then build Nord Stream or anyone forces you otherwise? If the Germany didn't trust Ukraine it wouldn't engage in the work. Or the Germany is also a love leader besides green one and sacrifices its interests for the sake of love?

And btw, I thanked for a good transaction - nothing else.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
4 Apr 2009 #188
It seems a serious discussion is beyond your means, how disappointing!

*takes coat*
Sasha 2 | 1,083
4 Apr 2009 #190
It is Ukraine, not the Ukraine, btw.

Btw you may easily see both variants in media. Moreover "the Ukraine" is the way how many Ukrainian journalists prefer to call your country obviously implying confederation withing Ukraine.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
4 Apr 2009 #191
Show me two names of Ukrainian journalists (I even don't say "many") who use "the" in front of Ukraine. It is not correct. "implying confederation" of what? Russia is a confederation of many republics and nations. Ukraine is a unitarian state.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
4 Apr 2009 #192
Btw you may easily see both variants in media

This may give the answer.

torugg.org/ukraine_or_the_ukraine.html

Some things take time. Remember: the only country at the Pekin Olympics... was Poland.
All the other teams were in Beijing
Nathan 18 | 1,363
4 Apr 2009 #193
This may give the answer

Thank you, Wroclaw.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
5 Apr 2009 #194
I never knew the tiny "the" is such a huge problem in your corner, what a funny people!
PolishCowboy 1 | 48
14 Apr 2009 #195
Bratwurst Boy
I never knew the tiny "the" is such a huge problem in your corner, what a funny people! lol

Is your entire purpose for being in this forum merely to instigate and and belittle people?
Your clearly anti-Polish, a biggot, and you seem to have a superiority complex.
Look up and behind you, its Mother America looking down on you.
Relax, stop hating, you'll live longer.
Is you by the way?
Salomon 2 | 436
17 Apr 2009 #196
Read this debate... In moment when Americans will leave this part of europe ... Poland left in imaginative partnership with Germany is going to have problems. Germans are closer in their policies to Russia and it is not possible to be more importnant partner for Germans than Russians are.

What is more it is possible to be closer partner for Russians than Germans are ...
leszek38 - | 31
17 Apr 2009 #197
We already were "close partner" to Russia. Have you forgot how does it feel?
Pohlatohlakas - | 19
7 May 2009 #198
Nord Stream assessment seriously underestimates environmental consequences for the Baltic Sea
panda.org/about_our_earth/search_wwf_news/?163682/Nord-Stream-assessment-seriously-underestimates-environmental-consequences-for-the-Baltic-Sea

WWF finds several problems in the Nord Stream EIA report, concerning undersea munitions, seabed interventions, Natura 2000 sites and other protected areas, emissions of nutrients and harmful substances from seabed sediments, route options (noting that alternative land routes through Eastern European countries was not assessed at all!), vaguely and inadequately described mitigation actions, compensation measures and monitoring programs.
Kim11
19 May 2009 #199
Is it true that Poland has all the time part of gas supplies cut off by Russia? Nothing changed from Januar ?
Ironside 48 | 9,900
19 May 2009 #200
Brussels is making decisions,

And Russians are not that bad

youtube.com/watch?v=A7RD5ONjv8M
jwojcie 2 | 763
20 May 2009 #201
Is it true that Poland has all the time part of gas supplies cut off by Russia? Nothing changed from Januar ?

Yes, it is true, in a way. Poland don't get part of it which should be supplied by RosUkrEnergo. RosUkrEnergo is out of bussiness. It is not very big problem because it is only part of total supply, Poland get difference from reserves and besides there is an economy slow down. As far as I know currently technical agreement between Poland and Gasprom regarding this part of delivery was reached, and is waiting for political decision.
Sasha 2 | 1,083
22 May 2009 #202
And Russians are not that bad

Good one. :) I didn't see it. Kind of self-irony.
jwojcie 2 | 763
22 May 2009 #203
And Russians are not that bad
youtube.com/watch?v=A7RD5ONjv8M

Yeap. Good one :-) Are this military choruses still so popular in Russia ?
Sasha 2 | 1,083
22 May 2009 #204
Are this military choruses still so popular in Russia ?

No, but they're part of Russian picture for foreigners. I think they earn most of money having tours over the world.
Pohlatohlakas - | 19
26 May 2009 #205
en.rian.ru/world/20090520/155050173.html - Nord Stream would increase nuclear plants in Russia - Greenpeace

What do the German Greens think about building new nuclear power plants in Russia for power supply of Nord Stream? Embracing Nord Stream pipeline and closing down nuclear power plants in Germany, they just transfer nuclear power plants from Germany to Russia. Is'nt that kind of policy a bit of hypocritic?
lesser 4 | 1,311
26 May 2009 #206
German greens are insane, I would ignore their complains.
leszek38 - | 31
26 May 2009 #207
Everything that Russia wants is by definition bad for Poland ;-)
So we, the Poles, should do our worst to thwart and obstruct every single thing that Russia wants.
Its irrelevent what it excatly is, if its good for Russia it will, for sure, be something bad for us. Sooner or later. ;-)
Seanus 15 | 19,706
26 May 2009 #208
Aha, so gas has no function here, right? ;) ;)
leszek38 - | 31
26 May 2009 #209
Sure it is. That gas may cost our independence one day... I have no idea how it can be connected, but as harming Poland is Russian main and only concern, it is bound to be part of some evil scheme.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
26 May 2009 #210
Gas again, huh?
Germans and gas mean trouble :)


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