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New European Council's report: "Poland oasis of racism, xenophobia and homophobia" ...


smurf 39 | 1,994    
18 May 2016  #211
The president of the PNA is already swaying people against voting for Hillary on account of this comment alone.

Yea, sure

US never freed Poland, but sold us off to Stalin in Yalta in the first place.

I thought everybody blamed Churchill for that?
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
18 May 2016  #212
I thought everybody blamed Churchill for that?

It was a group effort, Winston certainly did his part....
smurf 39 | 1,994    
18 May 2016  #213
Oh, I know that, just when I speak to Poles about this they usually put the blame on Churchill coz Roosevelt was the walking dead by then.

Then again, maybe they blame Churchill coz they know I don't personally have much time for him
AdrianK9 6 | 370    :-(
18 May 2016  #214
Yea, sure

breitbart.com/london/2016/05/17/clinton-poland-hungary-reject-mass-migration

Wprost, Frank Spula, the president of the Polish American Congress (an umbrella organisation of Polish Americans, and Polish American groups) said that he is seriously considering urging Poles to withdraw their support for Hillary Clinton as a result of Mr. Clinton's insults.

He's actually the president of the Polish National Alliance also.

Don't make ignorant assumptions without doing research.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,799    
18 May 2016  #215
Polish American Congress (an umbrella organisation of Polish Americans, and Polish American groups)

It just so happens that the Polish-American Congress is more or less affiliated to PiS, so this is nothing more than PiS directing their American branch to vote against the candidate that will stand up to them.
AdrianK9 6 | 370    :-(
18 May 2016  #216
You are correct about that - PNA and PAC have stronger ties with PiS than PO. However, Spula who I know personally, did not want to get involved with this race although the Democrats in Chicago with whom he has very close ties were urging him to support Hillary.
Chemikiem 5 | 1,180    
19 May 2016  #217
Doesn't it matter on what ground he was refused an entry?

It does if it's purely on the colour of your skin and what you look like. The club may well be within it's rights to deny a person entry on any grounds, but entry refusal on the grounds of skin colour and wearing of a turban is going to be seen as racist like it or not.

The clubs management after trying to say initially that he was denied entry because it was full, issued a letter saying that:-

"Shakers club would like to emphasize that we never forbid people with different skin colour or religion, entrance to our club. Religion is an individual choice of each person and doesn't interfere to socialize and having fun with other people. This fact is evidenced by lots of photos in the gallery on our facebook profile, showing how many foreigners are spending great time in our club. Simultaneously we condemn all racist behaviour or manifested any signs of such feelings."

Are you not automatically siding with that Shih?

You on the other hand took it all on faith just because he belongs to a swarthy, turban wearing minority in Europe.

There seems to be little doubt that he was the victim of a racist attack. The fact that he was Sikh is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. If he had been Spanish, Greek or Italian, my feelings would be the same, as would they if a Pole had received the same treatment in the UK from a British bouncer. Racism shouldn't be condoned at all as far as I'm concerned.

The club clearly wants to attract foreigners with money ( and hence I know that Shih didn't lie) so clearly he has been poorly trained D-head guarding the door.

I'm sure they do, and I'm also sure that the letter they issued after initially saying the club was full, was damage limitation. The very last thing a club needs is negative publicity and to be seen as racist, as that may well result in them losing those foreign customers with money.

What country has no problems with this or that? I don't see that racism is a problem in Poland

Other countries have far more of a problem with racism, that's not the argument. The point is that although Poland doesn't have those same problems, the figures reported by Polish police show that it is on the increase. Try telling those victims who have been attacked, that racism isn't a problem in Poland.

Why would you concern yourself with a foreign country?

I'm not quite sure how to take your comments here. Are you saying that because I am not Polish or live in the country, I shouldn't have an opinion on things that don't directly concern me?

Iron, I didn't need to dig long and hard at all. I am definitely not saying that racism in Poland is on a par with the UK for example, but the press being what it is, reports these things, so I didn't need to look too far at all.

Somehow I'm skeptical about that.

These were figures supplied by the Polish police and presumably the courts too, as the figures for both those prosecuted and sentenced were given. Why would you be skeptical?

If you mean PO they most likely were trying to suck up to their friends in Europe and that is the only reason those organizations were created.

I can't see the point in setting up organizations if there is no need whatsoever, regardless of who is in power, what would be the point?

all crimes should be treated seriously without creating special categories of a crime in the law unless there is an overriding imperative that compels you to create those special laws.

I am not saying that it needs to be done at this moment in time Iron. But if the situation worsens, then it might well need to be looked at. As far as I am aware, there are only a few Syrian refugees left in Poland from the Christian organisation which arranged their passage. Poland has taken none further. If this situation changes and refugees are admitted and attacks become more frequent, then Poland may not have a choice, especially if it is pressured by Europe. And no, I don't want to go into the rights and wrongs of EU membership, as that's for another thread!

I told you that I don't think much about Polish police professionalism that was an euphemism, I think that they suck big time! New laws wouldn't improve their performance.

Well, it would be a start!!

All the best.
Ironside 47 | 9,187    
20 May 2016  #218
It does if it's purely on the colour of your skin and what you look like.

No it doesn't. I think that is the crux of the matter. You are so used to the fact that having a different color skin should grant a special treatment that you automatically think - racism- when that is not granted.

I dare say that it would be specifically stresses in the article if he was the only person with a different skin coloring. To my mind he was singled out by the bouncers due to his turban.

According to the law he was perfectly within his rights to stop that person from entering premises. However he wasn't nice about it - which is a pretty standard as far as I know amongst bouncers and security people in Poland.

He hasn't been particularly nasty to him just because he was a Shih but he was nasty as matter of course, as he would to any other person he would deem to stop from entering those premises.

The fact that he singled turbaned person out - it doesn't necessary is a nice thing - but it is a very human thing to do, especially with all those issues on the news.

I don't perceive it as a big deal, not nice to that Shih personal that without the doubt but hell he is the one talking, expecting all people to know what Shih is and how his turban differs from Muslims. That is an arrogant assumption. If he persist on wearing that turban everywhere he goes he should understand that there are sometimes consequences to be recon with. Not all the people are mild, tree hugging open minded goodies.

and wearing of a turban is going to be seen as racist like it or not.

Fair enough, if that the way you want to see it. After all it is likely as some people don't like Muslims.

Still, no law was broken.

Racism shouldn't be condoned at all as far as I'm concerned.

Geez, that dude was wearing a turban in a country that haven't seen anything like that for centuries. He was stopped from entering premises due to the whim of some bouncer with inflated ego, not as a matter of the club policy.

That is a snub, but hardly a crime. Even if we agree that was a racism as interpreted today, that is hardly a call for the law to be somehow changed. What would that accomplish?

Try telling those victims who have been attacked, that racism isn't a problem in Poland.

Yes, increase from 0.001 to 0,01. If there are real problems that would warranty a new law I'm sure many people will support it. The time isn't now.

Are you saying that because I am not Polish or live in the country, I shouldn't have an opinion on things that don't directly concern me?

You can of course have and express your opinion but I would think that you would take a view of somebody that is a native of the country over what you think should that be done.

I can't see the point in setting up organizations if there is no need whatsoever, regardless of who is in power, what would be the point?

Appeasing their political friends in a way that would suite their ideological bias.

Well, it would be a start!!

Nah, that would lead to the policy treating each non white with kids gloves while at the same time keep mistreating Poles. They need a fundamental change.
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
7 Mar 2017  #219
Merged:

Homo hook-ups under surveillance; prosecutors crack down on foreign certifictaes



Polska the Times reports that prosecutors around the country have been ordered to to check up on homo liaisons and step up the monitoring of foreign marriage/partnership certificates to make sure no same-sex hook-up slips through. It's good to know that Poland's authorities are vigilant and making sure none of the lgbt slime swirling around the country's borders from sicko neighbouring countries seeps in and poisons the Polish nation. Biedroń who posed with his male hook-up partner on the Newsweek cover had better watch his step.

polskatimes.pl/fakty/kraj/a/prokuratura-w-calym-kraju-tropi-zwiazki-jednoplciowe,11855604
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
7 Mar 2017  #220
prosecutors around the country have been ordered to to check up on homo liaisons

Including those of the leader of PiS?

Biedroń who posed with his male hook-up partner on the Newsweek cover had better watch his step

You know who else persecuted homos, don't you?

In other news, please, I beg you, do us all a favor and go and have some gay sex and stop obsessing about it.
Crow 145 | 7,373    
7 Mar 2017  #221
This isn`t about racism, xenophobia and homophobia. This isn`t about any kind of values. No. Its about dictate. You obey or you disobey. its about it. I seriously think that Poland must stay close to Visegrad group countries and be closer with Serbia. Western Europe don`t wish well to Poland.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
27 Jun 2017  #222
Merged:

Muslim Girls Complain of Polish "Racism" On Holocaust School Trip



According to yahoo news, a group of young Muslim women from Germany were verbally accosted while on a Holocaust study trip to Poland today! As some where speaking Farsi, locals could be heard (in English) making abusive remarks about their wearing traditional garb and speaking in their native language. So far, this is only their side of the story:-)

Curious as to our members reactions.
johnny reb 16 | 3,429    
28 Jun 2017  #223
Well at least they were not raped or physically assaulted like some of the German women have been by their kind of "racism".
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
28 Jun 2017  #224
True. And yet the very fact that people seen as "different", although by any standards clean, circumspect in their behavior, and reasonably polite, are verbally attacked by strangers simply for being overheard speaking a foreign language, surely remains cause for concern, be it in Poland, Ferguson, Mo. or Flushing, Queens:-)
johnny reb 16 | 3,429    
28 Jun 2017  #225
And the European girls that were attacked were clean, circumspect in their behavior, and reasonably polite, just minding their own business speaking in their native tongues surely remains a greater concern because they were not guests in a foreign country where they were unwanted but physically attacked on their own soil in their own back yard.

Being "verbally" attacked does not begin to compare to being "physically" attacked and possibly being exposed to a deadly decease now does it.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
28 Jun 2017  #226
uslim women from Germany were verbally accosted while on a Holocaust study trip to Poland today! As some where speaking Farsi

Iranians going to Auschwitz? Isn't that like Disneyland for them?
Ironside 47 | 9,187    
28 Jun 2017  #227
Curious as to our members reactions.

Obviously 'fake news'.
The police in Poland is investigating 'alleged incident' as related in the press. There has been no report to the police of such a occurrence as related by the author of the article. I whish for Poland to introduce a law that lies published on the news would be punishable by the law.

I personally doubt that something like that really happened. Secondly it wouldn't condone such a behaviour but that my middle class upbringing speaking.
If I thing about it I can say that Muslim shouldn't provoke people with their choice of clothing that goes contrary to the local culture. After all that is what progressives always say if the boot is on the other foot.

locals could be heard (in English) making abusive remarks

Hmm, Auschwitz is full of tourist (summertime)- how would they know they were 'locals' (sic). It could be Israelis visiting that place or even American-Jews. Contrary to what some might think, majority of Poles do not communicate in English but Polish.

Being "verbally" attacked does not begin to compare to being "physically" attacked and possibly being exposed to a deadly decease now does it.@ johnny reb

You nailed it johnny.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
28 Jun 2017  #228
locals could be heard (in English) making abusive remarks

This is a big red flag that the story is invented. Why would Poles speak to each other in English? So that foriegners can 'overhear' them?

although by any standards clean, circumspect in their behavior, and reasonably polite

What evidence do you have that they were circumspect in their behavior and reasonably polite?
Atch 16 | 2,558    
28 Jun 2017  #229
how would they know they were 'locals' (sic). It could be Israelis visiting that place or even American-Jews.

Spot on as Jon would say. Polish people might decide to make their comments in English if they wanted to be sure that the targets of their 'abuse' could understand them but then how would they know that a group of middle easterners speaking Farsi would understand English. They would be far more likely to mutter to each other in Polish about towel heads or whatever.

Also bearing in mind that the students in question were teenage girls, a breed well known for dramatics ........I have plenty of experience in dealing with the tales that younger children (and I'm talking about 11 or 12 year olds, not the babies of the school) carry regarding the perceived wrongs that have been perpetrated against them, most of which on investigation prove to be without foundation. Not saying they lie outright with intent to deceive, they just either tell the part of the story that they consider important, rather than the whole story, or they put a certain slant on their version of events. Teenagers aren't that much different - nor adults for that matter.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
28 Jun 2017  #230
Polish people might decide to make their comments in English if they wanted to be sure that the targets of their 'abuse' could understand them

meh, ime Poles are not afraid of open verbal conflict and would much more likely address the objects of their disaffection directly. If they reported that the locals yelled mean things at them.... that would sound more Polish. Alternately if it were reported that locals were saying mean things about them to other tourists (and didn't care if they were overheard), that would fit. But the wording "locals could be heard (in English) making abusive remarks " doesn't immediately suggest that.
jgrabner 1 | 57    
28 Jun 2017  #231
m.fronda.pl/a/najpierw-zabita-wiewiorka-teraz-opluta-muzulmanka-kolejna-kompromitacja-gw,95295.html

Lublin police says that nothing happend. As if the police during a time when there are boatloads of soccer fans in town would have anything else to do than to follow up complaints about being treated not overly nice. They should save their outrage when they are getting raped - which will happen sooner or later as soon as they are back in Germany anyway.
Sparks11 - | 337    
28 Jun 2017  #232
have to agree with ironside unfortunately. the story " some people werent very nice to some muslims" is the definition of fake news. retarded
Crow 145 | 7,373    
28 Jun 2017  #233
New European Council?

Just look how morons abuse word ``European``. They don`t say New European Union Council. Like that they have some divine right to use term ``Europe``. Like they are Europe. They gave authority to themselves. Then they comment Poles. How dirty, pervert and sick. Abominable.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
28 Jun 2017  #234
@Atch, if so, then at best BROKEN English, if at all:-) Iranians learn, in my experience, better English than most Eastern Europeans I've encountered. Nonetheless, they doubtless couldn't make out much of what the locals were saying, only that it was said in a disrespectful manner.

@Maf, what evidence have you that they weren't? It's all a question of what one wants to believe! Ironside, for instance, automatically gives the standard knee-jerk reaction that negative news concerning Poles must therefore be "fake news"LOL Doubt he even knows what fake news is! So it's real if Jews besmerch gentile Poles, but fake if it's the opposite??!

Makes ya wonder whether some people here are playin' with a full deck.
Sparks11 - | 337    
28 Jun 2017  #235
actually łyżko, it's fake news because essentially nothing happened. People get made fun of everyday everywhere. they werent physically assaulted. it might be sad for them but not newsworthy.
spiritus 67 | 662    
28 Jun 2017  #236
locals could be heard (in English) making abusive remarks about their wearing traditional garb and speaking in their native language.

why would Polish locals be making remarks in English when the girls weren't even English. Something doesn't add up with this story....

Sounds to me like a group of muslim activists.....
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
29 Jun 2017  #237
Spiritus, young European smart-asses frequently trade four-letter insults in English with one another, even if both have English only as a second language, merely to try to be clever!

English across the pond, on the Continent that is, is almost as important a status symbol as a driver's license here in the States. Folks'll even lie about how godd they are:-)

No,no. A highly believable news story.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
29 Jun 2017  #238
No,no. A highly believable news story.

No, no. It's not. I've yet to hear Polish young people trade four letter words in English. Some might be polonized and used in the middle of sentences or as stand alones, but Polish people chosing to speak to each other in English outside the classroom (or workplace if they're forced)..... doesn't happen (no reason it should).
Sparks11 - | 337    
29 Jun 2017  #239
they were probably using english because theyre wanted people who they figured dont understand polish to understand the insults--duh
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
29 Jun 2017  #240
Problem there is, that not even US vulgarity is unconditionally universally understood as such:-)

Only recently, a Hindi-native speaker cursed me out royally for nearly side swiping me as my wife and I were exiting the Interstate. He then flagged me by to let me pass, whereupon I audibly uttered an uncharacteristic F-curse, to which the fellow responded, "Too late to apologize now!"

lol



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