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nothanks - | 667    
4 Jan 2016  #121
On Reddit, Norway was recently voted as the most popular choice "if you could immigrate to any other Euro nation". Their oil fund is a major piece of this.
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
4 Jan 2016  #122
oil fund

In terms of economic potential that may be true, but does Norway have less mutli-culti disintegration and hate crimes against the native majority, fewer hotbeds of Muslim terrorism, sexual perversion, drug trafficking, human trafficking and broken homes? Would you want to move to Norway?
nothanks - | 667    
4 Jan 2016  #123
Yes I would move to Norway, especially over Sweden which seems to have significantly more such issues.
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
5 Jan 2016  #124
I would move to Norway

Bon voyage & szczęśliwej podróży!
Borsukrates 5 | 132    
5 Jan 2016  #126
Do you prefer natives or ethnics to be the victims?

Is Poland a country where someone just has to be persecuted ? Whom do you love more - Mommy or Daddy ? It's the same kind of question.
nothanks - | 667    
5 Jan 2016  #127
Crime happens everywhere. I understand if the choice was Poles or other Europeans. But these are complete foreigners from a different culture. I would prefer my children to be spoiled than sacrifice for outsiders like that.
Levi 13 | 451    
6 Jan 2016  #128
Is Poland a country where someone just has to be persecuted ?

Until now, no. But when you bring people from countries and backgrounds where some people (Kaffir, or infidels, like here where i live) NEED to be persecuted, than Poland will become this same society.
Viva polska    
8 Apr 2016  #129
Merged: Issues in Poland today: Black race, Islamic faith and Gypsy tribe!

Hallo forum,
This questions goes to my polish nationals, but others can freely give their thoughts base on; if they were the Polish parents or family!

Let say your daughter or son wishes to marry any of the above human race, faith and tribe mentioned. What will be your first preference and last?

Hey, I can't wait to learn from you 😜😉
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
9 Apr 2016  #130
That is not difficult - all so called liberal western nation learned by hearth the right answer and the fact they actually are as racist, xenophobic and prejudiced as any given nation is but a detail.

Here an expected winning answer - a Black Muslim Roma (nice trap here Gypsy ha!) to top it all - a gay.
Thank you, thank you .....
InPolska 11 | 1,823    
8 May 2016  #131
Merged: Government in Poland closes Council against racial discrimination - effective on June 1, 2016

lepetitjournal.com/varsovie/accueil/actualite/246258-controverse-dissolution-du-conseil-de-lutte-contre-la-discrimination-raciale

sorry, I have it only in French but basically: Council set up in 2011 by previous government in order to deal with (reported) cases of discrimation based upon national and racial origins will cease all activities as of June 1, 2016.

All democratic countries have a lot of bodies to deal and to fight discriminations of ALL sorts but apparently Poland is once more "different".

Thank you, Moderators, to remind us of EU's report ;)
nothanks - | 667    
8 May 2016  #132
Merged: Issues in Poland today: Black race, Islamic faith and Gypsy tribe!

Black always the worst. Religion is a choice that can change
Chemikiem 5 | 1,172    
8 May 2016  #133
sorry, I have it only in French

Here is a report of it in English:-

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/251284,Polish-PM-abolishes-antidiscrimination-council

Couldn't have come at a worst time seeing as though there has been a rise in hate speech and violence towards foreigners according to Poland's human rights ombudsman.
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,181    
8 May 2016  #134
That was some nonsense "body" set-up by Tusk in 2013 that gathered... twice since then. Totally unnecessary, there are at least 20 other institutions to deal with such things.

Couldn't have come at a worst time

Polonophobes and other psychopaths will cream that "Poland is fascist" even If Kaczyński housed a dozen refugees in his own home.
Chemikiem 5 | 1,172    
8 May 2016  #135
there are at least 20 other institutions to deal with such things.

According to that article the antidiscrimination council "is currently the only body providing coordination of governmental institutions, local government bodies and other entities in preventing and combating discrimination and intolerance."

Sounds to me like without it the left hand wouldn't know what the right hand's doing so to speak.
Doesn't sound like some 'nonsense body' to me.
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,181    
8 May 2016  #136
Quick. Set up a council against murder because without it, police can't do anything...

providing coordination of governmental institutions

So what have they "coordinated" so far ? Most likely nothing.

Doesn't sound like some 'nonsense body' to me.

It's not even an institution but some annual gathering of dudes from several ministries, police etc. The whole thing pretty much didn't exist. I guess Tusk set it up to use it against then opposition, accuse them of "hate speech" and such but later dropped the whole idea hence it existed only on paper.
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
8 May 2016  #137
According to that article

Really? Poland is the problem here? In Germany people are being killed because of racism and xenophobia, every day at least hostel for refugees goes up in flames . In France Jews are hiding their Jewish identity to avoid aggression. Yet for the EU Council Poland where not a one person was killed due to xenophobia or racism is the problem?

Somebody has mental problems or bigotry in their DNA, or it could be all that simple as a lie made up to force Poland to walk the line and because they believe that they can get away with it Scot Free.
Chemikiem 5 | 1,172    
8 May 2016  #138
It's not even an institution but some annual gathering of dudes from several ministries, police etc.

Part of it's job was to also monitor discrimination in the country and to analyze where it stems from.
I would say that's pretty important given that violent crime against foreigners has soared in recent years.
Polish prosecutors launched probes into 1,500 cases of alleged discrimination and racially motivated hate crime last year.
In 2009 there were 60 cases.
So the answer to increasing hate crime in the country is to scrap the anti-discrimination council. Doesn't make much sense to me.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,553    
8 May 2016  #139
Polish prosecutors launched probes into 1,500 cases of alleged discrimination and racially motivated hate crime last year.

Don't worry, the number will drop to 0 next year unless it's directed towards good Catholic Poles.
AdrianK9 6 | 370    :-(
9 May 2016  #140
I'll take that statement as a badge of honor. It means Poland hasn't yet fallen to multi kulitism. Let's just hope it stays this way.
Chemikiem 5 | 1,172    
9 May 2016  #141
Poland is the problem here

No, Poland isn't having the problems that Germany has, but racism and xenophobia is on the increase within the country and it's pretty obvious that it is most likely occurring because of the migrant crisis. Poland's human rights ombudsman says that racial beatings are occurring on average every one to two weeks.

All I am pointing out is that it doesn't seem to be the most sensible idea to scrap this council at a time when racially motivated crime is on the increase.
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
9 May 2016  #142
because of the migrant crisis

Also the terrorist attacks round the globe. And one can argue till one is blue in the face (using a WW2-era example) that "not all Germans are Nazis" and "not all Russians love Stalin", but what one personally observes or hears about is much stronger and more convicing than such arguments.
mafketis 16 | 6,008    
9 May 2016  #143
it's pretty obvious that it is most likely occurring because of the migrant crisis

Well Frau Merkel's rash decision seems to have had a bunch of unintended consequences. Among them of course is a massive rollback in womens' de facto freedom in countries that receive many 'refugees' but also it is making the real (as opposed to idealized and/or imaginary) effects of large scale muslim immigration to Europe a topic of discussion.

Most crucially, some people are losing their fear of being called names for looking at these issues with a critical eye. Many people here (on both sides of the issue) resort to childish name calling and/or irrelevant anecdotes instead of data (which is what I'm interested in). I'm interested in what works and not some candy-in-the-sky wishful hoping about what could work if people just could be freed of that pesky human nature or if the clock could be turned back so we could redo history.

Reports condemning Poland as an oasis of thoughtcrime does nothing to improve the real problems that exist (and will ultimately simply strengthen the current mostly loathesome government).
InPolska 11 | 1,823    
9 May 2016  #144
Also first of all, need to distinguish those arrived in W. Europe 2 or 3 generations ago and the currently refugees/migrants or what have you! When we are from W. Europe, it is not hard to realize that people in PF who have NO experience with W. Europe mix up everything and the contrary and if we dare telling them they are wrong (because we just happen to personally know), we are simply lynched....

These are 2 different things! Those arrived in W. Europe 2 or 3 generations ago and for their greatest part completely intergrated although they do face a lot of racism and xenophobia mainly in the job market (= hence higher unemployment among them) but said racism and xenophobia are fought by officials in all W. European countries. Of course, this is not perfect but NOWHERE it is perfect. What country is .. perfect? Give me a name! ;) When something is not perfect, we need to look at it and try to resolve problem and that what we try to do in the West.

The current migrant/refugee situation is completely different and (in my opinion) now in such a stage that there is no solution in sight. On top of that, EU got ripped off by Turkey (from the very beginning I knew it would happen) and I personally believe that Merkel, Junker, Tustk and all those socalled commissioners appointed by their friends should be removed from office and sent to court for high treason.

To summarize, on PF, people who don't know anything about anything, who have no personal experience with topic , don't understand anything and of course mix everything and as a result there is no way we can even try to discuss. I have personally interacted with Arabs/Muslims (all Arabs are not muslim ;)) on a daily life for some 40 years. Who on PF has a better or similar experience???? "lol"

I wish people could distinguish the 2 "groups" since situations are different!
Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
9 May 2016  #145
mostly loathesome

Loathesome only to those dreaming of a return of the PO scamster era. The KODists have reportedly created a new version of the Polish religious anthem "Boże coś Polskę". It ends with the words: "Ojczyznę dojną racz nam wrócić, Panie!"
mafketis 16 | 6,008    
9 May 2016  #146
Loathesome only to those dreaming of a return of the PO scamster era.

Loathesome to those who want to live in a society under the rule of law. I imagine it's quite comfy to those who long for the security of the PRL and rule by party leader.
Ironside 47 | 9,109    
9 May 2016  #147
but racism and xenophobia is on the increase within the country

Sure, the blood was up due to illegal immigrants tramping across Europe disregarding borders, something for which an European would be arrested, charged or even shot! Also news of all those assaults and rapes in Colonia didn't help to calm the waters and due to the campaign of the EU freaks and Merkel that wanted to send all those guest she invited to her country to other countries - forcibly if needs to be.

So, yeas that was very much on the news and a drunk petty criminal with a buddy bloodied a nose of some Syrian (Christian) who lived in Poland for years, aasutlant get served what they deserved for their criminal behavior and that is end of story.

Maybe Some countries need a special laws and specific bodies and task forces created only to tackle problem of racist assaults and xenophobic crime, kudos to them if they need countless numbers of the manpower devoted to that issue.

Must have a very aggressive, unruly and xenophobic as well as extremely racist societies if they need that.
In Poland the police and courts need only to step up and implement existing laws, no need for a special measures, no one should get away with assaulting people for whatever reason bar self-defense.

The EU Council should be sued for a slander!

On the other hand maybe they don't like considerable freedom of speech and people were openly saying things that totalitarian mindsets in Brussels don't approve. If that is the case that it must be said that European Council is calling for banning freedom of speech. Talking about oasis of totalitarism.
nothanks - | 667    
9 May 2016  #148
Polish prosecutor started investigation about false testimony of portuguese students that claimed they were victims of racist attack
Honest Pole    
9 May 2016  #149
Interesting, what interest portuguese students could have to lie about such things?
gregy741 3 | 1,114    
9 May 2016  #150
hes black and found by investigators to be lying about all incident.he was playing racist card.he made up all this s..
he got argument with some soldier who cursed him,but no racist remarks,so negro made up story about racist attack,which had no place



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