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Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
14 Jun 2015  #31

No plans for any of that

You meant to say: No plans for any of that YET. That's how the homo-hypocrites approached marriage and adoptions. They solemnly swore they wanted no part of it, only civil parnterships. And then some cleverly worded sob-brother stuff about how they compassioantely needed to know about the condition of a hospitlaised "partner". The purpose of the duplicity and go-slow was to lull the public into a false sense of security that they're not taking over.

jon357 69 | 13,499    
14 Jun 2015  #32

homo-hypocrite

Nonsense

lull the public into a false sense of security that they're not taking over.

Double nonsense.
Harry 81 | 13,362    
14 Jun 2015  #33

They solemnly swore they wanted no part of it, only civil parnterships.

All homosexuals speak with one voice, do they? I'd have thought that in that group, as with every group of people on the planet, one would find a range of views. Although I suppose that pretty much every homosexual man and woman will share at least the same basic opinion about you.
Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
14 Jun 2015  #34

speak with one voice

So what is your attitude to those that expressed or implied such a view. You claim to hate liars. Unless gays are an exception in your book.
Harry 81 | 13,362    
14 Jun 2015  #35

So what is your attitude to those that expressed or implied such a view.

Show me a quote from a person who claims to speak for all homosexuals.
Levi 13 | 451    
14 Jun 2015  #36

"Hmm, you're complaining about non-European immigrants in Poland, but aren't you yourself a non-European who wants to be an immigrant in Poland?"

Are you so ILLITERATE that you cannot read the word ILLEGAL?

I have nothing against legal immigrants , i am one of them. And because i am a LEGAL immigrant, that contributes with my skills and investments to improve the countries where i live, i am against ILLEGAL immigration.

As the great senator from immigant family (and, God helps, future president of USA) Marco Rubio said, it is a disrespect to us, LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, when a illegal invades a country commit crimes and disrespect th country that so dearly hosted us.

So yes Harry. I am a (LEGAL) immigrant against (ILLEGAL) immigration, because i am a law abiding citizen that loves order and law.
Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
14 Jun 2015  #37

all homosexuals.

Nobody can speak for all PO voters, Girl Gudies, footie fans or Lutherans. My question was: whatt do you think of the liars (including that little creep Biedroń) that pledged one thing and did something else. A lie, deception, dishonesty, hypocrisy?
OP Gosc123456    
14 Jun 2015  #38

@Polonius: what lies?
Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
14 Jun 2015  #39

what lies

Not long ago Poland's homo activists were saying they're not interested in same-sex marriage or adoptions, only civil partnerships. Now their parade marchers are brandishing banners that demand "Gay marriage with adoption rights". If that isn't a lie, what is?
OP Gosc123456    
14 Jun 2015  #40

@Polonius: I happen to know several gay activists in Poland and I can tell you that they have been talking about same sex marriage for years.
Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
14 Jun 2015  #41

for years

Maybe amongst themselves, but they concealed it from the public. Only in recent years did the pro-gay marriage and adoption placards and banners appear. Any idea why that might be?
jon357 69 | 13,499    
14 Jun 2015  #42

Not exactly on topic. It just comes across as one poster focusing on their obsessions. Is Poland an oasis of racism or not?
Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
15 Jun 2015  #43

Not exactly on topic.

Whenever your stuck for an answer you play the off-topic card.
No, Poland is not an oasis of racism. It is an oasis of normality, family values, religious devotion, tradition and stabiltiy in a world battered by the off-the-wall agendas of various sickies, whackos and loonies. Sure, the slime. grime and crud is gradually seaping over, but it'll take years for Poland to degenerate to the Western sh*t-hole level. And one comforting thing is that the homo marriage nonsense is not likely to happen in Poland any time soon. Whoever wins the election, the constitutional majority required to allow male "marriage" is highly unlkely.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
15 Jun 2015  #44

Yes, Pol3, it was off-topic. And however much you'd like to see a return to Ciemnogrod, in today's liberal, democratic and progressive Poland it ain't going to happen.
Polsyr 6 | 777    
15 Jun 2015  #45

There will be no turning back for Poland. Racists and homophobes will be phased out and there is nothing a couple of ignorant hater can do to change that.
Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
15 Jun 2015  #46

progressive Poland

Poland won't be progressive until it introduces incest marriage rights. A movement is already afoot in Germany. Why must Poland always just follow. It should lead and set the pace with such cutting-edge innovations.

Brothers and sisters in love say they work, pay taxes so why are they discriminated?
Polsyr 6 | 777    
15 Jun 2015  #47

Because siblings are more likely to have sick children than non-related parents. If you want to pay for their medical care with your tax dollars then knock yourself out.
Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
15 Jun 2015  #48

more likely to have sick children

If that's the case, then how do you explain high-level pressure for it in Germany -- a wise and intelligent nation?

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11119062/Incest-a-fundamental-right-German-committee-says.html

Please don't stray from the topic
Polsyr 6 | 777    
15 Jun 2015  #49

telegraph

That explains that.
Levi 13 | 451    
15 Jun 2015  #50

"Is Poland an oasis of racism or not?"

No. It is not.

I am a latino with portuguese appearance.

I never felt discriminated in Poland. Actually in my entire life i visited around 22 countries in all continents except africa.

Those that i felt more discriminated were Portugal (!!! But i can understabd since there are so many brazilians there) and middle east, because i am christian.

In Poland i was ever welcome, because i am a decent law abiding citizen.
Dougpol1 25 | 1,783    
15 Jun 2015  #51

i am a decent law abiding citizen.

And refugees are de facto not law abiding? Admitedly they are not citizens, but what would you do with them? Shoot them like your police shoot street urchins? Or have you washed your hands of Brazil?

It is always immigrants who have a holier than thou attitude, along with a feeling of entitlement, and **** everybody else who is less fortunate than themselves.

Disgusting.

And mods, this is on topic, because I think that Poland should be doing more to accept its' full quota of these refugees.
Atch 14 | 2,268    
15 Jun 2015  #52

A movement is already afoot in Germany.

Now Polonius I read the article about that which you linked me to a few days ago, and it proved to be load of hot air that will come to nothing. Anyway, France abolished its incest laws in the 1700s and how many married/co-habiting brothers and sisters do you see there??

Again.....everyone back on topic
Harry 81 | 13,362    
15 Jun 2015  #53

I am a latino with portuguese appearance.

So you're a non-white would-be immigrant; I'd have thought that you would be very pleased that racism and xenophobia in Poland are falling every year.

I never felt discriminated in Poland.

I can assure you that as a non-white male accompanied by a Polish woman and with an attitude that you are entitled to be in Poland, a couple of decades ago you would have more than just felt discriminated against. In fact, in quite a few towns you'd feel very sore after being given a sound kicking by the local knuckle-draggers.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
15 Jun 2015  #54

And mods, this is on topic, because I think that Poland should be doing more to accept its' full quota of these refugees.

Same here. We've received billions from the EU and as part of that need to share in the responsibilities. Plus of course common decency and humanitarian compassion.

I can assure you that as a non-white male accompanied by a Polish woman and with an attitude that you are entitled to be in Poland, a couple of decades ago you would have more than just felt discriminated against. In fact, in quite a few towns you'd feel very sore after being given a sound kicking by the local knuckle-draggers.

Even now, out in Poland B and much of Western Europe too, if he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Harry 81 | 13,362    
15 Jun 2015  #55

Given the vast amount of ignorance displayed by racist morons in Poland B, and, in fairness to them, the most common ethnic minorities in those parts, a Latino of 'Portuguese appearance' could more than possibly be mistaken for what we're describe as a Roma gentlemen and they'd call gypo scum. Anybody who was so unfortunate and had both a female Polish companion and an attitude of entitlement and superiority would be rather likely to learn a swift and painful lesson about how much further Poland has to go with regard to dealing with the problems of racism and xenophobia here.
Levi 13 | 451    
15 Jun 2015  #56

"attitude of entitlement and superiority"

So disagree with ILLEGAL immigration is an attitude of superiority??????? Hahaha dont come with those fallacious political correctness bs. No one with a brain with fall to that.

Harry, again, be against illegal immigration is not racism, it never was and never will be.

Even because illegal immigrant is not a race. A blue eyed blonde bosnian can be as much illegal as a black somalian. They have different races, buth both share the same crime: Brake the immigration laws.

So yes, i am against illegal immigration, and no, i am not a racist.
Harry 81 | 13,362    
15 Jun 2015  #57

So disagree with ILLEGAL immigration is an attitude of superiority???????

No it isn't. However, thinking that you are better than other would-be immigrants because you are lucky enough to have a bit of money and thus can consider legal immigration most certainly is displaying an attitude of superiority. If you think that the racist which still cause Poland problems are going to be in any way impressed by you having a bit of money, you are in for a surprise, quite probably a rude painful surprise which will feature a few Polish racists relieving you of whatever money and valuable you happen to have on you.
Levi 13 | 451    
15 Jun 2015  #58

" However, thinking that you are better than other would-be immigrants "

If the fact that i obey the law instead of commit a crime breaking immigration rules doesnt make me better,...

Yes, a law abiding citizen IS better than a criminal. This kind of relativism of "the victim is a criminal and the criminal is a victim of the system" is what is destroying the western world. A criminal is a criminal.

"If you think that the racist which still cause Poland problems"

As you already know, i lived in a very poor city in Poland and i never faced any demonstration of racism. As i said, the only place in the world that i saw real racism is here at the middle east, since i dont have the same religion of the people here.
OP Gosc123456    
15 Jun 2015  #59

@Levi: since you have money and most probably like to show it, Poles love that as most of them are fascinated by "blingbling"! But try to imagine people with no money and who are (your choice) non white, non catholic (i.e. Jewish or Muslim), non hetero and there we'll see racism, xenophobia, homophobia... Racism mostly hits people when they are poor. In Western Europe, there is no xenophobia, no racism against rich Arabs and rich Russians since money talks.

Since you are racist and homophobic, it is normal that you don't see racism and homophobia ;).
Harry 81 | 13,362    
15 Jun 2015  #60

If the fact that i obey the law instead of commit a crime breaking immigration rules doesnt make me better,

Which Polish law would an immigrant who is sent to Poland by the EU be breaking? None, so you are no better than them.
That said, I very much doubt that the fact that a non-white immigrant is not breaking any Polish law will make any difference to xenophobic racist Poles; they will still want the non-white immigrant to get out of their country.

As you already know, i lived in a very poor city in Poland and i never faced any demonstration of racism.

Utter rubbish! You lived in a city which ranks as the 32nd richest area in Poland, there are far poorer parts of Poland. Also, that city is among the most tolerant in Poland, due in large part to the number of decades that foreign students were sent to it. Try visiting a place such as Radom and acting like a big-shot superior rich foreigner, you'll soon find how tolerant some of the locals there are of people they might consider to look like Roma and to be in need of a lesson.




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