Should Poland leave the EU institution?

I don't think so.
The UK's success out of the EU will motivate the more powerful countries like Germany, France and NL to think more about leaving.
And The EU clearly does not work for Italy, which may be the next to leave.
The EU cannot survive if more of the larger contributing nations that support the poorer ones leave.
And if the poorer ones no longer see a benefit of being part of the union, they will leave too.
Nah, The EU is a dead concept... it is just a question of time before it dies an inglorious death.
An outdated concept borne out of WW2 that is well past it's sell by date and now stinks.

That dude who publicly were talking about never were sued. Was it Piskorski? Also there is an indirect proof as there are some money from German foundations and their money come directly from German gov.. look up yourselfers work for it, I won't do the work for you just to be dismissed easily by a dipsh..t with meaningless blah ...

I have been doing all that quoting and looking for the evidence that can be found ten years ago.
Do you think you can make me wade my time like that? Think again.
Amway what is the difference you said you are a German butler, you declared to be one. That is all need here.


Need to refute your BS claims , even if I don't care about them, wasting time with a mudslinging baboon


Only in reality baboon that is something you have a big problem with ...wake up already

I would rather believe that the founder nations of the EU (Germany, France and NL) will always band together to form a Union, the arguments to build a strong alliance are as convincing now as they had been back then!

...and nobody likes the UK that much! ;)

So which German party had been financed and founded by the US federal fund?
How many newspapers, TV stations and so fourth are owned by USA based corporations?
Too much or too little influence on few selected German issues by the world power is a question of taste but is not really that intrusive ....

Germany meddling in Poland is ...
A big difference, nicht wahr?

Well....if you want to go far back....EVERYTHING!

At least in the US zone of occupation and with the money of the Marshall fund....they installed the law making...and supervised practically everything....no article could be published without their nod.....to find a job every German had to show a "Persil Schein", some proof that they hadn't been active Nazis....they rebuild West-Germany after their sense...these foundations are still strong and working!

Most Germans are still grateful for it....I can imagine that many Poles aren't angry about the EU help either?

Or the surveys and polls would look differently....but make no mistake...some Germans too wish to be "free" of USian influence....sadly the same people wish a closer relationship with Putin's Russia!

Well, their direct interventions were neglible, but they certainly helped funding the democratic reeducation of the German people and provided an additional safety net (that was thankfully never needed). The EU is trying to do the same for Poland but sadly for the democracy in Poland, their options to interfere are much more limited.

....we haven't occupied them! :)

Let set a staring line 40 or 30 years ago and look for that meddling.
1, TV stations owned by US corporation in Germany?
2. A major political party founded and financed by the US gov.
don't talk about end of the WWII when they conquered you and you signed unconditional surrender?
So when Poland signed such a paper with Germany/ Was there an affidavit when Poland joined the EU, or was there something in the Nice treaty to the effect?


I'm not against working with ?Germany given the rules are clear and the line is there ...


Fantastic (or as you Germans used to say - super) so where is that equivalent of the Marshall Plan for Poland, so far Poland got some chump change for opening it market to your products..

Come on fork it out you misers - some BB or Tacitus Plan for Poland to support its creative and manufacturing power ... potential is there..

All we got are interventions on behest of German corporations, parties that you founded and financed and some elusive BS about LGBT...

Which TV station do you have in mind?

I just read that TVN is owned by USians...(Fakty, TVN24...) and is seen as anti-PiS....
I know of "Passauer Neue Presse" which owns "Polska Press" and publishes about 20 regional papers with about 6 mio readers....
"Fakt" is the polish "Bild" or the english "Sun" and is owned by a german-swiss group....(who is often very anti-german:)....
German Springer owns "Newsweek Polska" who is also seen as anti-PiS....
Online portal onet.pl is owned to 75% by Springer, the rest belongs to some USian owner...it is seen as much more popular than polish owned wp.pl...

But that's about it....the big weekly's like "Wprost" are in polish hand, so are the other big TV stations (TVP1, TVP2 and PolSat)

You should one thing always keep in mind Iron, Poland is a market economy like Germany and only those can survive who sell enough. In the media case only those who find enough readers and viewers.

So it is logically that even if a TV station or a newspaper is foreign owned, they have to be successful in the polish market, gain polish subscriber and polish advertiser. So they have to tailor their product to polish expectations, wants and needs. So I'm not so sure why it is so important for you who owns what.

It doesn't really play a big role...and the majority of the publications and stations in Poland are still and always will be polish!

A foreign owned station (or a newspaper) in Germany.


well, why don't you all have an orgy or go f each other.


yawn, yes you are all lies and you dumping blame on me it is the mother of lies as Indians would say. or would that be Persians anyway Sumerian goddess

No, darling, we don`t accept indirect proofs.


But it is impossible to look for info that doesn`t exist. hahaha That is why you prefer to wriggle out of showing us proofs, Ironlie.


Are you crazy? I will never wake up to your fascist views. Forget it.


No, you did nothing what you are claiming now. You are piling new lies upon old ones. Amazing. Those fascists are really cheeky.

Which party do you mean?

It is called EU cohesion fund ;)


Indeed. Springer and Co. want (and need) to make money.

very funny... but cheap !#


so which foreign corporation makes money in Germany by owing a TV station or a newspaper ?

Ever heard of the german RTL?

It is founded by and belonges to the RTL group, their HQ is in Luxembourg...it had been founded by Marcel and Francois Anen...with no German in sight.

They own today 68 TV stations and 31 Radio stations in France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and other european countries....

Does that count?

But I don't think that is the same....many Germans bemoan the quality of the program but not the ownership...even as RTL has now a second HQ in Cologne and even a german CEO! :)

Darling, stop comparing Germany and Poland now. Poland needed foreign capital after the collapse of communism which had ruined the country. Are you really so infantile to believe that Santa Clause should have sponsored us, taking nothing in return for his endeavours???

It is a real blessing that some media are owned by foreign capital coz they are able to provide Polish recipients with truthful coverage. That`s where it hurts you - you wish only rightist media stayed in Poland. Forget it.

get lost, I don't want to talk to German butler? you only know how to shine their shoes ..get to it!


I will look into it. Is that it?

If you want to be nitpicking the whole media market of East Germany has been bought out by West Germany!
Does that count as "foreign owned"?

But if I'm honest most Ossis prefered West-Fernsehen and West-Radio in GDR times too...

(Besides the staff of the "Neues Deutschland" there hadn't been many complaints either)

But yeah...that's it....West-Germany had more than 70 years time to build their own media market...see?

All in West-Germany!

Friede Springer, Axel Springer Verlag, Berlin;
Bauer Family, Bauer Media, Hamburg;
Alexander, Marc and Oliver Samwer, Rocket Internet, Berlin;
Ralph Dommermuth, United Internet, Montabaur;
Hubert Burda Family, Hubert Burda Media, Munich;
Jahr Gruner Family, Hamburg;
Liz Mohn Family, Bertelsmann, Gutersloh;
Johannes Mohn Family, Bertelsmann, Gutersloh;
Stefan von Holtzbrinck and Monika Schoeller, Georg von Holtzbrinck-Gruppe, Stuttgart;
Dieter Schaub, Media Union, Ludwigshafen.

Of course not. I will keep nagging you with inconvenient requests for proofs of your constant lies. :):)


Coz you care so much, darling. And you feel pressed. hahahaha

Nah that is a different kettle of fish


Are you sucking up to your masters rights now? You need to get what for!

Proofs, Ironlie!! Don`t change the subject. hahaha

shoe shine now

Proofs, darling.

And true. And expensive, since Poland received already far more money than any European country via the Marahall Plan. In fact, given that the Marshall Plan consisted of approx. 150bn€ in todays money, then Poland is close to getting what all of Western Europe received.


Tradition television is dying anyway. More and more people are watching Netflix, HBO et al.

....that is true too!

If you count Twitter, FB, Instagram, Youtube etc. too then we are really owned by these USians!!!

That is true and that will prove.to be.the undoing of The EU.
Trust me.It is on it's death ride.....

Opponents have said it every year since the very beginning of the EU. :)::)

Why?

The UK haven't been an integral part of the EU....they were no founder....they only wanted in as they have seen how successful the EU had become....they have always demanded special treatments and privileges (and gotten!)...

I would rather bet you that we see Scotland and maybe Wales asking for membership in the EU before the EU gets abolished, heh:)

*ducks and runs*

No.They only wanted in at a time.when The UK economy was.failing.


Good luck with that.Neither of those countries would meet EU membership requirements.In fact,without English support they.will cease.to.exist.

Death of Eu or major reform to stop it's imperialist anti democratic tendencies will be one and the same.. Once Le Penn wins this or next time around and Mama Merkel ***** off, it's all over for the eurokrauts and their polish bootlickers. :)