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"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)


Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #541
....and as Schulz pulled a Serena Gauland only smiled, stayed totally quiet and said: I don't talk at that niveau!

Not at all like someone just being "destroyed"....
Tacitus 1 | 711    
13 Sep 2018  #542
I don't talk at that niveau!

Which would probably be the biggest joke of the day. Gauland has set new post-war lows for the Reichstag and German politics and he continues to surpass himself.

It was nice to see him exposed. The SPD might have fallen grace, but in battling right-wing extremism, they might find back tl their roots.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #543
It was nice to see him exposed.

How was he exposed? Gauland was just himself...it was the task of the other politicians to be better than that...oh how they failed....Between the Pöbeleien of Kahrs or Schulz, where was the vaunted "countenance" left?

The AfD then marched out, heads held high...again the "martyrs", the ones not screaming back!

If going down to their level, acting like them means "exposing", dann "Gute Nacht".

The SPD might have fallen grace, but in battling right-wing extremism, they might find back tl their roots.

What do you think about "Aufstehen"? Do they have a chance with their "national sozialismus"? I would have thought the AfD would go after that topic first....it would be a huge vote winner..they could steal from the SPD even more...but they could also end up like the Pirates, I dunno...
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
13 Sep 2018  #544
Gauland and others have doubtless been emboldened by the Swedish right-wing "victory" margin, as well what's going on now in Hungary.
Tacitus 1 | 711    
13 Sep 2018  #545
If going down to their level, acting like them means "exposing", dann "Gute Nacht".

Which thankfully has not happened. Schulze might not have been calm about it, but he did not lower himself to their level. What he actually said had substance and served as a powerful that the modus operandi of the AfD has been seen before in the same building.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #546
PS... a good Fleischhauer again today in Spiegel....atta boy! :)
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,793    :-(
13 Sep 2018  #547
Can someone provide link for schulz's speech after gauland?

Although I'm willing to bet that it will be heavy on the virtue signaling and calling AfD racist, islamaphobic, etc etc, light on the facts and figures presented showing an increase in violent crimes and billions wasted, little to no addressing of the problems plaguing Germany that AfD mentions - uncontrolled migration, terrorism, rapes, no go zones, less and less tax payers, huge unemployment among migrants, etc. or acknowledgement that the police tell women not to jog alone and best way to avoid getting stabbed by a migrant is to limit close contact, I'll still check it out...
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #548
Here it is:

youtube.com/watch?v=jV-WiNJvb30

That standing ovation were so embarassing to me too...I waited for the rythmic clapping known from the Volkskammer. Sometimes they just go overboard, it's not a pretty picture and so useless in their fight against the AfD...do they really believe they just did their cause a favour with that???
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,793    :-(
13 Sep 2018  #549
Ahh there's no subtitles though = /

I hate Schulz, not because he's a liberal but because he's an Zionist who says **** like Germany only exists to serve Israel.
The exact quote is : "For me, the new Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people"

No wonder the choice between Merkel and Schulz was so bad - one believes Germany only exists to serve third world migrants esp Muslims, the other believes Germany exists to only serve Israel and Jews and until AfD came along no one believed Germany should exist to serve Germans first and foremost.... Very sad...

It really breaks my heart to see what Germany has become lately and how much it has changed since like 15 years ago when I first visited
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #550
The exact quote is : "For me, the new Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people"

Really? That is news to me...do you have a link?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,793    :-(
13 Sep 2018  #551
2 Jewish sources - he said this when speaking to a dude from Israel's Knesset which to my understanding is like their parliament:

jpost.com/International/Merkel-vs-Schulz-Israel-and-Middle-East-take-back-stage-at-German-debate-504184

haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-thank-you-to-martin-schulz-1.5322471
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #552
Did you read that?

"Yes, there are, for example, young Palestinian men who have been brought up, who have been educated, with a deep-rooted antisemitism."

Schulz argued that they need to understand that Germany supports Israel.

That is actually a real problem and his position on that is to be supported.

Remember that bruhaha about that young syrian refugee a few months back who attacked someone with a Kippa with his belt in broad daylight in Berlin? We can't allow that...

That is the original quote:



They shouldn't be allowed to live here when they want to bring their wars with them...I agree!
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
13 Sep 2018  #553
To espouse the contention that Germany today exists for the sole purpose of keeping the State of Israel alive is not only the rankest form of inaccuracy, it is

also anti-Semitic!

Certainly Germany doesn't wish to repeat her heinous record of ignoring human rights of the people from whom her ancestors mercilessly robbed them.
On the other hand, the Federal Republic continues to walk a nasty tightrope between kowtowing to special interest groups within her society who have been

marginalized and looking after their own nationals at home.

Merkel, indeed no German Chancellor, should have to placate right-wing, anti-democratic demagoguery in order to serve the best interests of their people.
In pandering to the worst elements of populism, Germany cheapens both herself as well as her place in today's global market.
Tacitus 1 | 711    
13 Sep 2018  #554
This is nothing new though. Safeguarding Israel's existence has been part of the FRG's reason of state dince its' inception and rightly so.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
13 Sep 2018  #555
I agree in part.

Yet, Merkel as usual is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #556
If she would do something at least...it would be a good start. I think she is already bored to death by her job...

....imagine this gov coalition breaks down over Maaßen....will she return for a new election?
Tacitus 1 | 711    
13 Sep 2018  #557
I am more concerned over the fate of the Union than about Merkel. Many people in the CDU are tired of the escapades of the CSU, and if the Bavarians really do sink the coalition to back someone like Maaßen, we might indeed see a split between CDU and CSU.
Miloslaw 8 | 741    
13 Sep 2018  #558
The European Union is in it's early death throes....if it is to survive at all,it needs radical change....they keep pushing for more integration when that is not what people want.They just want economic union,not political union.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
13 Sep 2018  #559
I am more concerned over the fate of the Union than about Merkel.

I'm not! I gave up on the CDU...they made their bed with supporting Merkels move to the left in turn for power now let them sink...

That split would be a logical consequence though...with a CSU then being downgraded to a regional party, with a CDU following the SPD down in the numbers, with the AfD waiting to fill that vacuum on the right, becoming a strong regional party in the East...that would be the end of the political stability of after-war Germany.

*grantels*

PS: Of course the CSU could find a new sister party in the AfD...I wonder how Germany will look like in 10 years from now on...
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,793    :-(
13 Sep 2018  #560
they keep pushing for more integration when that is not what people want.They just want economic union,not political union

Yup..and the ep elections will show that esp for eastern states
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
14 Sep 2018  #561
I wonder IF Germany will look ten years from now:-)
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,078    
14 Sep 2018  #563
The European Union is in it's early death throes...

It's its.
Sincerely,
Prof. Obronczka.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
14 Sep 2018  #564
I simply mean that at the rate things are going presently, the "face" (Antlitz) of the Federal Republic will have changed so drastically, it be nearly

unrecognizable to those belonging to our generations, that's all.

Sorry if I caused offense!
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
14 Sep 2018  #565
No, you didn't cause offense....

Germany changed so much during the centuries, last time 1989...another change, maybe a regionalizaton inside the EU, could be on the table for the future.

Change doesn't have to be bad.
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
14 Sep 2018  #566
On the other hand, if any nation which is basically homogeneous (gleichartig) is forced without its consent to alter the essential cultural make-up with which it has grown accustomed for millenia, this has got to have certain harsh reprecussions (Gegenreaktionen) on the populace.

The Jews of Germany had become ever so assimilated over a thousand or more years within the same land area as to become all but indistinguishable from their gentile fellow citizens. Throughout the whole of the 19th century, many even sported Christmas trees in their homes, spoke German like any other non-Jewish German, and basically (unlike in Poland!!) shed their ghetto past, joining the military and earning the Iron Cross....

Such fervent desire to incorporate the host country into their everyday life has sadly not been a corner stone of the most recent non-European immigrants to Germany

and this is what has been causing problems, hence prompting my remark from before:-)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
14 Sep 2018  #567
...okay now you have me puzzled again! :)

What are you meaning by that? Another drastically change of Germany because of another holocaust and a total destruction and occupation as consequence of another lost war?
Lyzko 18 | 5,086    
14 Sep 2018  #568
Not in the way you mean it, but compare the outward look of the German culture in which you grew up!

We here in the US have gotten quite used to all colors and backgrounds in schools, at least in the major urban areas, especially of the East Coast aka Philly, Boston,

New York, Baltimore and so forth.

Not so in Germany, save for the past two decades or so.

When a graduate exchange student in the Hannover area during the late '80s, my university classroom was exclusively white and German-born! I was the only

foreigner, and Hannover ain't a small town either.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,128    
14 Sep 2018  #569
How the future develops tomorrow will be decided by the youth, not by us. And they are already growing up in a different world than us...for them the change won't be so catastrophic or dramatic or threatening.
TheWizard - | 322    
14 Sep 2018  #570
Tell me that people still don't think those guys are coming to assimilate?


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