Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland

That's not what I am saying.

I do argue for a return to a "dictatorship" of experts.

I think America was better when there were only three main channels (ABC, CBS, NBC) - and everyone listened to the same news every evening. Not like it is now, where everybody can go and read only the news which is pleasant to their ears and confirms their biases. I don't believe in any of this "well that's your opinion" and "that's just your truth" bullshit.

I do believe in science, and I think it is what accounts for the tremendous leap in life expectancy and living standards that we've experienced over the past two centuries.

I don't think, as Lenin said, that "any cook could run a country". I'm a big champion of the Deep State, if any such thing exists, as I'm sure they're the only ones keeping the machine together and in one piece.

@mafketis
And thankfully Warsaw does not rule the country like they would like to do. Its almost 2 percent difference, a slim margin, but enough to take note of. PiS would have lost if not for 11 candidates on the fvcking ballot. Thats just absolutely retarded.

That and the fact that hundreds of thousands of leftists decided to vote for Nawrocki rather than Trzaskowski: about 20% of 1st round Senyszyn voters, 16% of Zandberg, 14% of Hołownia and 10% of Biejat! This tipped the scales to Nawrocki's side (he only won by 370 thousand votes). Go figure - leftists voting for Nawrocki like proverbial chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.

Also, it should have been Sikorski from the start, not Trzaskowski who already lost one elections to Duda and is a president of Warsaw (a capital city is rarely liked by people in other regions), but Tusk wanted someone more easily influenced, so in the end he got what he deserved. It's a shame and embarassment for Poland, so if Tusk has a bit of honour, he should now resign as PM.

Which rats will be the first to flee the sinking ship PSL or Lewica?

It definitely needs to be done before 2027 for their survival.

And who would become PM? Or do you want early elections? I don't see that ending well....

Kosiniak-Kamysz or, even better, Sikorski. Tusk is finished. He f*cked up big time with the elections and the consequences for Poland will be disastrous.

He didn't handle it well.

Nevertheless, his government won't collapse any time soon

that people hate this government, if not for dirty campaigning and lies and huge support from abroad, Tusk's boy wouldn't have so many people voting for him..
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I have advice for you: hide your head in the sand. WTF? What is embarrassing? Tusk, its old lowlife incompetent creature is not embarrassing? I told you not to vote if you want to contribute to Poland's well-being.
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Not for the first time. Cretins lol!

Apparently, either one or both of Nawrocki's parents were Solidarity supporters during the 1980's, yes?
Wonder how smoothly the transition from the Duda Admin. will function.

Incredibly irrelevant in modern Poland... no one really thinks or cares about Solidarity anymore.... sad but true.


Did Kaczyński resign as prezes of PiS after Oct 2023?

Perhaps, Maf. Yet if such were the case, as you claim, why then the popularity of that mid-'00's Polish
film "Kret"? Clearly folks out there are curious about that era.

A, that film was released in 2011 and I've probably heard of it but I don't know how popular it was....

I'm afraid Bobko may be right here. I see this evolving in Poland and it's depressing...


I wonder what will be the end of this though...


Yes, Poland is literally split in half these days.


This is the weirdest sh1t ever... o_O

The first time he lost also with very small margin and PiS was on the winning streak back then.
I think they picked Trzaskowski as a "likeable candidate", since so far Poles did tend to choose "likeable" people for presidents (that ended with Nawrocki, it seems). And of course he is a known face thanks to being the mayor of the capital of the country (and Warsaw is doing well as a city). His English is very good, he's presentable, behaves normal/well.
Trzaskowski's drawbacks, imho, are that he lacks charisma, and, at least to me - he looks tired/depressed all the time. He seems a bit "ciapowaty".
Sikorski definitely isn't "ciapowaty", but had his drawbacks too as a presidential candidate for the coalition. He made some blunders (thanking the US for blowing up Nord Stream), so maybe they feared he's going to be unpredictable i znowu coś palnie. Maybe they also thought that he's going to be too right-wing/hawkish for the more liberal side of the coalition, I don't know. I think it's easy to judge now after the fact. Maybe he would be a better candidate to deal with Nawrocki, but we don't really know if it would be enough to win. I personally have no idea.


Don't be silly. Tusk isn't finished. You sound as if Nawrocki won by a landslide. He didn't. It was very close. Of course, it's disappointing that Trzaskowski lost, but I doubt it's just about who was the candidate for the president or who is the prime minister. It's also (or maybe mainly) about policies, etc. The coalition should draw conclusions from what happened, do some research about why certain groups voted the way they did (young people, farmers, for example) and prepare for parliamentary elections with that in mind.
As for Kosiniak-Kamysz - he has literally zero charisma and is even more "ciapowaty" than Trzaskowski and PSL isn't exactly respected much by people in Poland in general, from what I've noticed, so I don't see how or why he would become the prime minister o_O


I see you're too narrow-minded to comprehend that there are people in Poland that have different views, and so, no, Tusk doesn't need "dirty campaigning and lies and huge support from abroad" to get people voting for him.

From what I've read - Sikorski made a reservation for him and Trzaskowski at that Mentzen pub, so it looks like that meeting with Mentzen took place thanks to Sikorski. He clearly is smart and is showing initiative.

He's also viewed as the best minister in the current government according to a survey from the end of December 2024: 🤔

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Great to see the Conservatives be in control in Poland in such difficult times.
The people have spoken.
Maybe the Wokies will now see that they are a minority and wake up to common sense.

@johnny reb, the Conservatives are not in control in Poland. The Polish government is a coalition of liberal, centrist and left-wing parties. The government rules in Poland. The Polish president can pretty much only block bills. So it's a "stalemate".


I'm not sure what you mean by "Wokies". Anty-PiS people are definitely not a minority in Poland. Nawrocki won by a very small margin - those are the official Polish presidential election results:

Nawrocki: 50.89%
Trzaskowski: 49.11%

You are right, I don't know that much about Polish politics.
Just accept the fact that you lost and don't be a sore loser like those with T.D.S. in the U.S.A.

@johnny reb, we may not like it, but we did accept the election results - unlike PiS we don't claim that elections were rigged/falsified whenever our party loses any elections :)))

Btw, I see only one plus side of Nawrocki winning - he's going to be the one who will have to kiss Trump's ass lol 🤮 May God help us survive Trump's and Nawrocki's rule... ;/

We felt the same way when obama was in charge for twelve years.
Say what you want but Trump helped Poland become the most powerful military in Europe.
I personally am damn proud of how far Poland has come so quickly and stand their ground.

@johnny reb, it wasn't Trump who helped "Poland become the most powerful military in Europe". It was Polish governments' decisions and Polish society's support for those decisions. And those were mainly a result of RuSSia's invasion of Ukraine.


Me too, but Trump didn't have anything to do with Poland's success as a country o_O

Awe come on, he sure greased the wheels.
Remember back in the Camp Trump era.
He helped.

@johnny reb, how did Trump help? What did he do any differently in terms of helping the Polish military than all the previous American presidents did? Poland has had good relations with the US since the fall of communism and we've been buying American military equipment for years. So what has changed under Trump, according to you? (It's a genuine question, because maybe there's something I don't know about.)

Yes, Mr Tusk, thank you - you are a fighter, I applaud that! :))):

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Never give up! ❤️🇵🇱👍💪

I'm not sure if the "vote of confidence" is a good idea though? What's that for in the current situation? It is an elected government, they have the right to rule - I don't think anyone contests that. 🤨

You really support tusk breaking the constitution and ignoring the presidential veto? Or are you just mindlessly cheerleading,?

Fort Trump comes to mind with over 10,000 U.S. troops rotating in and out of Poland to beef up Poland's defense.
Trump has given Poland Abram tanks, F-35 fighter jets, Apache and Black Hawk helicopters, HIMAR rocket launchers and Patriot missile systems up the yang yang.
He has send people to train Polish soldiers the same way American soldiers are trained.
Trump has shared our state of the art equipment and training methods.
There is not another country in the world that gets this kind of pampering from the U.S.A. thanks to Teflon Trump.

It only proves that Tusk can gain some success and treaties sign with U.S and claiming it as personal win internally. Nawrocki just would need to be lead to it.

But we will see

That Fort Trump doesn't exist though:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Trump


I am not aware of Trump "giving" anything to Poland (for free). As I wrote Poland has been buying American military equipment for years (including under Biden). So what changed exactly?


This has been happening for years.


Besides Israel? lol (and probably some others)

Eh? What on Earth are you talking about?