Karol Nawrocki - the New President of Poland

Quite nice. A strange sound. Sounds very familiar and close to the heart - on the one hand - but then some unorthodox/unrussian element plays and causes some dissonance.

What is this? To what rubric does it belong? Is this from the East of Poland?

Bingo! The conversation here meandered to talk about Poland B and influences left by Russia.
Here are some unconclusive example that says - maybe.

So, when you wrote about that "overblown bag of lies and disinformation from Paulina" and "lack of reliable sources, and critical thinking" and "krzykliwa sroka" - it was all "tongue-in-cheek" and you didn't mean it? In reality you think I'm an honest, trustworthy, critically thinking cicha myszka who only posts information from reliable sources? :D


I have grown enough to recognise nutjobs.


No, you don't know.


Then again - tell that to PiS.


Sorry, but no - I couldn't care less about your opinions about me or anyone and anything else :)

Again, your linear thinking, your Achilles heel, try thinking outside the box. Being friendly with decent Russian, Bobko, does not mean love for Putin or Russia.

Dokładnie tak!

Yeltsin understood he could not protect the wider oligarchate, but he extracted a promise not to touch the immediate family. That is, daughter Tatyana and son-in-law Valentin, granddaughter Polina and her husband the oligarch Oleg Deripaska, and then the family "treasurer" Roman Abramovich.

Even as Putin was destroying Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky, Berezovsky, and others - he never touched "The Family".

Despite "The Family" representing everything Putin hated and what he built his public image in opposition to... he still showed up to the funeral. He has still not closed the Yeltsin Presidential Center, even though all it does is pour dirt on Putin.

In some sense, Putin is a very, very decent man. He knows how to keep his word and respect arrangements.

Thanks to him, Yeltsin did not have to witness his family go to jail or be scattered abroad in the last years of his life. He died as the first president of Russia, with all the honors and dignity possible.

Of course Putin burned to the ground his legacy, and is building a totally different Russia than Yeltsin envisioned - but Yeltsin never asked him to make any promises about that. In fact, it was Yeltsin who hand picked him. He must have saw in him what Russia needed.

Firstly, Bobko isn't a "decent RuSSian" o_O Secondly, Torq is a Russophile and that means he does love RuSSia.

Thirdly, so, Ptak, what do you think of your buddy Novichok's love for both RuSSia and Putin?? :)

Oh yeah, if you consider , supper woke. If liberal sources are reliable, then sure, be wrong but proud

I will say one thing on this topic: if a real war (not a sad circus like the one in Ukraine) plagues the world in the future, and the fate of countries, nations and the world hangs on a very thin thread once again... it would be criminal, unforgivable and tragic if Slavic nations fought against one another. There is not that many (and fewer every year) of us remaining in this world, let's not slaughter our dear Mother Slavia with our own dirty and sinful hands. Maybe we still have enough of what Paulina calls "moral spine" not to let that happen? Here's hoping.


An honourable deed, no doubt.

The secret of man's heart and soul is a veritable mystery indeed.


Guilty as charged. Serce nie sługa. I love Poland more though.

You know you are nasty. Representing 'smiling Poland' well.
That smile with all that toxic hate is creepy.

You really are a bad judge of character, Paulina.

It's interesting to observe Putin when he discusses Yeltsin.

He instinctively straightens up, and adopts a different tone of voice. For a moment - like a really quick glimpse - you can see Putin the employee again, talking about his boss.

"Boris Nikolayevich always used to say..."; "In cases like these, Boris Nikolayevich would never hesitate...", "We all know Boris Nikolayevich was a special person, but just how special - very few know...".

Just very curious, the special piety Putin still has for the memory of a person that many people think nearly killed Russia.

Every possible politician in Russia has said some bad thing about Yeltsin - except for Putin.

Maybe he thinks that if he doesn't say anything bad about Yeltsin, we won't say anything bad about him?

In Poland we see Yeltsin differently than most Russian politicians. It is a figure we think of with a lot of sympathy.

Most simple people believe that Wałęsa drank him into agreeing to withdraw Soviet troops from Poland and giving permission for Poland to join NATO. Not true, of course, but a lovely Slavic legend.

@Ironside, I'm just being honest. You are a radical, hateful fanatic and I don't care about opinions of such people.


This coming from you is hilarious :D


Unlike you at least I'm not calling for hanging of politicians I don't agree with.


No, you are. A RuSSian who supports the invasion of Ukraine, Putin, RuSSian imperialism, etc. isn't a "decent RuSSian". He's not only the opposite of "decent", but as result of his views and attitudes - he's an enemy of Poland.

Rich like everyone of us in title to some deviation in some small areas, No one is perfect, 99% perfection is good enough for me. Besides I don't think for a minute,
All of his writing is a confirmation of his real feelings; after all, Rich is a staunch contrarian, loving to pull your leg

A decent enemy is perhaps better than a false friend.

... and if we were in place of Russians, would we be that much different?

Not that it matters, but I think he was dancing, drinking pajac

Not really, it is the world skewed dangerously to the left.
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I'm very nice, if you talk BS, call you on that. Not many people bother to do that.
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Grow up. The point is not that they do not agree with me. The point is that nobody forced them to become politicians to take top positions and make decisions that are detrimental to the interests of Poland and the Polish nation. Hanging is just their due, the consequences of their actions.
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He is not. The thing is, Poland and Russia's interests are not aligned. So, the conflict is inevitable to a large extent. There is nothing that would make Russia change its policies.

Notice that before "we see Yeltsin differently" I wrote "in Poland".

But thank you for giving us an example of how Yeltsin is perceived in Grand Rapids, USA.

There are no "decent" Putinist imperialists. Their "decency" ends where the "interest of RuSSia" starts. I wouldn't be surprised if your "Bobi" gave you a "Katyń treatment" if he deemed it "necessary" for "the good" of Mother RuSSia.


I don't care, we're not in their place and let us cultivate our moral spines so it would stay that way.


If you really think that then you're in some serious denial.

Indeed, I would bet Putin knows what a impossible task was given to Yeltsin. Therefore also has a lot of respect for him, Soviet Union was extremely weak at that point. Yet nobody invaded Russia, there were parties, vodka etc. But no invasion

A statesmen in Russia achieving that during his reign certainly deserves respect in my opinion, no matter his flavour.

Well, it's only fair - my decency ends where the interest of Poland starts.


A man has to do what a man has to do. That's life.

Women - how little they understand.


Ah, yes. Moral superiority: the ultimate Polish superpower.

What are these interests?

As I understand them:

Russian interests:

1) Securing its "near abroad" as either allied to Russia or militarily neutral.

2) Protect the rights of Russian speakers, whether it applies to education, media, or government services.

3) Keep land and sea corridors open for Russian trade, whether it's a pipeline, a train, or a ship.

4) Prevent new states from acquiring nuclear weapons

5) Prevent encroachment of radical Islamism into our Muslim population

6) Ensure that space does not become an exclusively American or Chinese domain

Polish Interests:

1) Strengthening the economy and military to such a point, that Poland becomes considered a member of the core club of EU decision makers - alongside Italy, France, and Germany.

2) Ensure that regional leadership, vis-a-vis the Baltics, Slovakia, Czechia, Hungary - belongs to Poland. Any German or Russian influence there is undesirable.

3) Ensuring open access to the Baltic Sea

4) Defending the interests of the Polish diaspora, wherever they happen to live

5) Preventing the accession of Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine into the EU.

6) Ensuring that America views Poland as its primary ally in the region, to prevent a repeat of 1939.

No, someone who calls for hanging of politicians with different views is a dangerous psychopath. The fact that you're writing about it so openly and casually shows that you're not right in the head.


The fact that you don't like their decisions doesn't mean they're detrimental to the interests of Poland and the Polish nation.


You're a facist then.


That makes Bobko an "inevitable" enemy then.

I say, why cultivate? Just use it, take over Moscow, and end the war. Paulina is nasty and keeps all that moral superiority for herself.

Why take over? Maybe they want to buy some? Or exchange for nukes?

LOL!

I would certainly not Katyn you, Kania! Haha!

I would shoot myself before shooting an unarmed and helpless person - regardless of whether in uniform or not.

Every people has beasts. Beasts get beast work. The beasts at Katyn were especially famous beasts. The main executioner, drank himself to death shortly after - unable to live with his conscience. That's Vasily Blokhin.

In Ukraine there are some beasts too, but there are many decent men. For example, recently I saw a video where a Russian officer slams the butt of a rifle into his underlings nose, after witnessing him humiliating a Ukrainian POW. With a broken face, and feeling a bit humiliated himself - the soldier immediately corrected his behavior.

Other points had a fairly good summary, 5th however is wrong. It's in Poland's interest to have all 3 within the EU framework. But to avoid a loss of prestige and influence, the accession needs to be done as best as possible and delay it if risk of failure is too high.

Germany, Benelux had U.K and Nordics invited, France had the general south.

Germany and Poland would be seen as winning that competition if Belarus, Ukraine and Russia would join the E.U and succeeding more within it's framework then Spain, Greece or U.K.

So when Poland blocks or delay's EU enlargement east, it's more about: «Not yet, not good enough, or has to wait a bit longer» and not»Never»

If the 3 said states succeed more within EU then other EU states, especially right after a war. Then Poland will reap enormous prestige from it.

Ah, what a "Christian" thing to say.


Yeah, we have a problem with "understanding" war crimes. 🤮

I'm sure there's a lot of "real patriots" in hell.


It can be sometimes!

Oh ja ja !
It is in this case because nobody gives a flying F.
Except thick as a brick you to carry on and on about who gives a shlt.
Your meltdowns are of a little girl stomping her feet, screaming and crying until she gets her way.
Ptak puts his clever bait out there to get you going and you swallow it whole by coming back swinging and swearing at him while we all sit back and laugh at you.
That's a meltdown on your part Butter Cup.
Why is it so hard for you to catch on ?


I already have but read it again and let it sink into your hard head this time.
He is just "busting your chops", Paulina. (Do you know what that means ?)

https://polishforums.com/news/poland-karol-nawrocki-new-president-88922/8/#msg2031360

You would if your страна demanded it from you, and I wouldn't hold it against you for a moment. I also know that later you would shoot yourself like Blokhin, and it would make me very sad in Heaven.

*high five*


Yes, having their faces broken by their superior usually serves to rectify most soldiers' behaviour; a useful tip for every army officer to keep in mind. As for there being more decent men than beasts on both sides in Ukraine - I have no doubt at all about it.


Ah, the classic Pope card! But you played it too soon, Paulina. Save if for when Poland really needs a miracle.