The Iran war and Poland

@amiga500
It should have been done the day Reagan took office. So yes, I think Americans would support it, if the messaging were right. Pictures of those hostages in the news? Left wing media would get all over that. The democrats would be the problem though, Ukraine is their poster child.

How many Trump voters wanted the US to start another military conflict in the Middle East for Israel?

Getting involved in Iran would threaten disintegration not only of Trump's administration but of the entire republican party.


The US made a commitment to Ukraine and has so far failed to live up to it....

....Trump caution on Iran strike linked to doubts over 'bunker buster' bomb, officials say

Exclusive: The likelihood of a successful US strike on the Iranian nuclear facility buried deep underground at Fordow is a topic of deep contention, defense officials say...

theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/19/trump-caution-on-iran-strike-linked-to-doubts-over-bunker-buster-bomb-officials-say

You won't know it before you don't try it! I would say....

That was the day the detainees were released in Reagan's deal with the new Iranian government. He got into bed with the mullahs supplying arms and intelligence to them. But like Nixon's treason over the Paris peace talks nothing happened to him. That's how America gets its leaders.

The idea that the son of the kleptocratic torturer could lead a new Iran after aligning himself with a genocidal regime attacking the country he fled at the age of 17 is crazy.

Again, bombing people to democracy doesnt work. Iran had democracy until the UK and US decided they didnt like democracy anymore and that is how the current Iranian regime came about.


Fact is no one knows what the result could be, how much radioactive material could be released and where it will go. No one knows if its possible to destroy the under mountain facility or not. I read some crazy talk about a tactical nuke...

Short story is that the US always starts wars they dont know how to win

That the opposition returns from the enemies of the system isn't that crazy but rather normal in the past, wouldn't you say?

The last thing on Earth that the US wants to promote is "Democracy", especially in the Middle East.

Under the right circumstances I do believe Iranians would be able to govern themselves far better than the mullahs do.

And one thing I don't get.... why is Iran 110% committed to the destruction of Israel?

Iranians are mostly Persians not Arabs and mostly Shia while Palestinians are mostly Sunni Arabs... why is this their special fight?

....don't forget the US plus the whole West!!!

They produce extra israeli and US flags to burn during their regular marches....

@mafketis
Ask how many Americans hate Iran for the hostage crisis and you will find an overwhelming majority remember and still hold those views. As the right questions. Biden committed to Ukraine, the US did not. A vote should be taken on that one and I guarantee it would lose.

@Barney
We know you hate the US. No one cares.

More than half of Americans were not even born in 1979

Of the rest, I bet 50 percent could not point to Iran on a map.

I would be amazed if even 5 percent of Americans have heard of the hostage crisis unless by watching that movie.

It's all fine and dandy, but I don't like today's German elites and government. Hmm... perhaps we should replace them with descendants of the last Kaiser. Great idea!

It seems that the British government and elites are out of touch, neglecting the needs of pensioners who suffer during winter. We need a change in leadership. Let's determine the new leaders by chance, as if by the wheel of fortune.
Hey, the US seems to be more divided than ever before; there is a lot of strife. The solution? Get rid of today's elites and install a king.
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In the real world, related to Poland::
The distraction caused by U.S. actions related to Israel benefits Russia and harms Poland. The issue of Ukraine is being overlooked.

Apocalyptic mystics. Eschatology. About as nutty as Protestant evangelicals and their 'rapture' fantasies and their Book of Revelations Of A Schizo. The Shia in Iran are like that but more mystical.

They have layer upon layer of mystery and secrecy Even the real leader of the Twelver Shi'a (not Ayatollah Khameini) has been "in occlusion" for over a decade.


Many can't point to their own country in a map. When asked they point to either r*SSia or the whole of Africa because they're the "biggest".


It seems you're wrong. The £300 winter fuel payment was briefly taken off the richest few % who don't need it however it has since been restored universally due to being more costly to figure out who needs it than just to pay it.

Did the Iranians murder any of the hostages? No they did not. In fact they were honorable and released them for money and weapons.

Your countrymen would be wiser to remember the USS Liberty, which Israel sunk and deliberately murdered thirty four of your Navy Servicemen.


I thought it was because Farage is causing Starmer and his advisors to sh*t their pants every morning.

@cms neuf
1946 to 1979 DOB account for 70% of Americans. The hostage crisis, Jimmy Carter and Reagan learning is mandatory in every US High School.

It doesn't matter; I still don't like them. They need to go.

A union of 65 million people are unlikely to change their recently elected government (with a supermajority) just because some random foreigner "doesn't like them".


Causing a good laugh.

That is not howeve relevant to the war.

As always your numbers are incorrect

The median age in the US is 38.5

The hostage crisis was 44 years ago.

More than half of Americans were not born. Another 10 percent at least were small kids. And many were living in Guatemala, India or even Poland back in 1979.

But anyway, why intervene in Iran but not in Ukraine ? What's the reasoning ?

I know. My point is that Israelis are doing it because they want to, not because they need to.

Doing what? Do they even have statutory Winter Fuel Allowances in Israel?

It would be a different situation if it weren't for the nuclear weapons. If I had powerful backers.
My conclusion is that Iran does not possess nuclear weapons.

The threat of nukes in the hands of west-hating terrorists?

You are getting flustered for no reason. We are discussing the Israeli attack on Iran and its underlying reasons, particularly drawing parallels in the context of regime change. I have no plans or interest in advocating for a regime change in Britain, especially since Britain possesses nuclear weapons.

You still couldn't no matter how much you tried.


No sh1t Sherlock. They are however enriching Uranium to build them.

I recommend watching the old science fiction movie 'Minority Report'. It effectively illustrates the dangers of executing preemptive strikes against perceived future threats.

....whats your alternative then? Waiting till the bomb is ready?

Apparently Trup needs permission from Congress for that. He would not get it.

No he does not. He only needs it if the war goes longer than 60 days.


Waiting till the intelligence says Iran is making a bomb.

...now I guess Tel Aviv and Washington have already the necessary details, why else would they attack NOW?

....According to the IAEA, the only international body authorized to inspect facilities on site, Tehran is now capable of producing 34 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60% per month. In its March 2025 report, the agency estimated, based on data provided by the Islamic Republic, that the country then had 274.8 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60%....

lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2025/06/19/how-close-is-iran-to-nuclear-weapons_6742494_8.html

...While uranium enriched to 60% is not usable, Iran's nuclear program is approaching the 90% threshold required to produce nuclear weapons. With its current stockpile, Iran could be capable of producing "more than nine" bombs, the European troika (France, Germany and the United Kingdom) told the IAEA Board of Governors on Thursday, June 12. According to European diplomats, there is no doubt that "Iran has continued its nuclear escalation unabatedly, even further beyond any credible civilian justification."....

Because Netanyahoo and his far right reiligious-zionist cronies are as messianic as the mullahs, and he's saving his own skin politically.

...whereas you keep on burying your head in the sand I'm glad some don't!

Why else would they be enriching Uranium?