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Why is Poland so hostile against Germany? Do they realize how their reparations rubbish damages relations?


Lyzko 25 | 7,512
12 Feb 2020 #241
Whilst I agree that organized, aka DISorganized, religion has little to do with spirituality, if Man relies solely upon himself, thinking that he has the freedom to do whatever he wants with impunity with no repercussions in the afterlife, has essentially license to commit whatever savagery he wishes and go unpunished.

The law is corruptible too, you know.

@Lenka,
Your comment escapes me, I'm sorry.
Rich Mazur 4 | 5,001
12 Feb 2020 #242
We want a fighter jet as interceptor.

To intercept what?

To defend German airspace.

From whom?
Your answers are like me saying that I need a gun. For what? To shoot.
Lyzko 25 | 7,512
12 Feb 2020 #243
Sovereign airspace, guys, is subject to international law, last time I checked:-)
Lenka 3 | 1,932
12 Feb 2020 #244
Your comment escapes me, I'm sorry

Simply that I think you are very, very wrong by saying that one cannot believe in values like freedom without believing in god One has nothing to do with the other.

It's quite annoying when people believing in god keep saying things like that simply because the religion is the center of their system and they cannit imagine someone can come to the same point without it.
Rich Mazur 4 | 5,001
12 Feb 2020 #245
That is not the worst of it. It's the self-awarded sense of superiority. Just like me except I am just yanking everybody's chain for the fun of it. They are dead serious about theirs.
OP Weimarer 8 | 445
12 Feb 2020 #246
@Spike31

Im not pagan. Im atheist and things are complex.

My great grandmother was catholic but she lost faith in church after war. My great grandfather was not religious much, rest of family was in church but losely.

My grandparents were raised atheist and not christend. My parents both were raised atheist as well.

In eastern germany almost all were raised atheist, i was born aftre reunion and nobody in my school was christend.

That doesnt mean we dont follow custums.

We celebrate christmas, eastern but not religious, we dont go church. We place a christmas tree, exchange gifts ect but not because some god. Its celebrated as family festival.

German society and civilisation was never founded on christianity. It was pushed on us.

Religion here is dead. I was in church one time and had to laugh about what the priest said. It is laughable for me.
Lyzko 25 | 7,512
12 Feb 2020 #247
Again, Lenka, you must distinguish between "religion" per se, as opposed to "sprituality", as for example in St. Francis' writings or the teachings of Jesus!

The Church corrupted religion, but the concept of G-d remains as sound as ever.
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 208
12 Feb 2020 #248
Let us be politically correct. After all, this is thread about Germany and Germans

archive.org/details/HitlersProphecy

When Hitler and Germany were defeated, Europe was defeated.

Europe was then divided and occupied, from one side by Bolshevism and on another by Plutocracy.

Both these ideologies are immoral, un-European and anti-Christian and are therefore alien to Europe.

revision

A quote from a leading revisionist historian. A fighter for the TRUTH.

What is happening to the German people who are reeling under the foreign occupation is the implementation of the Karlergi plan.

golden-dawn-international-newsroom.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-genocide-of.html

Merkel

memestatic1.fjcdn.com/comments/First+rule+of+the+kalergi+plan+we+dont+talk+about+_90688b5ae04085778d9755140a46edcb.jpg

A sick advertisement by a Swedish airline that is auto-chauvinist, denies the culture of Scandinavians and presents a black man as a descendant of the Vikings.

youtu.be/ShfsBPrNcTI

1:29
Lenka 3 | 1,932
12 Feb 2020 #249
The Church corrupted religion, but the concept of G-d remains as sound as ever.

To believers. But one can share the same values without believing in God Simple as that.
Spike31 2 | 1,163
12 Feb 2020 #250
religion is the center of their system and they cannit imagine someone can come to the same point without it.

It is due to the fact that even those Europeans who call themselves "atheists" or "pagans" were formed by Christian traditions and civilization in which they grew up. They're submerged in it to the point that we don't even realize and take it for granted like the air around us.

But here's a catch: when a society stops cultivating those values all those things which we've taken for granted will disappear. Forming a civilized society is not a single act but a regular habit.

We've had a few recent examples when the whole societies wanted to remove/replace traditional values based on a Christian traditions with some other values. Nazism, Communism...it all ended badly
Rich Mazur 4 | 5,001
12 Feb 2020 #251
That would be hard to prove. When raised among the believers who follow the Commandments, we tend to follow the Commandments just as we learn to follow other traditions.

Spike, you beat me to it...
OP Weimarer 8 | 445
12 Feb 2020 #252
@Spike31

Well obviously eastern german atheists do quite well to stand for german values, german values have nothing to,do with christianity.
Rich Mazur 4 | 5,001
12 Feb 2020 #253
When Hitler and Germany were defeated, Europe was defeated.

Those who were still standing when the Soviets opened the gates of Auschwitz would disagree.
The basic problem with denying the deaths of millions is that it requires the proof that they were still alive in June of 1945 and that those who were transported to Auschwitz and other such places died of natural causes. Also an explanation why they found themselves there.

This or Auschwitz is just a movie decoration.
Lenka 3 | 1,932
12 Feb 2020 #254
We've had a few recent examples when the whole societies wanted to remove/replace traditional values based on a Christian traditions

I don't want to remove them or replace them- I want people to believe in what they want and keep me, my family and the state out of it Simple as.
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 208
12 Feb 2020 #255
@Rich Mazur

You skipped the second part of my previous post, which of course goes in support of everything I wrote. We probably all agree here that communism has driven more people to their deaths than any other ideology. When it is added that the "father" of communism, Karl Marx, was jewish, this sufficiently speaks of this "philosophy", as well as the experience of those nations who were "fortunate" to experience communism on their backs (including Poles).

youtu.be/bwuGNfXwTjo

However, this does not justify the tactical mistakes made by the Third Reich in the conduct of the war. Communist in the East and judeo-masonic in the West propaganda machinery after the war could serve through the media the "truth" that suited them, including nonsense like 6 million murdered Jews, the "crimes" of Germany and the like. After all, Germany still is suffering because of it, the brain of the average German is systematically washed away by "guilt", as our brain is washed out by the "genocide in Srebrenica."

With my posts I just wanted to point out that the consequences could be catastrophic if one tactical mistake was made in the war (otherwise in addition - although Japan never came into conflict with the USSR, Stalin heroically declared war on them at the end of July). In my opinion, the Third Reich made a number of tactical mistakes (entering into open conflict with the USSR without solving the British problem first, not using new technologies, or using them too late, e.g. V1 and V2, etc.). How precise Adolf Hitler's stake was in all this will remain for unbiased historians to determine.
jackrussel
12 Feb 2020 #256
^Capitalism is also not perfect everywhere. The most capitalist country (USA) is little more than a work camp where locals deal with it by drugs, shooting spreas, popping antidepressants like candy or just trying to move to Canada or Europe.

Dutch, Danish or Swedish capitalism minus all the self-hatred and multiculti cult are better examples for a good economic system with less maffia and more transparancy. Japan and South Korea somewhat as well.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,239
12 Feb 2020 #257
I think you are very, very wrong by saying that one cannot believe in values like freedom without believing in god

Spot on.
Most of us on his forum, except for the interloper Serbs and Russians, were brought up as Catholics.
The fact that we no longer believe in God does not diminish our support of the values that we were taught.
I don't need a God to tell me what is right and what is wrong.

@Vesko Vukovic

Following my earlier post about the Stormfront website, I just checked it out.
And awful as it is, the posts you and some others make on PF are actually worse than what I read on their website.....
So just FO you stupid, ignorant Serb fascist.
Rich Mazur 4 | 5,001
12 Feb 2020 #258
The fact that we no longer believe in God does not diminish our support of the values that we were taught.

Well said. It is actually so good that it should be included in your acceptance speech when you are made PM.
In my opinion, the claims of the supernatural take away from the message and diminish the speaker. When my doc tells me to take a pill, I don't want to be told to face East when I swallow. If he did, I would never see him again.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,239
12 Feb 2020 #259
Many historians have written about it, especially David Irving

Nobody with an actual brain between their ears could describe David Irving as a historian...... hahahahahah!!!
You are truly pathetic.....
Miloslaw 6 | 3,239
12 Feb 2020 #260
BTW, when was the last time a German soldier fired a gun to kill not in self-defense?

We can all forget about the German military.
Despite Erik's claims, it is useless, decepit and broken......Germany is f****d in so many ways.....
Vesko Vukovic 1 | 208
13 Feb 2020 #261
You've just lost any moral right to call yourself a Slav.

I informed myself by reading texts such as this one by Polish American writer John Kaminski:

johnkaminski.org/index.php/essays-by-john-kaminiski-american-writer-and-critic/recent-essays-by-john-kaminski/16-best-kaminski-stories/56-the-hitler-test

archive.org/details/youtube-Hfi4HTAf-hU

archive.org/details/youtube-LSRC7SeUqFc

So if we follow Torq's warped logic is he no longer a Pole or a Slav because his opinion is perhaps different from yours?

Poland should feel blessed to have such a man who spoke the truth and opened the eyes of the many at a time of universal lies and deceptions.

could describe David Irving as a historian

For people who want to learn more, I recommend the books of British Baroness Lady Jane Birdwood

en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jane_Birdwood,_Baroness_Birdwood

biblebelievers.org.au/hatred.htm

Lady Jane Birdwood on the Jews and their pernicious effect on the English nation. Reading these quotes, I saw that the woman was incredibly persistent in removing the cobwebs off of the eyes of the English people, but she had fierce resistance from both Jews and the English establishment.

Publishing houses in UK are probably under tremendous Zionist pressure, because Lady Jane Birdwood, in her book, The Longest Hatred, describes the Jews and their pernicious behavior very well. Because of the book itself, THREE TIMES SHE WAS IN THE COURT. The third time she was in court was when her book was published in Serbia. Unfortunately, the outcome of this "trial" is unknown to me.

She was brought to the court because she was a really brave woman! And many English act like they are women. From her book, The Longest Hatred, when one looks at the substance and clarity of these quotes, one can see that this woman is, in the true sense of the word, a very brave, uncompromising and truthful LADY.
Torq 29 | 2,773
13 Feb 2020 #262
So if we follow Torq's warped logic (...)

You are a Holocaust denier and Hitler's apologist. I have no time for people like you.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,900
13 Feb 2020 #263
Nazism and Communism didn't try to replace them at all. They might not have gone to churches, but they were very much built on religious dogma.

They should serve as a warning as to what happens when you try and impose a single ideology on society. Part of what made the Croatian Ustashe so wicked was that combination of fascism and Catholicism, after all.
Spike31 2 | 1,163
13 Feb 2020 #264
Traditionalists who uphold the social structure and a given set of values are a valuable members of society.
Rich Mazur 4 | 5,001
13 Feb 2020 #265
...and that is why smart atheists like me support the concept and the practice of religion as the core and the "compass".

as long as they work hard, behave well, and make Poland stronger and richer, let them come.

The problem is that temporary workers do not make the country stronger. Just the opposite. They depress wages and take the money they earned with them which is imports and, as such, make the country weaker, as opposed to exports.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 67
13 Feb 2020 #266
@Rich Mazur "The problem is that temporary workers do not make the country stronger. Just the opposite. They depress wages and take the money they earned with them which is imports and, as such, make the country weaker, as opposed to exports."

The most economically intelligent thing easily said regarding temporary workers on this site. While i generally disagree with a majority of what is said by Rich, this is an absolute truth. Clearly demonstrated by Poles themselves when working abroad, living frugally, and sending money home. This is neither a "left" or "right" statement, but an economic fact.

On topic though, anyone who doesn't understand why Poles, those i have met anyway, a great majority of them, have not, and will not forget Germany and its aggression. They still fear Germany may try something again, and do not trust Germans. This I don't think will ever change.

This past summer, while having a coffee on Rynek in Krakow, a table full of older German women, was openly stared at with distaste simply by speaking their language loudly and Poles could hear. The attitude is simple, spend your tourist dollars, go home, and please don't come back unless you are spending more money. Germans, I would opine are just as much not welcome as Africans.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,616
13 Feb 2020 #267
Holocaust denier

Anyone with a first grade level of arithmetic knows the holohoax numbers are B.S.

For one, the numbers of Auschwitz deaths were reduced in 89/90 from 4 mil down to 1 mil, yet the muh 6 million was never adjusted.

When Hitler and Germany were defeated, Europe was defeated.

Pretty much....

A sick advertisement by a Swedish airline that is auto-chauvinist, denies the culture of Scandinavians and presents a black man as a descendant...

I saw that **** yesterday. I'll never fly SAS again.

Most the Norse countries are severely cucked though so it's no surprise. You won't see such an advert coming from Lot saying that pierogi aren't Polish and a Pakistani talking about his Goral ancestors, that's for sure.
Miloslaw 6 | 3,239
13 Feb 2020 #268
Anyone with a first grade level of arithmetic knows the holohoax numbers are B.S.

Sounds like your maths is not to good.
About 3 million Jews killed in total plus 3 million non Jews(Of which about 2 million were Poles)
What is 3 + 3 Adrian?
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,616
13 Feb 2020 #269
About 3 million Jews killed in total

Yes, not 6 million jews.... i'm not tlaking about poles, only jews which thanks to their ownership of hollywood and the holohoax industry repeat the 6 million dead jews lie.

But anyway thanks for confirming the 6 million jews dead is B.S., just like the whole "we were turned into soap and lamp shades oyyy veyy" b.s.

WW2 wasn't the first time the jews claimed 6 million of their people were killed.

Even all the footage, pictures, and entire camps were reconstructed and staged by the Soviets - not Americans, Brits, etc., and we of course know that Stalin and the Soviet command were the most honest, truth telling people in history.
johnny reb 20 | 4,590
13 Feb 2020 #270
Most of us on his forum were brought up as Catholics.

I don't need a God to tell me what is right and what is wrong.

I tried to stay out of yesterdays debate for this reason.
Oh Yi Yi............

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