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Poland hopes to attract hard-working, trouble-free immigarnts - Ukrainian, Belarusians and Vietnamese


Cargo pants 2 | 1,086
4 Sep 2021 #61
Sorry can't quote from cell
@ paulina: Yes I saw women and kids running around and they were cooking with wood/ sticks collected from the forest, a very sad scene.
I just wish those refugees don't pick wrong mushrooms to eat like some Afghan refugees did in Poland and today the second child died as being the peak mushroom season. I think even if anyone dies Belarusians will not even report,

I was thinking in Afghanistan the way peoplet/taliban were crowding with NO COVID? Lol maybe the AK 47 scares COVID lol
Oathbreaker 3 | 391
4 Sep 2021 #62
@Cargo pants
Thanks for sharing with us
Miloslaw 11 | 3,197
4 Sep 2021 #63
and those migrants/refugees are likely to go further West

Of course they will.
None of them will settle in Poland.
Strzelec35 32 | 1,246
4 Sep 2021 #64
who would want to stay in such a sh-hole. I wonder why Ukrainians even come here or stay?
Ironside 50 | 11,461
4 Sep 2021 #65
to somehow inform potential migrants/refugees f

Build the wall and not let even on in and those who try to cross over anyway should be shot at.
Paulina 12 | 1,994
4 Sep 2021 #66
I'd like to see you, wiseguy, standing at the border and shooting at kids.
mafketis 29 | 9,829
4 Sep 2021 #67
should make sure to somehow inform potential migrants/refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan what's the situation on the EU-Belarusian border

You're talking about deeply entrenched human trafficking networks, any publicity you put out will be countered on the ground by the trafficking representatives...

The problem is once let in many migrants suffer enormously but don't want to look like failures and so they end up encouraging others to follow them.

The situation that exploded in 2015 had been building for well over 5 (closer to 10) years and the EU _knew_ it and still did so little that it might as well have been nothing.

I'm in general theory in favor of the EU but in practice it's bloated (and I'm sure lots of officials in it have their thumbs in the trafficking pie as well).
Ironside 50 | 11,461
4 Sep 2021 #68
I'd like to see you,

What is your problem?
johnny reb 31 | 5,705
4 Sep 2021 #69
those who try to cross over anyway should be shot at.

But if the U.S. tried to do that at the Mexican border we would be shamed by the world and called heartless bullies.
And Poland is only dealing with thousands, America is dealing with millions that have no intention of working or learning our language. (Immigrating)

They are simply here for free housing, free food, free healthcare, free schooling (taught in Spanish).......Poland has no idea the burdens, YET.
Welcome to reality Poland.
Paulina 12 | 1,994
4 Sep 2021 #70
You're talking about deeply entrenched human trafficking networks,

Maybe so, but the situation with Belarus is new...

any publicity you put out will be countered on the ground by the trafficking representatives...

How? And how do you know? Any of them tried to counter reality? With what results?

and still did so little that it might as well have been nothing.

Well, then they should start doing something - this situation is unprecedented. Belarus is using those people in a cruel, despicable way.

What is your problem?

My problem with you is that you're saying that the border guards should be shooting at kids, even though you wouldn't be able to do that yourself.
Ironside 50 | 11,461
4 Sep 2021 #71
America is dealing

America is in a different place and its problems derive from internal issues.

And Poland is only dealing with thousands,

Poland's problems exist because of the EU and its issues.
Strzelec35 32 | 1,246
4 Sep 2021 #72
"Welcome to reality Poland."

Sounds like fun. I wouldnt mind doing that. Anyone know of any eu countries I should go to and get handouts?
Ironside 50 | 11,461
4 Sep 2021 #73
the border guards should be shooting at kids, even though you wouldn't be able to do that yourself.

Why kids? Would parents send their children first across the border as a kind of live mine detectors? If that is the case why would anybody feel obliged to even lift a finger to help such people? they belong in their own culture.

Secondly, IF I was a border guard that would be a part of my job description and I would have most definitely shoot at those who wouldn't heed the warning shots not to cross.

Hence I'm not one of them that is no issue. I wonder why would you bring such nonsense to the table?
Strzelec35 32 | 1,246
4 Sep 2021 #74
You Polish people were doing that to Russians in the 90s I know this first hand from a friend in the ice center at adelanto California who lived in Poland in the 90s and is Russian (maybe a Russian jew since he had clemency, or whatever its called, based on religious persecution has a stay in the US) and claims the Poloki (as he was describing it to the Lithuanian who spoke perfect Russian I mentioned the hacker and his dad was born in a gulag) were shooting their rifles at us anytime anyone got close to the border. He also said they would pay him less just because he was Russian for the same work as Polish counterparts. He did various odd jobs like work at a targ and crush grapes to make wine.
Paulina 12 | 1,994
4 Sep 2021 #75
Why kids?

Because every normal person would have a problem with shooting at defenseless kids. And kids cross borders with their parents illegally too.

that would be a part of my job description and I would have most definitely shoot at those who wouldn't heed

You would shoot kids too?

I wonder why would you bring such nonsense to the table?

Because you post nonsense. Poland is a civilised country and border guards don't shoot at people who are fleeing war, persecution or even just looking for a better life (and Poles were doing the same in the past). Would you like to get shot for getting into the US illegally?
Strzelec35 32 | 1,246
4 Sep 2021 #76
oh yes he would. you know it. and what makes you think Poles still dont do it on a daily basis?
Ironside 50 | 11,461
4 Sep 2021 #77
You would shoot kids too?

Why are you obsessing about imaginary kids? Are you claiming some moral superiority? I refuse to talk about important issues on this level.
Borders are there for a reason and if someone chooses to attempt to illegally cross it if he gets shot that on him. It pertains to children too, that on their parents.

It illegal immigration those people are taking chances. Why would I feel sorry for them?

Would you like to get shot for getting into the US illegally?

Nobody would like it. That is not the point. If they would have shot at me I wouldn't blame them. Even though I'm a better American than 50% of the US population. Breaking the law is a crime and criminals oft get that i.e. being shot at. lol

Poland is a civilized country and border guards don't shoot at people who are fleeing wa

A civilized country executes its laws. Crossing illegally is a crime, those people should be stopped at all costs. A civilized country defends its citizen and residents first and foremost.

If you don't even notice context and focus on some humanitarian BS that lefties and morons are peddling in the media. Get a grip!

Russians are on our border. Biden lost his mind and abandoned Afagnistant in this hasty manner as well as all Eastern Europe. Putin owns Lukashenko now, something I have warned against years ago. Ukraine is next.

Poland is to be F with as well as EU. He will try to destabilize the region even more and break the EU up. A part of that plan is encouraging all kinds of chancers and fools to illegally migrate into the EU.

People like you are the worst. If you worry about their safety tell them to go back and not to commit crimes on foreign soil.

maybe iron

Look dude go to the USA illegally, it's easy enough, commit some crime it easy enough even for a moron like you, claim to be a woman and they will send you to a female prison. Just don't let yourself be deported again you wuss.

Even a moron like you can get some female convict to f you.

Stick to the topic please
Novichok 1 | 3,976
5 Sep 2021 #78
A civilized country executes its laws. Crossing illegally is a crime, those people should be stopped at all costs.

Couldn't say it any better. Good post, Iron.
Paulina's fallacy is that she assumes that the killings would go on forever. All you (editorial) have to do is go for the adult males, kill a dozen, announce that we kill border crossers and that dozen will be the last dozen dead. Kids can be stopped with tear gas or skunk spray.

The problem is that we have no balls to do any of that.
Cargo pants 2 | 1,086
5 Sep 2021 #79
Kids can be stopped with tear gas or skunk spray.

And women with rubber bullets lol
GefreiterKania 7 | 312
5 Sep 2021 #81
Why would I feel sorry for them?

Hm... perhaps because they want to run away to a better, safer life, just like countless Poles did (including yourself, I believe).

Polish emigrants seem to have rather short memories, so perhaps a short refresher would be in order:

- in the 1980s over one million Poles left Poland permanently, most of them illegally - they were not political refugees, they were economic migrants. They went through Austria (visas weren't required there), Italy ("tourist" trips to see Vatican, the Pope etc.), Germany (using fake documents to obtain residency) or even Greece (crossing the Bulgarian border, where they went "on holiday");

- there was this Traiskirchen camp in Austria - with conditions for Poles not much better than the camps for immigrants today; how easy it is to forget!

- in the city parks of Rome Poles were sleeping, cooking, doing their laundry - all before the eyes of amazed Italians; how short are the memories of some!

Over one million people - that's a scale unheard of before in Europe - left Poland in 1980s. Nobody shot them, nobody used "tear gas or skunk spray". Europe was patient, Europe was generous and understanding. Poles got help not only from foreign governments but also from various organisations and ordinary common people. Today majority of Poles think that they don't owe anything to anybody...

Now, as for the people (yes, people) stuck on the Belarussian border:

- Lukashenka is a dictator and a hardcore son of a b*tch - he put those people there in a vain attempt to destabilise the EU, and he doesn't care two hoots if they die because of hunger, cold or lack of medical care. The question is: are we the same as Lukashenka?

- the EU forced Iraq into suppression of flights to Belarus, so the scaremongers who say that there will be "millions" flooding us if we let in the couple of thousands stuck on the border are just that - scaremongers;

- are we, as a country, strong enough to help a couple of thousand of poor, frightened people or do we prefer to play the silly little games with Lukashenka (which, by the way, is exactly what he wants)?

This "crisis" can end very quickly: let those people in, put them somewhere in more or less humane conditions, provide health care, especially for women and children - process every single case individually and then decide the right course of action. Treat them fairly (at least in the same way our people flooding Europe in 1980s were treated) and show the world that we are better than Lukashenka. Show the world that apart from guns and dicks we also have brains and hearts.

Just an idea.
Crow 150 | 9,535
5 Sep 2021 #82
Poland hopes to attract hard-working, trouble-free immigarnts - Ukrainian, Belarusians and Vietnamese

trouble-free?

Who on this Earth is trouble-free? Come to Poland and be trouble-free. What would happen? Lobotomization? This is madness. Even in Serbia people isn`t trouble-free. All who live are in trouble. Moment you are out of vagina or womb you are in trouble. As great Petar Petrovic Njegocs said- `Cup of happiness, asks for the cup of bile`.
mafketis 29 | 9,829
5 Sep 2021 #83
@GefreiterKania

It's entirely possible to feel compassion for those trapped between Lukashenka and the EU and still feel that it is important to retain EU border integrity against a maverick dictatorship.

And in every, single case like this in the last 10 years, being compassionate in the short run leads to greater problems in the long run.

And culture does matter. A bunch of people from one European country flooding into another with broadly similar values about things like the importance of secular education, separation of church and state and equality between men and women is not the same as letting in large amounts of people who value religious education, the integration of mosque and state and strict hierarchies between men and women.

migrants from the Middle East are a known quantity in Europe and the knowledge is not encouraging. There are low levels of integration or assimilation and the lag significantly behind native born populations in every country they end up in. So the assumption is that every migrant let in is going to be a drag on the economy and if they have children the children will also be a drag. The are over represented in social benefits and crime and underrepresented in.... pretty much everything else. This is not the result of prejudice as much as the results of the choices they make.

There's a Dutch report from a few months ago that makes this clear.

Now wealthy countries might think that it's okay to maintain a welfare-dependent class of migrants as atonement for colonialism or some such nonsense, but an EU driven by austerity (see Greece) simply cannot afford to be endlessly compassionate.

The only viable option is probably to let those at the border in but not before the border is secured in PRL style.
Crow 150 | 9,535
5 Sep 2021 #84
mportant to retain EU border integrity against a maverick dictatorship.

While Germany milk what remain to be milked in EU, Poland to keep integrity of border with Belarus?

mafe, are you really sane? Rhetorical question of course. See, border with Belarus should be erased and Belorussians convinced that Poland don`t serve to strangers anymore, that Poland returned to itself, as Gavrilo wanted. That should be done.
GefreiterKania 7 | 312
5 Sep 2021 #85
The only viable option is probably to let those at the border in but not before the border is secured in PRL style.

There are children as young as 3 years old, requiring proper nutrition and medical attention; before the 180-kilometer fence is finished some of them can die. There is no question about securing the borders and not allowing uncontrolled flow of immigrants (hence the EU deal with Iraq, suppressing flights to Belarus), but people who are already there should be let in and dealt with in civilised manner. Keeping them trapped at the border, cold, hungry and in appalling sanitary conditions is barbarous and inhumane. We are better than that.

As for cultural differences... Poland is historically probably the most multicultural country in Europe - apart from home nations (Poles, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Lithuanians) we had large Dutch, Scottish, Jewish, German and Russian settled communities and smaller ones from all over Europe - all of them, including even muslim Tatars, were with time not only by and large assimilated but also polonised. The attractiveness of Polishness is such that we don't have to worry about what happened in western Europe or Scandinavia.
johnny reb 31 | 5,705
5 Sep 2021 #86
Poland's problems exist because of the EU and its issues.

Yes and guess what, before that the Polish people stood up to what was called the 'Warsaw Uprising' at a cost of 200,000 lives and fought for their freedom against overwhelming odds with even children losing their lives.

Same with the little rag tag team of Hillbillies in the U.S. that sent the Brits packing to gain our freedom and Independence.
When you look at what is called "refugee's" it seems to be all men of fighting age on the lam at the border.
NATO gave these people weapons to fight with and what did they do with them ?
As long as NATO was spilling their blood and doing the fighting it was, "atta boys, go get em'."
But once it was their turn to fight they gave the weapons that had been supplied to them by NATO to their enemies.
Just saying.............
Novichok 1 | 3,976
5 Sep 2021 #87
In lieu of a detailed review: mafketis - 100, GK - 0.

Today majority of Poles think that they don't owe anything to anybody...

No, the majority of Poles did not break Italian laws and stayed home. Just because Italians were stupid and passively watched the invasion does not create a moral or legal obligation for the Polish state to tolerate the same. Not even a compensation for the Italians who helped the invading Poles - a voluntarily given gift does not create an IOU in any sense. Especially to another person or group. Collective responsibility is a NAZI invention.
mafketis 29 | 9,829
5 Sep 2021 #88
Keeping them trapped at the border, cold, hungry and in appalling sanitary conditions is barbarous and inhumane

If you've been paying attention you'll noticed that that's what the EU wants, despite it's calls for humane treatment etc it's yet to tell Poland "let them in". As I've said before, no one in the EU wants a replay of 2015 (let alone a replay of 2015 that's three times the size).
Novichok 1 | 3,976
5 Sep 2021 #89
Pity is a surrender, not a policy.
Strzelec35 32 | 1,246
5 Sep 2021 #90
can u read here?

msn.com/pl-pl/wiadomosci/polska/dziennikarze-onetu-z-zarzutami-za-relacj%c4%99-z-obszaru-obj%c4%99tego-stanem-wyj%c4%85tkowym/ar-AAO4Aiu?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBr5MK7


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