Germany's Socio-Political Climate and Its Impact on Poland

They are IMMIGRANTS, jon!

They wander about half the globe to IMMIGRATE HERE!

Yes, here one expects them to fit in, to integrate...to at least know how different our way of life is...at least wanting to integrate! Otherwise there are about 50 muslimic countries they could chose from...some of them richest on Earth....but noooo, they did chose another contintent, a totally different culture, language, tradition...its on them to show us that it was a good decision to let them in.

Its NOT our duty to make them here feel "like home"...to change our laws to fit THEM better, so that it here looks on our streets like streets in Kabul or Damaskus or Tunis or wherever!

Is that so strange to you???

It's strange that someone who looks or behaves differently or has a different political outlook triggers you so much.

Hard to know who "wanders about half the globe" or why wandering would be an issue.

....and the number of people being triggered is growing alarmingly....do you really want such a demonstration in Berlin as it lately happened in London?

reuters.com/world/uk/police-protesters-scuffle-110000-join-anti-migrant-london-protest-2025-09-13/

They can wander as often and as far as they want....but better not stop here...we don't want them here!

Do you have a migrant in your apartment?

If not, they must be triggering you to say get lost...

@jon357 That's very funny! Must human beings accept the fact that there is a diversity of viewpoints and political opinions?

Said the leftist, who is a blatant hypocrite with beliefs set in stone. Now that's truly hilarious!

Who's we?


Nobody is afraid of fascists.


Yes.

It's 8.36 in Illinois. Those two coffin dodgers must appear as soon as they've managed to wake up.

The great majority of us Bio-Germans! (plus some already well integrated non-german Europeans!)


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...and that was 2023....you can bet these numbers have soared!


All fascists? All 110.000 of them?

What is that? 'Bio-Germans' is a new term for me.

How do they differ from other Germans?

Are all Germans not equal there?


Quite. The other 65 million people in the country did not attend a silly march.

Why would anyone fear such characters?

@Tacitus
Thats actually great news. They should take more. They should take them all.

Immigration should only be allowed with required assimilation. The scum coming to Europe and the US do not want to assimilate, they want to take over, they want to have us change. I went through the immigration process, anyone coming to Europe should simply have to go through the process. Everyone should have to be able to communicate in the new countys language within a certain prescribed period of time. But the leftists dont think thats fair. Boo Hoo lifes not fair.

Yeah....I was abit puzzled as I heard it the first time too, its quite new! Ostensibly the choices had been:

"native" - Germans and

"already living here for a long time" - Germans.

I've read the Turks came up first with Bio-Deutsch to differentiate us to those with "Migrations-Hintergrund" like them. And it won clearly....its becoming an easy self-description, compared to those "passport-Germans", especially as it gets easier and easier to get a passport....just that doesn't make you a German anymore!


No! Alone the fact that some Mohammed freshly in (plus his following 250people clan), not one day working, no language, gets the same high social benefits as someone who labored hard his whole life shows clearly that the gov cares alot less about the "schon länger hier lebenden", but shoves all the money we no longer have into their backholes for free!

Thats discrimination!


Frankly I was abit shocked as I heard and saw these numbers! Conservative, rightists are not prone to take to the streets, you know....we are not the loudly gathering and plan demonstrations kind...that has always been a forte of the Leftists.

That now still that many took to the streets should be a clear warning to the gov in London...the support, the anger, the frustration should be even much bigger than the number of protesters had been.

Like with the Titanic and the iceberg....the captain didn't acknowledge/ignored the much bigger mass under the sea surface, so that big ship sunk!

So some Germans are less equal than other Germans.

Interesting. I wonder if that's been tried before....


There are the people who do precisely that. The moderate majority do not.

My English sucks I know...bear with me!

Just a summary to convey it maybe better....


....I have to take a break here....till later, guys and gals *waves*

It is not because of your English skills, it is because of Jon's views and his progressive prejudices.

No, hence the need to distribute them fairly across Europe.


Evidence such as? Those are undocumented refugees who have been (intentionally) not registered by Polish officials. That is just an excuse not to accept them.


Ukrainians are no more or less "real" refugees then people fleeing from Syria and Afghanistan. Following your logic, we shouldnt accept any of them wither, since they have all been safe in the countries bordering Germany.


Because we take our laws and values seriously? we don't have a clause in our asylum laws that ban people people with different skin colours and beliefs from claiming asylum. And we need to take in our fair share of refugees since we can not leave the border countries to take care of all arrivals. Because that led to the breakdown of Dublin and the mess we still are in.


This is such an empty slogan. What kind of perspective do young people in e.g. Afghanistan have right now? Say what you want about the refugees who make it to Europe, but they are not cowards. I wonder how many Europeans would be comfortable with risking their lifes on small boats in the Mediterranean. Just a reminder. After the Soviet Union crushed the uprising in 1953, the first reaction of many East Germans was not to try again, but to leave the country in such large numbers, that the GDR built a wall. At some point people will lose hope in making a living in their home country, and I can't blame anyone for losing hope in a Taliban-run Afghanistan.


Some countries have sure, and I'd count Germany amongst them as well, hence the need to lower the numbers of arrivals. But Europe has 500m people. We could easily deal with the current number of arrivals if they are distributed equally amongst the countries.

Or maybe.... hear me out..... stop letting the useless workshy fvkkers into Europe in the first place!

Merkel didn't start the crisis but she made it far worse with her compleley unilateral decision made without consulting.... anyone?

And... I ask for the nth time... how are countries supposed to keep them when they really want to access German welfare?


You feed them and never kick them out.... how are you going to lower numbers?

Much better to distribute them fairly across the Sahara.

Hey, azzhole, Poland is not Germany's overflow sewer.

You wanted them, keep 'em.


BB, you are damn right. Jon is stupid or playing stupid.

Every politician knows that the ratio of pi**ed off silently to actively is huge.

As they say in Texas...For every rat you see, there are 100 you don't.

Today, the cheap labor argument is so stupid, nobody with brains should make it. With that out of the way, there is no reason to allow ANY unskilled immigration or migration.

....yeah....similar to all the Germans ethnically cleansed by the victors of WWII from their lands and homes....


bpb.de/themen/migration-integration/kurzdossiers/224641/wie-ist-das-asylrecht-entstanden/

Without the millions of GERMANS fleeing the soviet zone of occupation, who knows if that special german law of asylum would exist at all....


Germany can't be the saviour of the world....if we can keep our neighbourhood in order then that alone is alot to stem....right now we can neither, its time to set our priorities right.
We are no rich, well functioning country anymore....you are afraid of a rising AfD? Then why are you insisting to carry on all these things which make the AfD bigger and bigger?

German laws and EU laws are not set in stone....when they stop working or even worse have unwanted outcomes, they need to be changed, adapted or thrown in the bin.

Either the actual ruling parties do it...or the AfD does it....there is not much time left to chose!


PS: I like Maf's question....but you know the only answer to that don't you, Tac?

The only way is for Germany to cut out the "pull factors"....no more huge social benefits for every newcomer plus clan....only a bed and daily bread....the usual, nothing more.
No longer a reason to travel half the world, wandering through dozens of already safe-third-Countries....

Any suggestions how that would work? The countries outside Europe won't keep them, and once they enter Europe, they have the right to due process.

The UK is an island, left the EU and was led by the Tories for many years, yet the number of new arrivals was 100k or so last years. If you can't keep them from reaching the UK, you won't be able to prevent them from reaching Italy.


Like I wrote above. Simply register them and take them back if they turn up in a different country asking for welfare. Once it becomes clear that they can't pick their host country, they'll stay put. Simple.


We are richer and better run than more than 95% of the planet. Just a reminder to keep things in perspective.


I don't want to "carry on". On the contrary it is my belief that we need drastic changes hence my insistence on a European solution and my praise for the changes already implemented by the Merz government. But I am also a realist who knows that there are limits to what we can achieve. Migration is a reality and we will never get the number of non-European refugees down to where they were in the 20th century. That is simply not going to happen. And I am not of fan of making promises that can not be fullfilled. What I hope happens is that we reduce the numbers sufficiently that we can properly with them again. But I doubt it will go down much further than 100k new arrivals per year.


How many of those "safe" countries even offer that? If you live in a refugee camp in Libanon, even those basic utilities will look like luxuries to you. Most of the "pull factors" we have like education and basic healthcare aren't things we can take off the table.

I used to think that this might make a difference. But after I learned how life for many Afghans is like, even before the Taliban retook power, especially in rural areas. Living in small huts with no electricity or running water, no access to medicine or schools, no job prospects. Honestly, even if you reduced everything to bed, bred and soap for rejected refugees, they still wouldn't leave.

You know what that implies? KONTROLLVERLUST!

That our gov has no longer the full control over something so important as the borders of our nation!

That is so dangerous, Tacitus. A gov, any gov, which just shrugs and says "we can't" is no longer a gov people trust. If they already lost the control about who comes, who stays, who leaves (or doesn't leave) what else have they no longer the control over?

The AfD is only the main symptom, not the reason for any of this!


Thing is my grandparents didn't chose to travel to Libanon, as they had to flee Breslau...neither did the Mauerflüchtlinge which were lucky not to be shot!


Again, you are mixing up true refugees and immigrants!

A true refugee is grateful for the barest necessities...a bed with a roof over his head, daily bread, peace and the hope to go back one day!

An immigrant wants the education, the money, the free healthcare....he will walk half the globe for greener pastures!

Thats one of the many german failures....treating immigrants with our law of asylum!


THEY wouldn't, because they can't and we wouldn't force them...they are real refugees!

The immigrants on the other hand would run!!!

I don't know, man - but when Poland was building the wall on the Belarusian border, there was some significant outcry in Germany

A bit melodramatic. A government can also fight e.g. crime, but will never be able to prevent all crimes or identify and punish all criminals. But as long as it does everything it reasonably can and achieve satisfactory results, that is enough for most people. That is what our government should be aiming for.


They were fortunate to have a country nearby that accepted them and offered them a decent shot at life. What is your point? That the Syrians in Libanon should have immediately made their way towards Europe instead?


This is such an unrealistic take on people. Yes, people are initially immensely grateful if they are out of harms way and receive very basic accomodations. But if they are stuck in tents for years, with no job opportunities, no chance for their children to even receive a basic education, no chance of integration and no realistic perspective of returning to their home, they'll consider leaving.

Just a reminder. You had people in the GDR risking their lifes while trying to enter the FRG, even though the differences between the standard of living between the two countries was significantly lower than between the FRG and a refugee camp in Libanon. Because they did not see a future for themselves there.

Btw. There are documentaries about German refugees after WWII who were forced to live in tent camps for years. They were interviewed there, and they usually didn't say "we are so happy to be still alive" but that they dislike their current living situation, that they want proper homes and schools for their children. Of course they did not have other places to go since most of Europe was still destroyed.

Lets' not pretend that refugees are self-sufficient to the point of abandoning all wants and needs.

....especially as they were Germans, till 1945 common german citizens.....real refugees!

You are not seriously comparing them to some afghan, syrian or north african immigrant, don't you?


....or not coming in the first place!
No pull factors = no illegal immigration from far away countries!

Can we close this case now?

You were just one wrong partner away from a disastrous life, given your lifestyle choices throughout your adulthood. If I were a betting man, I would predict that you will be wearing a pine suit long before Rich does. The combination of your biological age and your risky lifestyle is concerning. On the other hand, I predict that Rich will live to a healthy age of 100.

Didn't take long, did it...

metro.co.uk/2025/09/20/germanys-darkest-days-resurface-shop-bans-jews-entering-24216065/

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The shop owner is btw a man whose first name is "Hans". Not a popular name amongst muslim migrants I might add.


Maybe not with refugees from many African countries who flee from poverty. But people from Syria and Afghanistan are usually accepted as refugees, hence a valid comparison.


Even if that was true. Clear-cut immigration makes only for a small share amongst the refugees. I think Ukrainians, Syrians and Afghans - all genuine refugees - make up for more than 80% of the cases last time I checked. So even if implemented, we would not see a decrease to a degree that would make you satisfied.

Hey, Rich!
The only sewer here is coming from your keypad.
A true Trump supporter.
He has no respect for the English language either:

"Folks, I think we're doin' fantastic! I mean, really,
fantastic, isn't it? You see, the Left is evil, folks, really,
the country's fantastic, our GDP's fantastic....."

Yep, that's the Donald.

(time for the ol' barf bag)

Yeah....one of the worst....leftist anti-semitism....packed as "anti-Israelism", if there exists truly such a thing!

ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/antisemitisches-plakat-in-flensburg-mehr-judenhass-in-sh,regionflensburgnews-776.html

It seems Leftist like a special kind of immigrants....muslims.....hence why they want to keep them coming...they can then hate Jews together!

Another good but rightist argument to keep muslims out on the whole...Germany with its history is just the totally wrong country for them to want to immigrate here!

Again, we won't be able to reduce the "pull factors" to the degree that wouldn't make it appealing for people to come if the alternative is a refugee in Libanon. Things like basic health care and schooling are things people are willing to risk their life for.

...thing is, whenever I hear nowadays from the ruling people that usual "we can't" I (and many many more) hear a clear "we don't wanna"!