Germany After the EU and the Russian Scenario - future of the European Union and Poland

Germany After the EU and the Russian Scenario

By George Friedman

Discussions about Europe currently are focused on the Greek financial crisis and its potential effect on the future of the European Union. Discussions these days involving military matters and Europe appear insignificant and even anachronistic. Certainly, we would agree that the future of the European Union towers over all other considerations at the moment, but we would argue that scenarios for the future of the European Union exist in which military matters are far from archaic.

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Friedman lost all credibility when he started writing about US-Chinese spacewars when China shoots down US liberty stars (or were they combat stars? - anyway according to Friedman US will have these cool space stations and Chinese will shoot them down).

Also his grasp of geopolitics is a bit...shaky.


For example this, yeah we're flying epic jets, all 48 of them, how is a single battery of missiles and 48 jets seriously threaten the Russians who have a f*cking milion strong army ???


Rubbish, US is milking and shafting Poland.

A better Friedman article...
But still, some of his conclusions are again more wishful thinking...still the old cold warrior.

Poland will be part of a future Moscow-Warsaw-Berlin economical axis (as a growing economical power not anylonger playing poodle to Washingtons whims anymore - and that is not what the policy makers there want or need) and there won't be another catastrophical split as in Berlin/Moscow to Warsaw/Washington...those geopolitical strategies are of the past.

The default lines of future conflicts are not in Europe anymore, but in Asia!

He can't decide really, some of his arguments are even better, China has the money to build a focking huge fleet, China builds a focking huge fleet but according to Friedman China will not become a maritime power because Chineese traditionally dont like to sail.

His book about how Poland becomes an uber galactic empire was fun though, i enjoyed the bit with the robot wars.

Not to mention he misses the fact that Poland does not want to fight Germany and while there's no great love for Russian there's no drive to fight it as well.

*grin*
Yeah...he would make a better alternative universe fiction writer if he wouldn't pose himself as serious crystal ball forteller.


*nods*
And if there is a thing Germans have learned is that cheques are more effective than Panzers...

Especially when these Patriots which maybe will be coming to Poland are solely for US training purposes without warheads. Anything to appease the Poles, after all in the whole of CEE they are the only country still needing visas to enter the US?

Fine thread though. Any moment I expect somebody to pop up with a posting about "Nazi Ufo's over the Antarctic" or something entertaining like that :)))

what i heard, Russian political doctrine seriously thinking of supporting idea of Lusatian independence and Lusatian separation from German state

i am all for that



Slava! Justice isn`t blind!

Now that you mention it....there is this new cool movie coming out:
ironsky.net/site

:)


MUDFIGHT!!!

Question is do Lusatians support that?:)

By the way Friedman is a Jew, never trust someone who killed Jesus.

You're making him seem like some nutty science fiction writer. He doesn't claim to know everything about geopolitics and has admitted that he's been wrong in the past. That being said he is an intelligent guy and has an interesting take on the world. He never claimed that Poland would become an uber galactic empire. He simply said that Poland would once again become a regional power, which is not far fetched by any means. They should have been a long time ago and are working towards it. Personally I think Poland will for at least the next 50 years have a relationship with America for strategic purposes no matter what- that being military and technological transfer that will help strengthen it's economy. Now, whether or not there's robotic space wars in the future, I don't care. Look at the technologies that have been invented since WWII. But I am sure Stratfor (his company) is privy to information we are not. And don't forget, you guys don't really know the future geopolitics of Europe either.

they, their legitimate organizations and intelligentsia calling for Serbian, Czech, Polish and Russian help

Germany supported dissolution of Yugoslavia so i don`t see reason why Serbia wouldn`t support dissolution of Germany.

After all, Lusatia deserve to be free from German occupation

Deal, all towns that are more than 50% Sorb can separate peacefully, no adverse reaction from Germany.

no. As Serbian Arkan said- `people in Germany should be liberated` and then asked in freedom in democratic environment

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b5jw9pbMUeA

Again, absolutely no problem. Just split of the majority Sorbian areas, it's a deal.

Yup.


He's still an ignorant moron, admitting to it wont change a thing.


Is he? His view of global geopolitics is feckin' shallow for an intelligent guy.


I agree it might, i dont agree that it will happen through alliance with US or that there will be space wars with China.


what technology did US transfer to Poland? What military benefits did Poland reap from US?


I'm not, its just a private company not even particulary prominent in US so i doubt he knows more then you or me.


No but i have a helluva more rational assumptions.

Yeah Poland may become a regional power, german population will grow old while russian economy will continue to drown in a shitter so in the end Poland will fill the vacuum but no spacewars, no WW 3, no jedi knights.

That is what I adore by this forum. Always some nutcase posting some new utterly wild theory :)
The Sorbs are a small minority in the far east of the old DDR. World domination is not in te planning I guess :)

You mean their crystal ball?
There was once an article who posted all the errors in Stratfors foretellings...it had been alot!

Stratfor does nothing else than we here on PF....speculating....who pays them good money for that could give it to us too!

complete Eastern Germany (minimum) are just forcible germanized Slavs. In perfect situation, if war hostilities occur between Russia and Germany in future, Russia could simple declare that battle with Germany in order to liberate all germanized Slavs. Russia could seek to establish freedom, democracy and restoration of human rights of people in Germany. It could be considered as historical justice and Russia would be morally right. Especially if we have in mind recent development, that Germany violated international law and treaties when violated Yugoslav and Serbian sovereignty

That I can agree with :)

That is a "perfect future" for you Crow?
Some more millions dead and Europe again destroyed???

...you are really a poor sod, aren't you...

Notice the 'may' bit, there's also a possibility that bankrupt Germany will bankrupt Europe and we're the closest neighbour to be affected since we dont have $$$ to cushion the fall like France has.

tell that to the German government that is irresponsible terrorist organization and that likes to provoke.

You know what happened to the arch and A-H after they provoked last time. Don`t complaint later


go cry to your mama

We will breed our offspring artifically soon...with high tech made in Germany, ha! :):):)


Erm...last I looked the Slavs suffered the most and the longest (around 30 million dead, opressed for more than 50 years)...you don't seem to love your people as much as you claim all the time!


Heh:)

Isn't it YOU whining and crying all the time about "poor, so unfairly mistreated Serbia" by the mean powers of this world, like super strong, allmighty Germany??? ROFLMAO

What will you do if there will be an economical axis developing soon spanning from Moscow, over Warsaw to Berlin? Nobody wasting a thought on the serbian/balkan basket case anymore???

More crying and whining from you?

First line of Slavija- the Serbians, paid biggest price. Just in a WWI, 1/3 of entire population of Balkan Serbs was killed. Price was paid, indeed. Freedom is precious thing

But, main invasion was repelled and Slavs got opportunity to consolidate



Expansion and retreat of German linguistic area

Heh:)
I wonder why they are laughing at you with your dream of "Slavija"...


Well, you have your freedom now...much smaller, cut to size...but still...

PS: And German is still the most widely spoken language in Europe...Serbian on the other hand...;)

Serbian songs spread all over former Yugoslavia, Balkan, all over Central and Eastern Europe, even further. German songs? i would say, German language and songs are quite awfully to the most of Europeans.

Goran Bregovic in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008
...


yes, Germany and her friends ridiculed ideas of larger Slavic conglomerates. But, its only temporary situation

Anyway, that how Serbs ridiculed Austro-Hungaria, THAT was real ridiculing

last word of archduke was just EAK (similar to the sound when one brake the neck of the cat)


well, true, it was wild sex. But, party didn`t even started

;)

Rofl...I'm not talking about Germanics laughing at you (that is a given), as it is not us you need to convince.
Your people (remember, those with whose you want to build an empire with) are doing it. It's only you and a few fellow nutters in your mommies basement.


Well, for you it's over...you have nothing to barter with anylonger....no power, no military, no economy, no money - nothing!

Its just an illusion. Give time to the Slavs in the region


another illusion. Serbs have big di**

...and a brain the size of a nut!

whatever

Eurovision on TV! Slovakia right now. i go

pozdrav!


to tell you frankly, i don`t see Germany. Russia would be fine then

but i see how Poland expand on the behalf of peace in Europe and even world