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Poland in the European Union. Polexit?


Crow 141 | 7,007    
13 Jan 2018  #91
It becoming increasing necessity for Poland to save itself from EU. As soon as possible.

@Ziemowit

Yes. Ivica Dacic likes to sing songs to foreign diplomats in their languages. Plus, he is totally immune to alcohol. His bottom line still isn`t determined. But, as diplomat, he is more then successful. Phenomenon.

@Anna2016

Croatia? Croatia can only create problems to Poland. I assure you.
So, forget Croatia. Croatia is yet to get its real borders. Within what is now Croatia, neither Catholic, neither Orthodox Serbs are satisfied and wants to separate from Croats. It is very similar to situation in Ukraine. Just wait to happen.

Serbia is a tiny, poor and - outside of the Balkans - irrelevant country. You have 7m people, ranking 30th in Europe per GDP.

As for `tiny` - that is because EU and NATO leading countries united with Islamic league and sponsored local Nazis and Muslim extremists, in order to destroy Yugoslavia and shorten Serbia. So, you have 7 mil Serbs in Serbia. But, when add to it number of Serbs in some artificially created states of former Yugoslavia, you easily coming to number of more then 10 million. Even much more. Quite enough in conditions of modern-warfare, I assure you.

It is more and more obvious that Polish prince Czartorisky was right when suggested formation of Great Serbia (not Greater- but Great; in its real ethnic borders), instead of Yugoslavia.
Ironside 47 | 9,017    
13 Jan 2018  #92
What reasons could have Russia possibly have had for shooting down that plane?

What? Who cares?
I mean I would like to know what had happened there bit the poignant point is not about the crash. It about what had happened next - actions or inaction taken by the prime ministers, ministers, top dogs of certain institutions and so on.

If you ask me who did it. I tell you I don't know if that was an accident or not.
If you ask for my guess basing in on a working theory it was not an accident - I would say that was an inside job. Russian in this scenario is only covering for 'someone' in Poland. Russian interested in keeping that 'someone' by the balls.

That someone in Poland is screed shitelss the public will find out about it. Hence all that media mindless hysteria talk about conspiracy nutters, Smolensk sect and all that soviet HS and S shoveling at anyone who as questions.

Hey but that is only my personal theory as I said I don't know what had happened to this flight. Every plane has it iceberg.
Crow 141 | 7,007    
13 Jan 2018  #93
Interesting that you people talk about Russia, while we all see that, its not Russia who pressuring, humiliate and wants to populate Poland with non-Poles. Truly, interesting thinking. You better thank to all who opposed to Uni-Polar world promoted by Anglo-Franko-Germanics. In Multi-Polar world, Poland, at least, have chance.

keep to the topic everyone, please
Crow 141 | 7,007    
13 Jan 2018  #94
I am on topic. I nicely told them that its not Russia that killing Poland but western Europeans. So, I talk about Polexit, as fast as possible.

I don`t see any opinion that opposing to mine on this. Fine. We understand each others.
LongTermR 1 | 37    
13 Jan 2018  #95
I totally agree with Crow. Western Europe is killing Polish culture, family relations, futures economy. A day will come and Poles will have nothing to inherit to the new generation. Migration to Western countries one of the biggest problem of Poland and definetely Ukrainian migrants who come to Poland will not help to this issue. Because not just unskilled workers leave Poland also skilled ones. In my opinion, If Poland wants to be a regional power in this region they should have balanced-in-relations. Thats means neither Western also US or nor Russian
Crow 141 | 7,007    
13 Jan 2018  #96
As one Serbian old peasant said these days, asked about racial reformation of western Europe and accusations how Slavs aren`t tolerant.

Old man said... `Well, there were always Blacks and Whites. From time immemorial. We Slavs always knew who we are and at a same time were famous by our hospitlity, while some other Whites pretended to be better then we Slavs and were not that hospitable, were more racists. Now, those Whites who were racists becoming Blacks, while we Slavs stays what we are, Slavic and White. See, there were Whites and Blacks and always shall be. We can only wish luck to western Europeans on their new path.`
Tacitus 1 | 543    
13 Jan 2018  #97
What? Who cares?

If you are investigating a murder, you usually look for a motiv. This is even more important if you suspect a political assasination.

@Crow

coming to number of more then 10 million.

10 million would still be insignificant if we are talking about a potential conflict between Russia and Poland. Not that what you are writing here has any claim to reality anyway. Serbia has no strategic value to Poland

Catholic, neither Orthodox Serbs are satisfied and wants to separate from Croats

Even if that were true, there are less than 200k Serbs in Croatia. They are no threat to Croatia|s stabilitz. Besides Croatia is in Nato, and Serbia is not Russia.
Ironside 47 | 9,017    
13 Jan 2018  #98
If you are investigating a murder,

I'm not investigating it. It is not why you have asked me that question. It was because you were attempting an manipulation. Who know maybe Germany is behind that, seeking as Tusk is their creature that possible.
Tacitus 1 | 543    
13 Jan 2018  #99
I am simply interested what kind of motiv those who believe in foul play suspect. This tragedy does not get much coverage in Germany anymore, but there must be a discussion on Poland about possible motives.
Ironside 47 | 9,017    
27 Jan 2018  #101
[moved from]

Wrong, when Poland voluntarily joined the EU, and agreed to abide

Run to you German Uni or wherever you came from and stop lecture Polish people and Poland on what they should do not. Deal?
Braveheart16 14 | 100    
27 Jan 2018  #102
I don't think it is a matter of Poland being lectured at, it is more of the fact that Poland is not complying with the agreements they signed up to when they joined the EU. The EU is a bit like a club, where there are rules and regulations and that members (such as Poland) must follow. Poland cannot just change the rules as they go along....there is a protocol to follow...rules.....

Poland has received substantial funding since joining the EU which is benefiting the economy. This is why the EU is seeking financial penalties against Poland, because Poland has been given chance after chance to sort the B. Forest problem out but have instead chosen to not comply with the rules...(Poland cannot change the rules to suit themselves, no matter how much they want to)....but no it would seem that logging the protected forest is more important that using their energy to improve the economy....

There seems very little discussion or new ideas to show that the government are really tackling unemployment, wages, living conditions, employment law etc, which really are the main issues here. It seems that the politicians don't have any original ideas at all and seem more than happy to persue and blindly support the logging of the B. Forest..... Yes, Poland could leave the EU but they need to remember that they will have to repay all the money back to the EU. What a waste of effort it has been in the last year or so.....when more constructive and practical issues could have been addressed rather than all this backwards and forwards....will they ....won't they......please just grow up and stop being greedy and leave the B. Forest alone...its quite simple for most people to understand...why can't the politicians?
Ironside 47 | 9,017    
27 Jan 2018  #103
it is more of the fact that Poland is not complying with the agreements they signed up to when they joined the EU.

Well, the same can be said about France, Germany and EU Commissars(Red). They all are breaking EU law or not complying with the agreements they signed.. Who is gonna lecture them. This is a reality we are dealing with not some made up problems or better still - this is narrative spew by strong to use it to control and subjugate weak. It is the name of the game played by the EU.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
27 Jan 2018  #104
Poland's land, Poland concern.

cutting down the reserve and selling it

Saw baby saw!!!!

As a salesman of...what exactly?

I have a team selling your wife and other THOTs and believe me it pays a lot better than a tree sitter

Yes, Poland could leave the EU but they need to remember that they will have to repay all the money back to the EU.

Where exactly in EU rules does it say that? Poland invested all that EU money wisely - UNLIKE Greece and a bunch of other countries. Till the end of this period, EU has confirmed there will be no cuts and Hungary will block any vote to suspend PL's rights. Seems PL's ruling party can keep doing what it wants and the leftist unelected euphiles can't do much aside from threats.... which end up falling through as we've seen time and time again with the migrant issue, with this forest issue (they were supposed to fine 100k day rofl - yet never have... that's because V4 is realizing EU is all bark no bite --Esp Poland and Hungary
mafketis 16 | 5,896    
27 Jan 2018  #105
EU has confirmed there will be no cuts and Hungary will block any vote to suspend PL's rights.

Yeah, when has Poland ever needed allies.... And who needs laws in Poland (esp if your 4ss is parked permanently in the US or Norway....)
G (undercover)    
27 Jan 2018  #106
You mean "allies" like in 2008-15 ?
Braveheart16 14 | 100    
27 Jan 2018  #107
Dirk Digggler...Where exactly in EU rules does it say that? Poland invested all that EU money wisely

I think you will find that there will be rules/regulations in place to deal with Poland's refusal to comply with rules...and yes you may say that Poland invested the EU money wisely, but like a bank....the EU will be expecting to receive the money back at some time in the near future....if not...then the EU will take measures to retrieve the money from Poland....it doesn't matter how good Poland is at using the money, the EU will still want the money back....

It really doesn't matter about other countries like Hungary...who may sympathise with Poland, but really is not in a position to make a serious challenge to the EU. It just won't work.....Don't think that Poland will escape future financial penalties because of the B. Forest, because it is just a matter of time.....people need to wake up and realise how important it is to listen to the people who have helped Poland since they joined the EU. Some people appear to think that the EU can provide limitless supplies of cash....take the money and run type of approach...wake up and comply to the rules....then everyone will benefit and Poland will become stronger and wiser....don't waste this precious opportunity....
delphiandomine 86 | 16,369    
27 Jan 2018  #108
Hungary will block any vote

Remember 27:1? Remember how Hungary a couple of weeks ago announced that they were open to taking some refugees?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
27 Jan 2018  #109
@Braveheart16

Riiiight except a bunch of top analysts and economists say a polexit would be far worse for eu than even brexit.

And yes obran did publicly state hungary would not vote for sanctioning poland hence veto numerous times to media in press conferences, most recently after the joint pis and obran regime meetings in warsaw prior to timmermans recently folding and saying after a dinner eu funds are NOT at stake and poland will.keep receiving them as planned up to the next budget period without any strings attached - seems the eu just wanted a few peoplr from pis gone but the message ideology and position is the same. Morawiecki even said pl will rechristianize europr and bring the traditions values and culture it was founded upon.

Way i see it pis 3: eu 0
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
27 Jan 2018  #110
Yes european refugees lol. Obran indeed said he welcomes all political refugeed seeking to leave terrorism far left western europe.. but yeah regardless this is abour the forest which yes large scale logging is bad but given the vastness of bialowierza the stats show this will hardly have an effect plus it generates revenue in a poor part of poland
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
27 Jan 2018  #111
say a polexit would be far worse for eu than even brexit.

We need to suck every penny out of the EU that we possibly can, once were done or the money dries up we need to push them politely if to the sidelines.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,369    
27 Jan 2018  #112
Of course, pushing all those foreign companies to the sidelines in favour of Polish companies that have proven to be unable to compete on foreign markets.

Not very economically literate, are you?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
27 Jan 2018  #113
@dolnoslask

Exactly. Neither can we ever allow poland to turn into france or germany where citizens foreign born and not are terrorized everyday
Wulkan - | 3,280    
27 Jan 2018  #114
Of course, pushing all those foreign companies to the sidelines in favour of Polish companies

Is the best way to keep the tax money in Poland to increase the national budget.

Not into politics are ya?
TheOther 5 | 3,381    
27 Jan 2018  #115
a polexit would be far worse for eu than even brexit.

And why would that be?

We need to suck every penny out of the EU that we possibly can

Great attitude, certainly helps your reputation abroad.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
27 Jan 2018  #116
Google is your friend use it. Theres numerous articles with those keywords

Eu funds arent even te of polish gdp... between 2014 and 2020 theyll get 82 bil. Thats 11.7 bil eu a year.
Polands economy nominally is nearly 500 bil amd 1 tril dollars is going by ppp. Everyone gets so hung up esp the left oh boo hoo its less than 3% of polands annual economy n were growing faster than almost any other eu country
Crnogorac3 1 | 312    
27 Jan 2018  #117
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Dirk diggler 7 | 3,399    
27 Jan 2018  #118
Idk why the ukranians esp kiev wsnt to be in eu so bad. They should've learned their lesson with the IMF vultures

Eu is the sick man of europe and everyday the more attacks, terrorism, migrant problems, crime, bad euro performance, an eastern europe inching away, a resurgent russia, the rise of the right conservatives all over europr, donald trump smubbing merkel and macron, v4s rebellion against the eu, brexit all that combined makes rhe eu grow weaker everyday
G (undercover)    
27 Jan 2018  #119
I think you will find that there will be rules/regulations in place to deal with Poland's refusal to comply with rules...

Oh my. Be very afraid :)))
shockedInpoland    
28 Jan 2018  #120
if not...then the EU will take measures to retrieve the money from Poland.......

Utter garbage, the EU doesn't ask for money back from grants and has never done so and has no mechanism to do so.




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