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Poland in the European Union. Polexit?


TheOther 5 | 3,531    
28 Jan 2018  #121
were growing faster than almost any other eu country

You are mostly growing because of the increasing trade volume with other EU members. Leave the union and we'll see what happens. How about losing roughly 70% of your duty free exports to the common market for a start? How about all these corporations moving out of Poland because you've lost easy access to the EU? The Brits are already rethinking their vote for BREXIT. Guess why.

worldstopexports.com/polands-top-import-partners
Wulkan - | 3,280    
28 Jan 2018  #122
How about all these corporations moving out of Poland

Would be beautiful
cms 9 | 1,290    
28 Jan 2018  #123
@TheOther
It is obviously the case that the trade benefits and the subsequent increase in opportunities for Polish business, employment, tax base, economic stability are far greater than the actual amount of the cash recieved.

Sadly that is not obvious to people who see this as a zero sum game and advocate leaving as soon as the EU stops handing us money. None of those posters here were in Poland pre 2004 and have an idea of what it was like in those days. They should watch some of the reruns of M Jak Milosc that TVP is running at breakfast time - see what people wore, drove and ate before the EU and what their houses and streets looked like,.its the best advert for the EU on TV.

The same story in Britain - I read a series of interviews with leavers this weekend and the uneducated ones they still cite the UKs cash contribution as a big reason for leaving, even though Brexit is already costing them 3x the amount of the cash contributed.

But it's difficult to make that case when levels of education are low and attention spans even lower.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,799    
28 Jan 2018  #124
Would be beautiful

For who? Poland can't afford to replace their jobs with domestic ones, which is why unemployment was at 20% in the early 2000's.

I suppose it will be beautiful for you, given that the pound will finally be worth something against the złoty and you'll be able to impress the villagers back home.

How about all these corporations moving out of Poland because you've lost easy access to the EU?

Not only that, but many of the corporations in the service industry rely on freedom of movement of labour. If Poland leaves the EU, they will relocate straight away to somewhere that will continue to offer the same possibility of relocating workers.

But let's not forget that the posters calling for Polexit won't have to live with the consequences of such an action.
mafketis 16 | 6,145    
28 Jan 2018  #125
the posters calling for Polexit won't have to live with the consequences

They're all ideological chicken hawks, wanting tough talk on their pet causes when they won't be touched by the outcome... it's impossible to take them seriously.
Crnogorac3 1 | 330    
28 Jan 2018  #126
EU

This is one of my favorite videos regarding the European Union (aka the new CCCP)

youtu.be/bypLwI5AQvY

The 3rd Communist International in reality has become the 4th International, only its headquarters were shifted from Moscow to Brussels.
cms 9 | 1,290    
28 Jan 2018  #127
Yeah great - Farage has run away and is working on a radio show, his party has all but collapsed and his Brexit is costing his voters thousands of pounds already. Not that he cares about them - in this video he mocks small time bank clerks but those are precisely the sort of hard working people that he managed to con.
Tacitus 1 | 711    
28 Jan 2018  #128
I'll never understand how anyone can take Farage seriously, or even has the slightest respect for him. Especially after reading this interview.

zeit.de/politik/ausland/2017-05/nigel-farage-brexit-ukip-russia-contacts
dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #129
how anyone can take Farage seriously,

Well plenty did and voted for Brexit, I cant wait got the popcorn at the ready and If comrade corbyn gets into power I might get a bottle of coke to go with it.

what a laugh, better than telly.
Ironside 47 | 9,187    
28 Jan 2018  #130
I'll never

hmm.. Germany has close ties with Russia and business deals they are reluctant to abandon. Somehow no one is bringing it up as a sign that Markel and Germany are unfit to lead EU, or to question their commitment to the EU. Funny that.
Tacitus 1 | 711    
28 Jan 2018  #131
Somehow no one is bringing it up as a sign that Markel and Germany are unfit to lead EU, or to question their commitment to the EU

Why should anyone bring up this fact when Merkel has been instrumental in coordinating the European response to Russia's agression? She was always critical of Putin, and she is the only Western politician he actually respects for her strength. No doubt future historians will look at the recent tension between the EU and Russia as a great rivalvry between Putin and Merkel.

If not for her, the EU probably would not have shown any coherent reaction. And why should people doubt the commitment of Germany to the EU, when it is the one country holding the EU together?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #132
She was always critical of Putin

I always thought she was an old commie.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,799    
28 Jan 2018  #133
Quite the opposite. She's the daughter of a church pastor, and her voting record is conservative (against abortion, for instance)
dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #134
a church pastor

Dodgy he moved to east germany, no one got into the commie block without having their nose up the right places I know, they wouldn't let any of the dolno lot in under any circumstances not even a visit.
Ironside 47 | 9,187    
28 Jan 2018  #135
I always thought she was an old commie.

She was raised in east Germany and was one of those less known associates of Thomas de Maizière. Who pulled her from a back tier eastern Germany politician. So technically, yes she was a commie. If she is a commie I know not - probably she is a nihilist.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,799    
28 Jan 2018  #136
Dodgy he moved to east germany, no one got into the commie block without having their nose up the right places I know

East Germany was actually open for West Germans, believe it or not. There was this guy - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Biermann - and there were others. Merkel's father never questioned socialism, nor did he embrace it - you could say that he was very similar to many in the RCC during the PRL too.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #137
Merkel's father never questioned socialism, nor did he embrace it

That explains it , they supported it in their choice to move to and live in the murderous totalitarian regime, with no signs of denouncement.

now if she had spied for the west i would have some respect.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,799    
28 Jan 2018  #138
That explains it , they supported it in their choice to move to and live in the murderous totalitarian regime, with no signs of denouncement.

Polonius did the same, you know.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #139
I asked him about that once, no answer as I say no dolno family member was ever allowed a visa, I think Dougpo also chose to join the commie regime but in his case it is understandable as a socialist, shame it all went wrong for him.
Ironside 47 | 9,187    
28 Jan 2018  #140
f Germany to the EU, when it is the one country holding the EU together?

You are surely kidding here. There is no more divisive country in the EU than Germany.
I just wonder what they are trying to achieve by attacking Poland

Merkel has been instrumental in coordinating the European response to Russia's agression?

By giving OK to build North Stream 2? lol!It must have hit Russia hard, very hard indeed.
Wulkan - | 3,280    
28 Jan 2018  #141
you'll be able to impress the villagers back home.

Yes, because I live in the Oborniki village which means 'Manures' hahahaha



dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #142
There is no more divisive country in the EU than Germany.

Proven by starting and losing two world wars murdering millions, committing genocide on an industrial scale, now the powerhouse of Europe and admired by so many here on the forum and Europe wide.

Poor old Poland on the other hand is the old football that is being kicked around as usual, and portrayed as the bad guy go figure?
Tacitus 1 | 711    
28 Jan 2018  #143
This article will answer most of your questions regarding Merkel:

Putin and Merkel: A Rivalry of History, Distrust and Power

nytimes.com/2017/03/12/world/europe/vladimir-putin-angela-merkel-russia-germany.html

now the powerhouse of Europe and admired by so many here on the forum and Europe wide.

Indeed, interesting how countries and people can change over generations. Kind of gives someone hope for the future, doesn't it?

@Ironside

ou are surely kidding here

Why should I? Without Germany, the Euro would have broken up, and Germany is paying the most for the upkeep of the EU.

I just wonder what they are trying to achieve by attacking Poland

Nobody is attacking Poland, if anything Poland is currently attacking itself by its' irresponsible government. The fact that they are willing to endanger Poland's long-term interest in being alligned to Europe is telling.
Wulkan - | 3,280    
28 Jan 2018  #144
nytimes

- fake news 2017 award winner, just saying
Dougpol1 26 | 2,108    
28 Jan 2018  #145
I think Dougpo also chose to join the commie regime but in his case it is understandable as a socialist, shame it all went wrong for him.

?? Not a communist Dolno - I hated the SLD and Miller. I leave it to you Poles to stupidly put old communists, that you managed to oust at one time, back in power, and also buy Jaruzelski's book by the millions when he should have been lynched by the mob.

A case of the kettle calling the pot black I feel with regard to any left wing inclinations.
You don't get more left wing than handing out 500zl times 4 willy-nilly to every layabout with 5 children who can't provide for them himself mainly because he doesn't get up early enough.

As cms says , you weren't here pre 2004. Poland was a shambles, and would still be so today without the 66 percent that made modern infrastructure possible, plus the multi-nationals with real jobs. Don;t believe me? Ask any professional what he was offered at interview for a multi, and ask him what the Polish competitor offered him. They simply cannnot compete on remuneration. A fact of life, and who cares in the UK if Tesco is British, or jewish, or Swahali? The world has changed. Some people never grow up with it, but luckily money talks.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #146
Not a communist Dolno

I was very careful not to call you a communist (mortal enemy) just a plain socialist (Potential commie but not always) as for the 500zl yes there is a minority that fit the bill of layabout, but go to the UK and you will see what I Mean, no harm in supporting Polish families and new born Polish citizens, better than having to bolster a dwindling population by bringing in migrants and terrorists from bongo bongo.

Mob Beats Man To Pulp For Allegedly Turning Human Into Goat

pmnewsnigeria.com/2018/01/27/mob-beats-man-to-unconsciousness-for-turning-human-into-a-goat

Bongo Bongo Bongo
delphiandomine 87 | 16,799    
28 Jan 2018  #147
Ask any professional what he was offered at interview for a multi, and ask him what the Polish competitor offered him.

My friend just did it. 40% less for the exact same job, plus a strange contract with several provisions that were completely illegal and unenforceable.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,793    :-(
28 Jan 2018  #148
Poland was a shambles

No it wasn't - Poland wasn't/isn't some African or Asian country where the majority of people lived on a dollar or two a day. Even during PRL the average person didn't need for basics like food and clothing. Poland was in shambles after ww2 and in the early prl years - not in the 90's and 2000's. It wasn't as rich as Germany or France but certainly wealthier than Ukraine, Belarus, and roughly equal in standard of living to places like Lithuania, Czechy (slightly richer PPP than PL still but bit poorer than Germany), etc. Plus, many Poles were working in Germany in the 90's just as today especially in agriculture and construction. Almost everyone could afford the necessities of life on a basic salary, even during PRL times, while the more entrepreneurial ones made money outside or even on the system. It was the same in the 90's which considering the change from communism to capitalism was a fairly smooth transformation in Poland which we did without any EU

Don;t believe me? Ask any professional what he was offered at interview for a multi, and ask him what the Polish competitor offered him

Still that way today, bank pekao pays mid level managers 6k+ z's less than the foreign competition.

Just because a foreign company is paying more than the local ones does not make a country in shambles. Also, there was trade from Poland to the same exact partners as today - it's not like we suddenly gained these partners. These have been our trade partners since the middle ages when the migrants begging to get into Europe were living in mud huts - and still are to a great extent. And the EU funds are but a miniscule fraction of Poland's annual GDP - under 3% if going nominally (11 bill a year out of nearly 500 bil gdp). Hence it's 97% of it is our successes as Polish people.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,132    
28 Jan 2018  #149
because a foreign company is paying more than the local ones does not make a country in shambles

certainly not when I was talking to a guy today who has just come home from working abroad, he is happy to take a cut in pay to be home in poland.
Dougpol1 26 | 2,108    
28 Jan 2018  #150
just a plain socialist

PIS are a socialist party economically. What is it about that fact that is so hard to grasp? So what exactly makes me a socialist? If you mean I care about freedoms, then sure. I hate the Katowice police and would set the dog on them, if he could bite, but that's anarchistic, not socialism. I would like nurses and teachers to be paid properly, if they would only help themselves, but that's not socialism. I care about refugees, who are fleeing persecution and death. That's humanism, not socialism. I hate ZUS and unfairly high taxes - that's not socialism.

So, where's the socialism?:))

Just because a foreign company is paying more than the local ones does not make a country in shambles.

Please don't twist my words Dirk - I was so clearly referring to infrastructure pre-2004



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