European News and Poland Thread - part 4

The reasoning of the man with a defective brain.

What jackass wrote this crap?

@Novi
He obviously suffers from TDS as all his posts for the past few months have been diminishing Trump.
I bet anything that he voted for obozo, Crooked Hillary and slow joe too.
Trump is governing America by cleaning up the Dems trash for the last sixteen years by draining the Swamp at mock speed leaving poor Ronny's head spinning.
And why he posts his meltdowns in the European thread shows just how rattled he is.

Hey, Ron, please tell me that you are one of those stupid Euros that spout shlt about the US and Russia all day long because they feel left out...

No American can be that stupid...Lyzko is not an American, btw...so don't mention him...

Wasn't sure about a better place for this....


Of the three tweets only one had anything remotely like a call to violence and that was in a context of self-defense and obviously meant ironically... 'punch' and 'balls' don't normally go together...

And did this person who openly and publicly called for violence face any legal consequences?

x.com/LauraBeckerReal/status/1677817312139935745

GC twitter account MaryCate Devley regularly collects violent rhetoric from 'trans' activists (including Brits) and their 'allies' and AFAIK none of them have ever been questioned by police...

And there's this charming AGP...

x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1859975927008215146

The current transgender 'movement' is an arm of neoliberal policy (now primarily left and not rightwing anymore). Details available if requested.

The current transgender movement is an experiment meant to discover the best way to terrorize the majority through intimidation, fear, and "tolerance" - without a shot fired...

The logic is simple: If the masses can accept that a man can become a woman, they will accept everything...since there is nothing more basic than the concept of a man vs a woman.

Next: Air sucks. Inhale carbon monoxide...It's good for the Earth.

No, I am not nuts...Remember Jim Jones in Guyana? Yes, people are that stupid and that obedient. See Brits and women.

That's quite enough.


Think capitalism. The masses conned into believing that it's somehow acceptable for 'investors' to make more money from someone's job than the person actually doing it!.


As you can probably guess, there's a diversity of opinion there and a degree of debate, although most people aren't much interested.


Most people don't have PR teams funded by toxic billionaires to puke the details all over the media.

Anyway, there's already a thread for terf stuff here without giving a certain narcissist further opportunity to spread their bile.

Yeah, ragged-trousered philantropists and all that. What's the alternative though? We tried communism/socialism - it stinks, and the "third way" has the angry face of Greta Thunberg and Klaus Schwab in a turtleneck telling us that we will have nothing and be happy. F*ck that.

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She is too ugly to be raped by Somalis. So she is an activist.

What did you think of the book?


To understand that Marx was wrong when he described capitalism as monolithic and declining; in fact it metastasises like a cancer. Billionaires and their useful idiots find it easy to gaslight the fearful and easily-led into acting against their own best interests.


Communism maybe. Socialism has one meaning only; workers' control over the means of production. It does not exclude private enterprise however it does of course rein in the worst excesses of the greedy.


It really doesn't. The professional screamer Thunberg has nothing to do with that or anything like it. It's about not for profit enterprises, governments holding a stake in successful companies to reduce the tax burden on workers and to improve infrastructure and services, and social ownership oin the form of co-ops, co-operation between small businesses to achieve economies of scale and employee owned companies (there are some very large and successful ones). And arguably mass share ownership with restrictions to stop large investors buying all the shares from retail investors.


Don't let the internet rightards con you. That term originated as the title of an academic paper criticising the rise of billionaires and mega-corporations. Basically a potential outcome of globalistic capitalism. The only connection to the WEF (a benign meeting of economists of different opinions) is that they published it. They certainly do not endorse such a thing (after all, they published it, a paper written by an economist warning about it), however conspiracy theorists of course twisted that for their credulous online audience.

I liked it.

Socialists are not idiots and some of their ideas actually make sense (not to mention that those ideas would seem to be based on common decency, at least ostensibly). The real world application of those ideas is a different matter altogether though. :-/


Lovely.

Who do I vote for in Poland for all that? Lewica? Razem? Yer havin' a laugh, Jonno. That's the problem - no credible parties or politicians to realistically conduct common decency politics.

Name top three without the ruling mob taking your money or else...

When A can rob B to give it to C...it works until B is out of money or moves...

That's what I've just said - no credible real world parties of politicians.

I didn't much, however the sentiments were noble ones. Try Mary Barton (a real test of reading abilities in English) or North and South (easier but not as shocking. Mrs Gaskell is probably my favourite author. I think you will like it.


In very large part due to relentless, insidious and well funded attacks by people who stand to make a lot of money. That and the useful idiots who help them in the hope that the extremely wealthy might share a stale and mouldy crumb that fell from their table.


In Poland? None, since the political landscape has been well fúcked by a combination of the people who gaslight you, self-seeking careerists and the incompetent. Paradoxically the best bet was probably PiS.

Will do, thanks.


*sighs*

What country has put the means of production in the hands of the workers?

Really.... it, like communism, is at present impossible.

The welfare states (like Scandinavia, the real model that Solidarność wanted for Poland) was/is capitalist.

There's one system that works in the real world - capitalism. But it does need.... managing which some countries do better than others.

Only if you let that happen. Unfortunately there are very capable people who will gleefully destroy anything that stands in the way of personal power and enrichment.

We saw what happened when German corporate millionaires bankrolled a party that they thought would make them even richer.


That is in effect Socialism.

No, it's managed capitalism. If the means of production are privately held = capitalism.

I'm all in favor of things like social safety nets and government built infrastructure and public education and taking into account systemic effects of policy (not done at all in the UK in the 1980s-90s which has led to current third world style inequality*).
But again, name a country where the means of production are not privately held....

*according to a bunch of youtube videos I've seen, the one below is pretty representative

Meaning Socialism.

Within Socialism, private enterprise and investment has always been possible.


If you think that's bad, just wait until Vance and his backers are in charge over there and Meloni, Le Pen and whatever the afd throws up are rewarding their backers in Europe.

De Gaulle had a good idea, the state retaining large shareholding's in successful businesses. That idea is however always under relentless attack from those who are outraged at missing any chance to make a fast buck at the expense of others.

Hopefully AI will eventually kill all the psychopaths and the empathy will inherit the earth. Just don't hold out too much hope of that.

There's a theory that when a narcissist interacts for a long, intense time with AI they unravel mentally....

I, not a narcissist, can't stand interacting with AI....

Thanks. You've given another rabbit hole to fall down and read about for hours..

A.I. can be useful for work insofar as it can do very long tasks quickly though yes, it can be annoying.

Incidentally, it can knock out an Ericksonian Teaching Text (something I personally like and use) for almost any goal in seconds. If it can be used benignly for that, then it can be used very malignly indeed. Though not ChatGPT which is programmed apparently to be nice and ethical.

It's even writing orc propaganda online now. Much harder to spot since there isn't the language transference or avoidance of complex grammar.

1. Charitable capitalism is not socialism. Denmark is not a socialist country...It's a capitalist country that is rich enough to have social programs.

2. Socialism shares poverty, not wealth.

3. Sharing wealth should be voluntary, not at a point of the tax collector's gun.

If you wait for the wealthy to suddenly start to voluntarily share their wealth with you, then you'll be waiting for a very long time

I waited 20 seconds:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charitable_donation_as_percentage_of_GDP

US - 1.44%

UK - 0.54

Russia - 0.34

France - 0.11

Chech Republic - 0.04

Learn facts before posting stupid opinions.

You didn't get any dosh though, did you...


Learn respect for your betters and stop showing yourself up.

Nobody is better.

If you were at least equal, you would comment on the meat of my post.


I never needed any charity.

There isn't any 'meat', It was just a wiejski mądrala type trolling post.

And Ryszard (or should we say Renata now it's been established that he/she is a closet transvestite) seems to think that money deriving from workers's labour is somehow 'charity'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charitable_donation_as_percentage_of_GDP

US - 1.44%

UK - 0.54

Russia - 0.34

France - 0.11

Chech Republic - 0.04

Now Renata/Ryszard thinks that a worker receiving a worker receiving an excellent salary and a society with a social safety net and u oversaw healthcare is 'charity'

She/he is bonkers.

Social safety net is not charity because the taxpayers have no choice.

Charity is always voluntary.

Hence, "charitable giving", not charitable confiscation.