European News and Poland Thread - part 4

Closer to anything relevant, the Dutch government has collapsed again.

The problem is in their southern 'bible belt', the part most hostile to people from other places, including Poland, who've moved there for work.

Why shouldn't they be hostile to those who move to the country and then don't actually contribute to the economy but instead are a drag upon it?

x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/1879634729756135736

Why is being aware of that a 'problem'?

Do Poles in the Netherlands not pay taxes or use shops then? Does their labour not contribute either?

The graph in the post shows Poles make at most a very small net contribution to the economy while Moroccans (for example) take more in social services than they contribute to the economy.

Migrants from France, the UK and US contribute the most. Those from the Horn of Africa (ie Somalis) are the biggest drag on the economy.

Is that a problem?

At least everything is fine in ol blighty

Not especially but it does show the folly of allowing large numbers of Moroccans and Somalis (among others) into a country.... Some blowback against Poles are due to the freeloading ways of non-western migrants for sure.

We're talking about Poles (and I had nasty xenophobic comments made against me there by someone who assumed I was one). What they do about others is their own wisdom or folly. Anyway, give it a generation or so. Not that the native-born Dutch are rushing to do the crap jobs. In a way, it's a toxic combination, a country ruled by organised crime being settled by people who generally do it better than them.


That's on much the same level as those titheads who used to very earnestly tell me that antisemitism in Poland exists because of the Ubeks, as if nobody had ever been a bigot before. The Dutch (especially in the south) have been judgemental since the waters receded from Noah's Flood.


Come on mate, that's an extreme religious fundamentalist youtube channel. What next, "Scientology Today"?

Everything is not fine in blighty but the video you posted was OTT.
Yes, I can see people rising against the current Labour(Socialist) government and certain immigrants(Mainly Muslim) but a civil war?
No, I don't think so.

Give it 20-30 years.


Maybe the alco poles cooked up the dutch queens swans for lunch like in london.

The one we've recently elected with a huge supermajority?

We didn't rise against the 14 years of appalling Tory misrule that did its best to wreck our infrastructure and industrial base as well as flagrant corruption from the likes of Hancock and Mone that are only now being investigated. Nor did we rise against the economic devastation of the Thatcher years with thousands losing their jobs, soup kitchens opening in formerly prosperous mining areas and whole towns in those regions still slowly depopulating even now.

No, all that will rise is our economy, our NHS and our wellbeing.

And what are we basing this prediction on? The infinite stupidity and delusion of fabian socialists is truly something to behold. It's so painful to watch, it's like being in a boat with somebody hellbent on capsizing it and then once they finally do it, they blame you for getting wet.

At least socialist governments give you a very good idea of what hell is like and so you end up going to Church and so yes, perhaps in the long run our wellbeing will improve.

@Luke1410
And your alternative to a right of centre labour administration is what? Your choices are a return to the Tory party that destroyed the economy flooded the place with immigrants, hobbled the NHS super charged graft and cost everyone with a mortgage hundreds every month. The second most obvious choice is Reform, a bunch of swivel eyed chancers wanting to repeat Truss's budget. The current chairman of reform recently claimed he was driving the ghost of his grandmother around in his car, he claimed the grandmother then possessed a former footballer turned medium who tried to strangle him.

Video here x.com/AlexTaylorNews/status/1932892558159425700?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1932892558159425700%7Ctwgr%5Eb4dd15cb17e922d79d387650b053d7cb41f51cf9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsluggerotoole.com%2F2025%2F06%2F12%2Freform-uk-chairman-gets-spooked%2F


The Tories had 14 years in power there is no one to blame for the mess Britain is in except them. Calling Starmer a marxist just wont do it for semi sentient beings, of course Reform think he is...make of that what you will.

Less of the snark.


You don't. Church attendance is haemorrhaging across Europe, including in Poland. This will not change any time soon.


The Fabian Society? As in George Bernard Shaw, John May ard Keynes, Annie Besant, H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell? It still exists today and I used to be a member back in the early 90s. They have an excellent quarterly journal. What is your specific experience of that discussion group?


Enjoy your two days off a week, your statutory paid holidays, your right to vote, your statutory paternity leave, your access to hospitals free at the point of use, your right to divorce, your right not to work 14 hours a day and your free compulsory schooling. All these and much more were obtained for you by socialism. Did you think that the rich gave you all these things out of the goodness of their hearts.

If you're waiting for the rich to share their wealth with you, you'll be waiting for a long time or if you're waiting for terrified and mean-spiriypted conservatives to be less terrified, mean-spirited and conservative, you'll die of old age before you see that.

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Isn't he making things worse in Britain? Tories have done their bit, but Labour are trying to turn that country into a wasteland overrun by Muslims and who knows what.
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No, and it's weird that you think that.


The new government have kickstarted industrial development and are starting (or trying to start) the most ambitious housebuilding project in Europe. The economic indicators are good right now and the currency is strong. They've also managed to work out a trade deal with Trup which doesn't give in to any of the nasty things the trumpists wanted. The only concession is to buy some Boeings for BA which is now foreign-owned anyway.


Overrun? Weird.

And migration has fallen since it increased massively under the Tories who wanted to make money for buy-to-letters and nasty hotel chains as well as undermine society by creating a poor and desperate pool of cheap labour.

You are the same person who claims that Poland's economy is getting stronger and going in the right direction. So, I will take your opinions about such subjects with a grain of salt.
It seems to me that as long as the government adheres to progressive prejudices then in your eyes, everything will go splendidly well.

Do you not see that happening before your eyes?


What do you have against progressive values? Do you want a return to a golden age in the past that never existed?

He seems to be trying to repair the damage.

Britain is not over run with Muslims and if it were the "blame" would lie with the previous regime.

Church attendance has risen by 50 per cent over the last six years, busting the myth of church decline.

The most dramatic church growth is among young adults, particularly young men. In 2018, just 4 per cent of 18-24-year-olds said that they attended church at least monthly. Today, says The Quiet Revival, this has risen to 16 per cent, with young men increasing from 4 per cent to 21 per cent, and young women from 3 to 12 per cent.

Looks like Luke is a prime example.

biblesociety.org.uk/research/quiet-revival

Do you believe them? Those stats are not credible.

Attendance is plummeting in Poland, ever since the death of JP2 and faster yet since Covid.


Why are so many churches around Europe closing?

I'm agnostifc.about it. I thought we were currently discussing the U.K, and the survey was conducted by YouGov so unless it can be disproved? I seen claims based on other studies in regards to Gen Z. maybe it's just youthfull rebellion.

I do think the atomisation and spiritual nihilism of liberalism/late stage capitalism is coming to an end.

I'm hearing that from the states.... especially Orthodox churches are seeing a lot of new attendees, mostly young men.

Most men need a sense of mission to feel fulfilled and simply being a non-believing consumer doesn't do that (and neither do most current progressive goals).

Enter religion, especially more austere ones that require some degree of lifestyle change.

This could change but it does seem to be the current case.

No pendulum swings in the same direction forever and most 'progressive' goals are unattainable and/or deeply unattractive to most people, it's normal that the pendulum starts heading back to the center.

Yet churches are closing down every week. I suspect your stats are inflated by Chinese, Korean and African overseas students.

There's no religious revival. The orthodox (more often than not fake orthodox episcopi vagantes groups) that say they're getting beardy proud boys turning up are deeply reactionary sects, all guns and tradwives.

I believe they are impractical, counterproductive, and contrary to human nature.
They create chaos by design, which can lead to totalitarian rule.
That's my main point.
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However, his solution appears to be worse than the original problem.

So what. Is practically, productive and in line with 'human nature' whatever is?

Can you turn the clock back? And what about the majority of people who like progress?

Conservatives are endlessly trying to recreate a past that never existed.

Progressives are endlessly trying to usher in a future that will never be.

The action is in the middle.... I'm a functionalist in that I'm in favor of policies that improve human life and happiness (taking into account the limits imposed by human nature).

I'm an incrementalist in that sudden changes tend to not increase human life an happiness in the longer term.

I'm an eclecticist in that policies that improve human life and happiness tend to come from different sources.

No.

We want:

safe streets

balanced budget

closed borders

trans slime out of girls' sports

US out of NATO

Progress (def,) - Pride flag in every classroom

Xenophobia (def.) - US flag in every classroom