More or less, a living evidence of my prior claim that US is intentionally creating a nation of morons who without moral or ethical backbone or personal opinion will be easily manipulated and governed
And yet...it isn't me
who believes the (unfounded in fact) status quo, but you. If there is large scale manipulation happening...well, the status quo and most of the voters agree with you
. Now who's the "moron"? Enjoy that next spoon full of pablum.
For you nothing has changed, oil companies get more oil, they can sell more oil but thats for their benefit, not yours.
??? of course oil companies sell oil, who did you expect would sell it, refrigerator
Iraq, like other governments, owns its own oil. If it sells it to companies for resale, that is their decision, not yours or mine. Hence their recent efforts at OPEC to reduce the supply, to allow them more income.
Iraq is also famous for its dates, but somehow I doubt they produce nearly enough to support their economy compared to the oil.
Who are you to decide about sovereignity of other countries?
Wasn't me. Saddam lost in 1991, the UN made restrictions on him, he agreed to them. He was allowed not only to live, but remain in power, so long as he followed those restrictions. He did not. His choice.
So? America is not the friend of ME states, if i was an Iraqi i'd be cheering those jumpers who hopped out of windows since i'd hate you and your people for all the sanctions and Israel support, their support of 9/11 is fully understanble even if not politically correct, they hate you for good reasons so ofc they wont be sad when your people die.
And yet, you are NOT an Iraqi, nor are your views (or mine) necessarily theirs.
UN sanctions left Saddam able to take care of his people, just not so much his war machine.
Like so many dictators in precarious positions of power, his path was unfortunately predictable...the money wasn't spent on people but on Saddam and his sons' ever increasing power, while creating a secret police that grew in ruthlessness in direct proportion to the unhappiness of his people. Your implication of a more Utopian Iraq under Saddam, with everything just peachy under him...is wrong.
No WMDs have been discovered prior to or after the war, US admitted it had no tangible proof which means the country was invaded for another reason, the only other reason is oil
This is a shallow minded argument. You can do better. Finding nothing when inspectors are not allowed to look....proves nothing, other than that inspectors, contrary to the restrictions Saddam agreed to, were not
being granted unfettered access. As for during and after the war...who knows what may be found in the future, but artillery rounds found full of Sarin gas, have already been discovered (5 years ago....) and do qualify.
Not finding a nuclear weapon is not indicative of no WMDs, but short of a nuclear weapon going off, it will receive little coverage unless it is found as a result of efforts by the party favored by a majority of the media, especially during election years. We are still finding things buried and stockpiled left over from the Iran-Iraq war, including MiG fighters
(much larger than a WMD).
Oil? please...there are several here who think everything ever done by America is about oil (or perhaps Israel...or bankers...where's my tinfoil hat) ...who pulled your string?
was the reason for going to Iraq, we would have saved ourselves the trouble of the first war, let alone the last one
...and simply leveraged Saddam to sell
to us at a cut rate (much as Russia was attempting to do prior to the invasion behind the scenes...Putin had a lot of money in Saddam and lost a lot when he fell
). We did not do so
. Iraq is paidfull price
for its oil, although the US is not their primary customer as I understand. Most US oil comes from much closer than the Middle East.
The one thing that scares me is that USA is so powerfull and yet inhabited by mindless drones like you, make no mistake thats not an insult, as far as i can like a nickname on an online forum you evoke sympathy, the problem is that what you're reapiting is basically the same pro-war propaganda spewed by Bush and debunked later, your arguments hold zero factual basis.
I am a mindless drone eh? And yet I put my own name
to my posts. You sir...hide behind the name of a long dead philosopher who you do not represent in the least.
I do my own thinking.
You obviously, do not, and come across as shocked that anyone would disagree with what you, from your armchair, have deemed to be the absolute truth.
You make accusations about me, without backing up them or even your own statements.
I, presumably unlike yourself, have at least a basic
grasp on the US and on our military. I have been
to Iraq for long periods of time and have been shoulder to shoulder with Iraqi soldiers
as well as civilians
Where does your
knowledge come from? a commentator or two who agree with you politically? politicians going through an election?
Some of your information may be correct...but it is at least
as suspect as anything I've written.
Mine? I doubt I will ever convince you
, but then again, your opinion is far more important than facts are, isn't it.
All in all, it strongly looks like JohnP is the end product of establishment brainwashing, and a CIA agent. Of course he'll deny every word of it.
This is the truth -
I were a CIA agent. They make a LOT more than I do; and interestingly...the establishment
is saying the crap YOU
I simply feel the establishment has swallowed a bunch of BS because of its desire to win elections at all cost, and much of what people believe...is based on biased political commentary, while they skim over without seeing the few morsels that are fact.
Iraq bombed the twin towers.Your words, not mine.
I do believe they tossed in cash when the hat was passed, however. Just as Columbus did not sail in 1492 at his
own expense, neither did the hijackers do all of their work with their
US invaded Iraq and conquored the best Air Force, one of the best Navy and some of the mostly highly equipped troops in the world.
I see you still haven't bothered reading, but rather input what YOU think
I (or for that matter, anyone else who agrees with me on some basis
Mocking me does not address my (actual) points. Nevermind I've never even implied
any of the things in this statement.
Iraq had nuclear warheads aimed at the rest of the world.
Nor have I implied this one...although I do believe he either had one or two or was actively trying to get them.
No civilians were killed.Not even this one
...although I did take you and your source to task for making up numbers
imaginary military tactics...
The source claiming millions of civilians killed....the one you and others have referenced in the past...apparently never actually verified
the majority of the casualties they claim, claiming it was too "dangerous" to actually visit the sites of these alleged civilian slayings
Pardon me for thinking this was shoddy work on the part of the reporter, especially considering at that time the US was paying large sums of money to those who indeed had suffered
and could demonstrate this.
The numbers claimed were inflated to a level that would have been difficult to believe even under WWII style total
war, let alone current "you're going to go to jail for murder if the guy you shoot wasn't the one shooting at you" tactics.
Forgive me for my insensibilities here, but where I grew up, that sort of story is called a "Lie".
Iraqis love us for it.
Some do, however I suspect some also resent the fact we could have helped them take their country from Saddam in 1991, and when the chips fell, left them hanging
because the politicos in the UN
wanted to give Saddam another chance, and Pres. Bush (Sr) obliged them. Saddam mowed his people down like grass while the promised help in their revolt...never came, called off the very DAY the fight was to start.
So it is bittersweet to some, especially those who risked and lost the first time...that they would have to wait 12 years with their grief.
Al Quaeda are everywhere.
Again a feeble attempt at mockery by attributing to me things which I have not claimed
Yet you can claim all sorts
of conspiracies, and feel secure that those are completely sane.
Perhaps Al Qaeda are
everywhere...but not as strong as they once were.
Oh sure, many pay lip service...but the ones who'll put their lives on the line, real planners? not so much. Perhaps they're in Iran (or perhaps your basement?) being trained. After all, if you can claim I must be a CIA operative...(simply for disagreeing with your constant attacks on America or her troops or her citizens....where I grew up that was called "patriot
" not CIA but hey...) then I could just as easily claim based on your statements
that you were working for Al Qaeda.
See? It is the same. Hopefully you (and bimber) now see the ridiculousness of these statements.