Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia?

In this new thread I will answer questions that nobody asks.

Question: Why should Poland consider pursuing a strategic alliance with Russia?

Answer:

In a world increasingly shaped by overpopulation, resource depletion, climate instability, predatory financial systems, and growing social inequality, long-term geopolitical value will lie in access to natural resources, freshwater reserves, and habitable territory - areas where Russia holds unmatched advantage. Beyond material considerations, Poland and Russia share deep historical, cultural, and linguistic affinities, as well as centuries of interwoven bloodlines and Christian heritage. An alliance founded on mutual respect would not reduce Poland to a subordinate role, but rather acknowledge its significance as a sovereign partner and regional power capable of shaping a more balanced Eurasian order. In the context of a global cultural crisis and moral fragmentation, an alliance based on shared conservative and spiritual values could help preserve and revitalize the cultural identity of Central and Eastern Europe.

Again, because this is an aspect of utmost importance - strategically, Poland stands to benefit not from being a peripheral outpost of distant powers, but as a central player in a rebalanced Eurasian architecture. A Polish-Russian partnership could act as a stabilizing force across the region, reduce dependency on volatile transatlantic dynamics, and offer a more multipolar alternative to current hegemonic structures. Moreover, historical animosities - though real - need not define the future. Reconciliation, based on truth and mutual respect, is possible and perhaps necessary if both nations are to avoid repeating the cycles of division that have so often weakened them to the benefit of external actors.

Also, in light of previous statements by President Vladimir Putin suggesting that Russia and Germany have historically benefited from direct cooperation and even shared borders, it would be prudent for Polish policymakers to act decisively and preemptively. Rather than allowing Berlin to monopolize strategic dialogue with Moscow - as has happened at various points in European history - Warsaw should position itself as a primary interlocutor and indispensable partner to Russia. Such a move would not only secure Poland's long-term geopolitical relevance but also prevent the re-emergence of bilateral arrangements that have historically marginalized Polish interests. In a rapidly shifting global landscape, passivity risks irrelevance; strategic initiative, by contrast, offers Poland the chance to help shape the future order on its own terms.

.Well, why exactly? Generally speaking, Poles don't get along with Russians. Well, unless they have fun together, with the difference that a Pole starts having fun after a single glass of vodka and a Russian starts after the first bottle of vodka. Well, Russians are more affected by depression and often fall out of windows..... Maybe that's why they need more vodka. 🤷‍♂️

We have already discussed this. Russia does not have a credible offer for Poland. Additionally, given our support for Ukraine and the fact that Russia is waging an asymmetric war against us, they are likely to retaliate against Poland. There is no room for negotiations. Any one-sided diplomatic action would be detrimental to Poland's interests.

We should seek alliances with countries that face the same looming threat from Russia.

There are no "alliances" with r*SSia. Just conquest and mass murder.

You are very obviously nuts!!


Absolutely!


Exactly, Torq is a nutcase...... I have to admit that I did not see that coming.....

That's my understanding too. The Poles I know have expressed complete lack of trust of Russia and Russians from conversations I've had with them. Especially older Poles who grew up under Communism. They wouldn't give them the time of day. I'd say there's a higher chance of Russia invading Poland than the formation of any kind of a Polish-Russian alliance.

Can you ask them who they trust?


Grow up...


Just hateful and stupid...

In decades there, I've only heard two Poles be even slightly positive about r*SSia.

One was half r*SSian and the other had mental health problemss.


This will not happen in the lifetime of anyone reading this.

Even the Warsaw Pact was forced on them under threat of violence.

What about your ol mate who was in Urząd Bezpieczeństwa,? :) Or was he just doing his job or does USSR not count?

Military intelligence. A Colonel and a fairly well known one.

Like many of the military he had to bite his tongue.


Of course. Like the rest of the army, his loyalty was to Poland.

oh WSI? what they did after the fall of communism was just as bad , if not worse.
Just point their snout to where the trough blows.

@amiga500
Fortunately this person was cleared of any wrongdoing.

It's someone you've probably heard of.

By who? Doctor Who? Macierewicz or Kwaśniewski ? LOL

None of those (and I hate to break the news to you, but one is a fictional character)

Anyway, Macierewicz is russophilic pondlife. Kwasniewski is one of the good guys. Last thing I heard, he was living in America.

You/They already answered in a totally boring way. in essence your romantic delusions about brussels and moscow are counter-revolutionary, and in both time-lines you would have/will bee be/been lined up in alleyway and shot in the head.

torq you ***** dumb ass! , strategic alliance with russia? lol don't make me laugh these trio maisto people, hey why you all like dumb like that, ehh? is there something in the water?

*sighs*

You are all, except - surprisingly - Novi, geostrategically blind. Like children in the fog.

The war in Ukraine is inevitably approaching its end. After it ends, there will be another, this time long-lasting, reset between the USA and Russia. Old East-West division is coming to an end. BRICS is history too (and most likely the EU). China, the main rival of the USA, wants to vassalize Russia. America won't let that happen. The reset will turn into alliance.

The East-West division is a thing of the past. Welcome to the new North-South future. The EU with its mindless dogmatism, green idiocy and cultural/demographic suicide will either change profoundly (which is unlikely with the current quasi-Soviet elites) or fall and be marginalized. Within the Great Northern Alliance, Slavia will be an equal in importance and strength ally of America and her satellites. Catholic and Orthodox churches will again be joined after the 1000 years of painful separation and protestant heretics will come back to the united Church.

Think Polexit. Think great Christian civilizational revival. Think the end of wokism in America. Think Poland in alliance with the USA and Russia as a part of global North. But first and formost - just think.

If Russia and the USA have an alliance, why do they still need Poland?

Because of her strategic location and economic-military potential. No reason to leave Poland outside, especially that - as the second largest Slavic country - Poland will be an important part of Slavia bloc within the Great North.

If there is ever an alliance between the US and Russia, they will establish Germany as the gendarme of Europe.

I think this would be a huge mistake.

Insofar as Poland represents an attractive interlocutor and advocate for Russia - it is because it is embedded deeply within EU structures.

It's very nice of course to have Orban and Fico advocating for Russia, but these are small players at the end of the day. Small populations, small economies, and already somewhat marginalized within the EU. Nonetheless - you can see on their example that Russia is willing to reciprocate when someone turns a "human face" in our direction. Whether it's energy, or cash.

Poland is a big country. Large economy. Central position. Your bureaucrats have achieved high positions within the EU's top hierarchy (Tusk). Therefore, Polish support is much more valuable than Orban's or Fico's.

But when it comes to establishing direct links with Russia, I think Poland will have strong competition from the French, Germans, and Italians. These three countries have much more powerful pro-Russian lobbies (chambers of commerce, Russophilic societies, large Russian diasporas, and an institutional history of seeking out partnership with Russia).

I don't think it's realistic that Poland will become suddenly friendly towards Russia. It would be great, and would vindicate Torq's vision (I'm sure), but it just won't happen.

I think Georgia and Ukraine will reorient towards Russia, sooner than Poland will - and that's quite a statement.

Also, I'm not sure Russia is ready to view Poland as an equal partner. I might want this. Some nerds at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and at various Slavic faculties in universities around the country - might want this. But I'm sure that the Kremlin would make some clumsy missteps that would p*ss the Poles off and destroy the chances for any rapprochement.

I think the only way Poland would arrive in Russia's embrace, is if it was somehow significantly hurt by its existing Western partners.

cause you're russian and therefore deluded....

why try to be friends with a violent psychopath who says repeatedly and clearly he doesn't want you to exist?

What?

When has Russia ever stated it does not want Poland to exist?

400 years of common history is proof that Russians don't try to erase Poles. From the Tsars, through the Bolsheviks, and to the present day.

Every Russian understands that Poles are distinct from us - not so with Russian views on Ukrainians and Belarusians.

I think 3 grades of education is enough to understand that you won't be able to shape a Russian out of a Pole. There are too many inherent differences.

You are right.


I don't think that will happen either.You are a Russian dreamer.

This is the truth about Poland's military stance;

Doubt it.

America might be tempted to do that but Russia still remembers what nazism did to Slavia and will never establish Germans as gendarmes of Slavic people.


... a lot of things. They can be friends, partners, allies - yes. But they are not Slavs. Blood is not water.


Ukrainians are our brothers and sisters. We love them deeply. Of this there can be no reasonable doubt.

Having said that, the future of our Ukrainian brothers and sisters will depend on their ability to eradicate all forms of nazism from within their midst. In future Slavia nazism (in any form) will not be tolerated.


Like destroying her energy sector/industry by idiotic green policies, her farming by Mercosur deal, and flood her with thousands of reject migrants from Germany? Like indirectly refusing to acknowledge democratically elected Polish goverment by all sorts of economic pressure? By trying to enforce on her morally rotten standards of sexual deviation? No, you're right, this is impossible and will never happen.

No, but you would be able to shape a Pole out of a Russian.

You can't turn a sculpture back into uncarved stone, but you can do the opposite. You can't turn a diamond back into coal - but you can still turn coal into a diamond etc.

All Slavs, if we allow enough time and proper circumstances, will eventually evolve into the highest Slavic form - Poles. I am currently reading a book by a Polish nun (Bulgarian by birth and ethnic origin) that confirms it, but that's another story.

Russian-Polish friendship will take a very long time to build.

Smolensk put a stop to the attempts of the early 2000s - but that was a very promising period.

We need to do it the same way Chinese-Russian friendship has been developed. Believe me. I was skeptical but it is working:

1) Young people are studying Chinese at all levels

2) People are vacationing there

3) People are sending their kids there to study

4) Russians have overcome their disdain towards Chinese products and consume them now voraciously.

To a much lesser extent, Chinese interest in Russia is also growing.

So back to my thesis - how did we build this relationship:

1) Routine and frequent contacts between our top leadership. Xi has not met anybody more than he has met Putin. Putin only met Lukashenko more frequently than he met Xi.

2) Years of Russia in China, and Years of China in Russia. Sounds stupid - but surprisingly effective. People get to know the other country through these year round festivals involving cultural and artistic exchanges.

3) Effective state propaganda. Russians are through natural disposition wary of the Chinese. So the Kremlin put serious effort into painting this image of them as cuddly and lovable pandas. We need to then brainwash Poles and Russians into discarding their previous apprehensions about each other.

4) You need to put real money behind "people-to-people" exchanges, to build up the core cadre of "Poland Lovers" and "Russia Lovers" that will then go on to evangelize their love. This means sending Russian children to study at university in Warsaw, and sending Polish children to study in Moscow. We need to organize sports matches. We need to organize scientific conferences. Joint archaeological digs. Various cultural symposiums.

If we don't do the heavy lifting, this lofty dream will never come to be.

Let's do the heavy lifting then. For our children and grandchildren. Is it not worth it?

As for the Chinese... OK, cooperate but don't trust; and if you really want to trust, OK - trust but keep a sharp knife close at hand, just in case.

If Mr. Konstantin Ernst at Russia's "Channel 1", gave me the job of making Russians "Pole-mad" - I could do it in 4-5 years.

For some reason I think that's the most effective way to do it. Highlighting Polish actors/actresses, music, and common historical victories on television. People are stupid - and they gobble that sh*t up.

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If I was working for Poland's government - I would inexorably bring up the topic of Bandera - and develop Polish hatred for Ukrainians. This is a formula that seemed to pay dividends in Hungary and Slovakia. Its symmetrical corollary is increased love for Russia.

I would encourage anti-war protests. A very large anti-war protest in Warsaw would do wonders for Russians' sentiments towards Poland.

I would encourage neutrality - at every possible step. This would also be very resonant for Russians.

I would fund campaigns against green energy, and Euroskeptic parties.

I would publish constant documentary films that would familiarize modern generations with life in the PRL - through a favorable light.

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These methods may be unsavory - but I think it's how it works.

It's pretty what they spend part of all those billions on.

And it hasn't worked.

Or let's rather say: Slavs are kind-hearted - and it's easy to rekindle love in their hearts.


Feasible.


Or let's rather say: Polish enmity towards alien nazi elements in Ukrainian society.

You need to work on the way you formulate certain thoughts if you want to be effective in propaganda, Bobi.


But feasible and quite effective.


Hasn't it?

The increasing popularity of Konfederacja and Braun would seem to point to a different conclusion.