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Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy.


Crow 139 | 8,566
24 Jan 2020 #271
That Greta speaks for Germany and I like when venerable Tramp challenged her sick childish charade. German attempts to impose control on others is prevented.
johnny reb 23 | 4,467
24 Jan 2020 #272
we need to have the debate about nuclear fuel in Poland but politically very difficult

That's because the Polish hate change for one and the other is that they like to have their ice cream and eat it too.

I like when venerable Tramp

Crow, I have heard Donald called a lot of names but never a tramp. :-/
Crow 139 | 8,566
24 Jan 2020 #273
Oh! I apologize. Its Trump of course. Our trump card against incoming eco-terrorists.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
24 Jan 2020 #274
I wonder how many of the sh*ithole eco-thieves of the anticipated US money that never came already spent it on hoes and trips to Vegas.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
24 Jan 2020 #275
???
Can you write it normally? Besides knowing that you want to offend certain people I have no idea what you ate talking about
Crow 139 | 8,566
24 Jan 2020 #276
So sinister. Western Europe is Sodom and Gomorrah of our time and that Greta is evil eye child of sin. Poor manipulated brainwashed child.

I hope USA, Russia, China, Israel and Vatican finally agreed to scre* western Europe. Do we now understand why Trump gave few candies to Macron and Merkel.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
24 Jan 2020 #277
I have no idea what you ate talking about

I will be happy to explain. The eco scam has only two objectives: globalist control and wealth distribution from the "rich" like the US to all those sh*itholes all over the globe "to help them go green" and as a compensation for all the carbon bad whites sent into the air. Not an exact quote, but the gist of it.

Once Trump told them to go to hell, the eco scam was no longer all that fun it was supposed to be. So, now, the ugly Swede is their best card to play - through guilt and intimidation. Like, how dare you to be mean to a sweet little girl who cares.

I remember how the globalist scum played the crying girl scam at the UN telling the world about the mean Iraqis in Kuwait.
cms neuf - | 1,573
24 Jan 2020 #278
One other aim - stop us being reliant on fundamentalists and ex KGB gangsters and deal with normal people who drink beer and live in democracies.
Crow 139 | 8,566
24 Jan 2020 #279
???

Lenka sestro, are you THAT naive?
Lenka 3 | 1,952
24 Jan 2020 #280
Omg, not another Trump rant...

As to the rest how choosing cleaner and more eco friendly energy sources in Poland is wealth distribution? Actually scrap that, I'm not interested
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
24 Jan 2020 #281
One other aim - stop us being reliant on fundamentalists and ex KGB gangsters and deal with normal people ....

Sober up and re-post in more coherent English.
AntV 2 | 192
13 Feb 2020 #282
European energy prices are obscene! If Europe started fracking, different ballgame. If I recall correctly, Poland had some fracking success but had the EC hammer come upon their heads.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,752
13 Feb 2020 #283
European energy prices are obscene!

How obscene are they? I love that 2.75 per gallon in the Chicago burbs. And then there are the registration fees in Poland that are even more so if the car has an eight-banger.
AntV 2 | 192
13 Feb 2020 #284
I was in Poland mid-Dec through mid-Jan and gas for the car was a little above 5 PLN per liter. Household electricity costs are around .25 euro cents per kwh, that's double the US average. Germans pay about .31 euro cents per kwh. Natural gas on average is something like $6.50 per gallon, whereas US is below $3. What's so frustrating about this is that Europe is sitting on an ocean of oil and has plenty of coal to lower energy prices.

I live in Cincinnati and gas was $2.05/gallon today.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,051
14 Feb 2020 #285
Household electricity costs [in Poland] are around .25 euro cents per kwh, that's double the US average.

This is not true. The overall mean price for household electricity in Poland is 0,55 zł per kWh. This price comprises:
- electricity - 0,18 zł
- VAT - 0,10 zł
- excise duty - 0,04 zł
- local taxes - 0,02
- distribution - 0,12 zł
- transmission - 0,09 zł
-------------------------
Total - 0,55 zł

One euro is 4,24 zł which means that 0,55 zł is roughly 13 eurocents which means it is twice as less as you have indicated, Genius.
zaradnyfinansowo.pl/ceny-pradu/

please tell my (in your humble opinion) just why you are calling me a liar

You'd better thank him for not calling you a soviet, Johnny.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
14 Feb 2020 #286
and has plenty of coal to lower energy prices.

Poland doesn't have that much, and it requires heavy state subsidies for it to be mined. From a commercial point of view, most mines in Poland aren't viable.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
14 Feb 2020 #287
Polish coal dust (miał) is more expensive than proper coal from Russia... Our coal is simply burried too deep. It is good as a emergency measure but economically it's crap
Joker 1 | 1,552
14 Feb 2020 #288
It is good as a emergency measure but economically it's crap

Not to mention how much the air in Poland stinks during the wintertime.

What about the coal ban, did this slip your mind as well?

Household stoves burning coal are responsible for an estimated 88% of the Poland's non-industrial air pollution - and almost half of particulate matter pollution in Krakow, pictured here ( 3rd most polluted city in Europe) This was back in 2015 and doesn't seem like much progress has been made since.

Happy VD if you can catch your breath:)



Lenka 3 | 1,952
14 Feb 2020 #289
What about the coal ban, did this slip your mind as well?

Of course it did. And Krakow as well (they took some measures). The problem remains that people don't like to/can't pay more. They will have to at some point though.

Right now the gov is trying to please the miners by spending a lot of money on coal magazine for the coal they cannot sell (because it's so expensive)
AntV 2 | 192
15 Feb 2020 #290
One euro is 4,24 zł which means that 0,55 zł is roughly 13 eurocents which means it is twice as less as you have indicated,

The European average is .25 euro cents--give or take a euro cent or two.

Poland doesn't have that much, and it requires heavy state subsidies for it to be mined.

26 Billion metric tons is pretty big. statista.com/statistics/237096/proven-coal-reserves-of-the-top-ten-countries

Why does it require heavy subsidies?
cms neuf - | 1,573
15 Feb 2020 #291
Because it is buried deep, and in areas where lots of people live means no subsidence protection is also very expensive.

There are energy security benefits to keeping coal and as a taxpayer I am ok with gradually winding them down but at the moment with plenty of other work available we don't have to devote so much public money to paying those miners
AntV 2 | 192
15 Feb 2020 #292
Our coal is simply burried too deep. It is good as a emergency measure but economically it's crap

OK, that makes sense why it's not worth mining.

What about oil and gas fracking in Poland? I recall there was some real promise there, but EU regulatory pressures got in the way. True or not?
cms neuf - | 1,573
15 Feb 2020 #293
No - it was more like the geology not bring favorable. About 30 licenses were issued but half of them closed down operations. I think with the increases in land prices and labor costs in Poland over the last 5 years it would be tough to make money.

The EU has regulated it but not banned it.
AntV 2 | 192
15 Feb 2020 #294
I see. But regulations can make things very pricy, even if a thing isn't banned You have any idea what the financial impact of those regulations are?
cms neuf - | 1,573
15 Feb 2020 #295
No - but most of the people who pulled out (Conoco etc) did so before the regulations anyway. Not sure what PGNiG are doing - also think they haven't had much commercial success with that
AntV 2 | 192
15 Feb 2020 #296
Oh, OK. I wonder if the lack of commercial success is due to burdensome regulation. We experienced such burden here in the US. My understanding is that Europe is sitting atop a significant amount of shale gas and oil. If that can be harvested, it would change the energy game. Although, it would **** Russia off and they might want to invade or something.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
15 Feb 2020 #297
people who want to sell it and make buck or two are telling lies to make such a transaction possible

And all that unsold coal is just a fantom?

Miners seems to be getting their extra pay now. 14th pay as they call it. ..
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
15 Feb 2020 #298
I wonder if the lack of commercial success is due to burdensome regulation

In the case of Poland, the problem isn't even regulation, but actually accessing it. It's simply unprofitable, and the Polish government (already heavily subsidising coal mines) has no interest in subsidising it. The Americans are blessed with very favourable geological conditions, but in Poland, it isn't the case.

Furthermore, many deposits are in places where it would be a no-go to even attempt drilling.

Miners seems to be getting their extra pay now. 14th pay as they call it. ..

Ironside is obviously cheering this on, because he's not the one paying for it.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
15 Feb 2020 #299
Doesn't mean meaning coal in Poland is not economically viable.

How can it be economically viable if you can't sell your product? And that with the help from government? The mines would go down years ago if it weren't for the politicians fearing the miners
Ironside 49 | 10,282
15 Feb 2020 #300
Doing other things.

Sorry, I actually meant to ask - what gives you're back after all that time? But I was cut short.

How can it be economically viable if you can't sell your product?

You cant sell product become people can buy cheap alternative from imports. Also coal is that expensive partly due to indirect and direct taxes that are cumbersome in Poland for any business. Gov has no money they take them from taxpayers and then some of it they give back and call gov aid. If not BS system those mines would be selling their coal like hot cakes.

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