Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns

We didn't launch a second war on them, CK, Putin did. You couldn't accept the first loss given the strategic importance of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingusetia to you. CK, why did the Chechens fight so ferociously?

Bere who?

Nonsense. Bereza launched it.


It is simple. They just cannot perceive civilization, but we ought to teach them even against their will.

Who is Bereza?

No, that wasn't the reason and you know it.

Berezovskiy (Birch)

That tells me nothing, really. What did he do?

Why not Chechen Congress meet in Grozny?


Yes, correct.

I do not see why Russians just bomb the building and blame on Al-Qaeda or just create a new like “ Russians for word dominance “ organization and list it as terrorist organization as neo nazi blame them for killing the Chechen Congress in Poland, then promises to fight terrorist home and abroad, and who in the world will object to fighting terror.

Witnessed that? Come to Russia and testify in court... we'll imprison these bastards! The Russian people will owe you.

Though I would like to see those times when all Chechen bandits will choose Poland as their lawful territory, how Poles will appeal to Russia demanding rescue. That would be fun, really.

GROM would wipe the floor with them. The Polish police are hard nuts too and wouldn't hesitate to deal them their fate. Anyway, that's academic as Poland has done them no wrong.

It seems Chechenya was pacified. Nothing in the news, except for sporadic reports about minor clashes in the mountains.
But the ferment is brewing and will again explode one day or another.

It does explode occassionally. The Russians simply don't consider them Russian and that says it all.
The government cared to invest into military annexation but it didn't spend a copeck on bringing their cultural level up.

This situation has continued in this cyclical way for so many decades. When one reads Tolstoy's tale Hadji Murad, and compares it to the situation today, one is amazed at how little has changed in the last two centuries.

Yes, there was a suicidal attack a few days ago.

pl.euronews.com/2012/08/06/zamach-w-czeczenii/


But Chechens don`t want to be considered Russians.


Well, the destroyed city of Grozny has been rebuilt. It cost Russia a few billions of dollars, half embezzled by Russian generals and local Chechen collaborators. :):):)


Exactly.

True, unless money talks like they do in say the US.
Anyway, I rather meant their cultural conditions.


One may as well read Lermontov on the issue. Indeed it will never change. The Russians are badly lacking entrepreneural spirit to turn them into what the Hispanics are in the US.

P.S. It's nice to see people who still read classical literature.

It looks as if Chechnya will be independent again soon.

r*SSia doesn't have a great future, does it...i

It does not and even the head of the Wagner Group is saying that if the war in Ukraine continues for much longer,a revolution is possible.

Yes, and Wales too. But not before Texas becomes free once again.

Yes, when Russia falls apart, the whole world will breathe a sigh of relief, and a few other dwarf dictators will freeze in horror.

No, since 1. Only about 20% of us Welsh people support independence and 2. Other parts of the UK last invaded Wales in the fourteenth century. Not three times in living memory. Nor have they installed a particularly brutal puppet government.


Indeed. The world does not need r*SSia.

I did not realize you were Welsh. It seemed always that you were a Northerner, from the coal country.

Everyone writing about Chechnya has not the slightest clue what they are arguing.

If you want a Chechnya free of the Russian yoke, prepare yourself for an enemy that will make the Taliban and ISIS seem like kindergarten - and much closer to Europe.

We are actually doing quite well with the Chechens, probably the best relationship we've had in 170 years.

If the best relationship in 170 years is invading them twice and committing mass murder and precipitating yet another refugee crisis, it seems you should have worked a little harder at building up a more positive relationship.

The Chechens I've known in Warsaw have all, without exception, been normal people.

ISIS? The Taliban? You forget that there are fewer than a million Chechens left. And that was before Putler's puppet leader sent so many of their young men to certain death in Ukraine

A bit more than a million.

One Chechen is worth ten Afghans, and twenty Tunisians. They are given leadership roles wherever they go, and the other mujahideen treat them as nothing less than Gods walking the Earth.

You Brits have the Gurkhas, and we have the Chechens.

They're made of different material.

Does that mean you can buy them?

Many have tried, few have succeeded.

The price Putin pays to ensure Ramzan's loyalty, is considered by some to be more than we can afford.

He will remain Putin's dog of war, while Putin is in place. For one reason, or another, he is terrified of Putin. Who can manage him or talk to him after the "Big Man" is gone, is a big question.

Had, given the number of them dead.

Not that there's any comparison since the Gurkhas are highly trained and observe the rules of war.

The inevitable war crimes trials will be interesting to watch

Haha - the Ghurkas are savages, just like the Chechens!

I mean this in the best possible way

Met any have you?

They're very disciplined and cultured.

After r*SSia is defeated, perhaps we should hand Putler, Lavrov, Simonyan, Peskoc, Pighozin and the rest over to people in the Caucasus. The Beslan families for example.

Huh? Are you talking about the incident where a crazed Chechen warlord captured a school on Sept. 1st - the first day of school - and then killed 200 kids, plus one hundred adults?

I ask because the way you are talking about it makes me think you either are referring to another event, or have suddenly decided you want to abandon the good side of the human race.

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With that one, where orcs were shooting indiscriminately, recollections certainly vary.