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THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY


Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,711
6 Sep 2010 #151
Of course they did, but at the time America wanted a quick end to theatre combat in Europe, they had bigger problems on the horizon.

You mean with Russia?

That would make no sense...
dtaylor5632 18 | 1,999
6 Sep 2010 #152
You mean with Russia?

Erm, I mean they wanted to end war in Europe as soon as because of the problems in Asia.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
6 Sep 2010 #153
Exactly, BB.

Let's get this back on track. I doubt GROM would have fared much better given the positions of Al Qaeda. America doesn't seem to make the best use of air assaults and detection technology. With what they have, their job should be much easier. Poland wouldn't have the means but they have the skills.

BB, many narrowly escaped death. Watch Situation Critical (yes, on Youtube) :)
Marek11111 9 | 808
6 Sep 2010 #154
I have a question to moderator
Why are some of my posts are missing ?
How you decide on deletion process ?
Why you censoring discussion ?
Ironside 51 | 12,462
3 Oct 2010 #155
the reality is grim, indeed!
Marek11111 9 | 808
3 Oct 2010 #156
I would hope Poland would not be stupid to start wars that they can not finish like united states or Russia
richasis 1 | 418
3 Oct 2010 #157
Ideally, the United States will start the wars and Polish soldiers will fight them with her.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
3 Oct 2010 #158
You are advocating war, richasis? I must say, your last 2 posts have me confused. I always agreed with what you wrote before but it's like you are another person now.

The Polish Army should be more defensive in nature.
richasis 1 | 418
3 Oct 2010 #159
You are advocating war, richasis?

Oh gosh, heavens no, Seanus ... that was my (now obvious to me) failed attempt at 'sarcasm'.

My point was that however unfortunate it would be for Poland to start a war it could not finish
(in theory), it is more unfortunate that it's helping to fight a war it didn't even start (in reality).

My sarcasm can be a bit wry plain-spokenly; I may do well to refrain from it altogether, textually.
Seanus 15 | 19,672
3 Oct 2010 #160
I thought as much. The Poles should stick to missions like PolUkrBat conduct. They help save the lives of people and tend not to take them.
nomen 2 | 15
12 Jul 2012 #161
Germany has been occupied by the U.S. for 67 years. There is zero chance they will become an independent actor whilst occupied. When the last yanks leave Doucheland, then you can start to worry.

Russia does whatever they want as a nuclear power. Given the choice between WW3/global nuclear war and sacrificing Poland, "the West" would absolutely sacrifice Poland. At the end of the day each sovereign nation is on it's own and must be able to secure that sovereignty via force.
p3undone 8 | 1,132
12 Jul 2012 #162
Nomen,I agree with your assessment.
Hipis - | 227
13 Jul 2012 #163
Why the hell doesn't Poland have mandatory conscription anymore?

I think we have enough problems with football hooligans without giving them military training for two years :D
czar 1 | 143
9 Aug 2012 #164
are plastic poles allowed to fight in the polish army, i read it somewhere in a hemingway novel that you had a choice to fight for your adopted country or choose the mother country, maybe a farewell to arms"

wonder about immigration laws and language barriers.

i guess in terms of world war, poland would be occupied anyway and polish refugees would fight for allied countries.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,854
9 Aug 2012 #165
i read it somewhere in a hemingway novel that you had a choice to fight for your adopted country or choose the mother country, maybe a farewell to arms"

i wouldn't believe anything written by that dreadful old knut
czar 1 | 143
9 Aug 2012 #166
i believe you
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
9 Aug 2012 #167
How strong is Poland's army as of today? Could they handle an attack on their territory (ex. Germany, Belarus. I know Russia would obviously be a problem.)

It could handle a Lithuania or Czech Rep, maybe Belarus but not Germany or Russia. Poland never had a large standing army (with the exception of Polish People's Army 400 thousand strong). It's mostly relying on military alliances (NATO, the US) and hoping the International Community wont allow it's sovereignty to be taken. In all honesty large standing armies have rather become a thing of the past. Poland only really needs 120-150 thousand professional soldiers with a decent amount of modern equipment to successfully defend itself.
jon357 74 | 22,396
9 Aug 2012 #168
It could handle a Lithuania or Czech Rep, maybe Belarus but not Germany or Russia.

It's part of the EU and NATO so that won't happen.

Poland never had a large standing army

In the PRL and until very recently, their army was larger than many European countries with larger populations.
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
9 Aug 2012 #169
It could handle a Lithuania or Czech Rep, maybe Belarus but not Germany or Russia

penn'
You may be missing the point. European Armies are now being shaped not to *handle* outside forces but simply to *handle* the citizens of Europe...........

Britains standing Army in a year or two will actually be smaller than the entire contingent we sent to Iraq in 03.....
legend 3 | 659
9 Aug 2012 #170
Poland did have large armies even during the 3partitions time period.

At the beginning of WWII, only Germany, France, Russia and Italy had more.
Britain and Poland had roughly the same (IN EUROPE).

Germany
1939- 1.5 mil (9 panzer divs each with 328 tanks, 8 support battalions and 6 artillery batteries)

France
1939- 900k plus (5 mil trained)

Britain
1939- 897,000 men including reserves.

Soviet
1939- 1.8 mil

Poland
1939- 1,000,000; 250,000(mobilized_week1), 250,000(mobilized_week2), 500,000reserves

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As for the modern armed forces, Poland is roughly in the same spot as in WWII (IN EUROPE) except now relations with neighbors are better and Belarus border.
isthatu2 4 | 2,694
9 Aug 2012 #171
Britain1939- 897,000 men including reserves.

In the entire world actually,not just IN EUROPE as you have claimed obviously trying to say why didnt that many men come instantly to Polands aid......well, because most of them were thousands of miles away .

In September 1939, the army had a total of 892,697 officers and men in both the full-time regular army and part-time Territorial Army. The regular army could muster 224,000 men, who were supported by a reserve of 173,700 men. Of the regular army reservists, only 3,700 men were fully trained and the remainder had been in civilian life for up to 13 years.[10] In April 1939, an additional 34,500 men had been conscripted into the regular army and had only completed their basic training on the eve of war.[11] The regular army was built around 30 cavalry or armoured regiments and 140 infantry battalions.[12] The Territorial Army numbered 438,100, with a reserve of around 20,750 men.[11] This force comprised 29 yeomanry regiments (eight of which were still to be fully mechanized), 12 tank and 232 infantry battalions.[12]
czar 1 | 143
9 Aug 2012 #172
In the entire world actually,not just IN EUROPE as you have claimed obviously trying to say why didnt that many men come instantly to Polands aid......well, because most of them were thousands of miles away .

i thought 0 came to aid plus a few missed airdrops.

as transportation and technology advances so do the borders; house to house to town to town to state to state and so on.

im pretty sure if newjersey could go to war with new york we would ;P
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
10 Aug 2012 #173
penn'
You may be missing the point. European Armies are now being shaped not to *handle* outside forces but simply to *handle* the citizens of Europe...........
Britains standing Army in a year or two will actually be smaller than the entire contingent we sent to Iraq in 03.....

I think you've misinterpreted the point you were trying to make isthatu2, *handle* citizens? keep them in check, put down revolts!?? Or do did you mean to protect it's European citizens? What I meant was that there's no telling what might happen in a 'united' Europe, every country is looking out for it's own interests. Besides Poland isn't only bordered by EU states. Off the record politics sometimes play a deeper role then a alliance on paper. The Lithuanian president said that Poland's foreign policy has changed and it chose to ally itself with Russia! That Poland and Russia are bypassing Lithuania. Closer economic ties, I believe that the Russian citizens of the Kaliningrad exclave will be allowed (or already are) to travel to Poland without visas. Going back to Poland's Armed Forces, President Komorowski has stated Poland's own plans for the military. This is what he said ' Poland needs its own missile defense shield while the agreement with the United States on the deployment of an anti-ballistic-missile defense system on its territory was "a mistake," ""We must have this element of the Polish defense [missile defense system]. Spending large sums on military hardware is actually meaningless if it is not secured from... the missile attack and air raids," Such a missile and anti aircraft defense system would cost roughly 15 billion dollars.

en.ria.ru/world/20120804/174979250.html

Shield in Poland is not a new idea . Americans for several years want such installations have just with us , but not necessarily so , to protect our country . A Bronislaw Komorowski is clear : shield - yes, but to protect Polish . And that's consistent with NATO system , which will be built in the future.

The idea of President praises military expert Wojciech Luczak . In his opinion, the proposal would balance Bronislaw Komorowski ideas for American anti-missile shield.

Lonman 4 | 109
10 Aug 2012 #174
1) Proffessional army is better and cheaper than conscription.

Of course history has show this to be true. :) I do believe that the only universal idea that is understood is that strength of arms is an important part of national security and being respected.

Also I feel Poland is on the right track by slowly modernizing its arms. Though could use with a bigger more updated air force and navy.
Szlachcic - | 36
12 Aug 2012 #175
Why the hell doesn't Poland have mandatory conscription anymore?! What do they expect to do if there was a conflict? Use weekend warriors? Are there actual benefits to having a professional army?

I ponder this all the time.

the army was definitely much larger in PRL
Marek11111 9 | 808
14 Aug 2012 #176
Start issuing weapons to all citizens and require all citizens to learn how to shoot, mandatory range visit every year.
legend 3 | 659
15 Aug 2012 #177
I would increase active armed forces personnel by 50,000 (just the active folks or both active and reserve).
Should improve relations with Russia/Ukraine/Belurus.
Stay out of places the Middle East just to satisfy Zionist and American Neocons.

I ponder this all the time.

the army was definitely much larger in PRL

youtube.com/watch?v=CmgFqkWIUgM

Also I feel Poland is on the right track by slowly modernizing its arms. Though could use with a bigger more updated air force and navy.

I agree here. Polish land/ground forces are actually fairly professional and large compared to most of Europe.
For the navy I would get like 3 more submarines and increase the amount of frigates or corvettes (whichever have a better price/performance).
The air force could use another 50 fighter jets and 50 helis from the data im looking at.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
15 Aug 2012 #178
The Polish Armed Forces will get rid of all T-72 and PT-91 tanks by 2018. The 128 Leopard 2A4s in it's arsenal will be upgraded, a prototype of a Leopard 2 upgraded to A7 standards is expected this year. The Polish arms manufacturer Bumar is expected to produce a Polish Infantry Fighting Vehicle to replace the obsolete BMP-1s, the army expects roughly a thousand such vehicles. The army will also receive 500 new tanks, most likely the Polish Anders tank.

janes.com/products/janes/defence-security-report.aspx?ID=1065970576&channel=defence
ekonomia24.pl/artykul/920260.html?p=1
Ironside 51 | 12,462
15 Aug 2012 #179
Also I feel Poland

feel? do you feel your way to the toilet as well

I can say only - don't be ridiculous and use your brain.

Especially pennboy!
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
15 Aug 2012 #180
Especially pennboy!

Come again? wtf r u talking about? we're discussing the future of the Polish Army.


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