Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 28

Yes, from today it is called "Very Special Military Operation". 🙉

....and it doesn't look good:


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...just stop it!

The 20 deaths per sqm is insanity - I can't think of any conflict so costly since WW1 - maybe the Iran/Iraq war.

The fact that the North Nigerian people are not out on the streets just shows how morally decayed they are - complete pitiful peasants who do not even care about their own children's lives.

Yeah....absolutely crazy....

The main and direct reason for why so many people are dying - is because Western governments continue to funnel billions of dollars and untold amounts of weapons into the conflict.

Without a plan. With no definition of success. And increasingly without taking into account the views of their own populations or the population of Ukraine.

This could have ended in Istanbul - 3 and a half years ago.

There is a plan - send weapons for Ukrainians to defend themselves against an illegal invasion by disgusting war criminals

There is a definition of success - North Nigerians out of Ukraine, with reparations and never invading anyone again

Their populations have a vote (unlike the North Nigerian serfs) and can write to their congressmen if they disapprove.

Democracies who don't want to be involved have stepped away (like Slovakia). No problem with that - if they think that's the side the bread is buttered.

Totally crazy to claim that this is the fault of the West. Putler could step away tomorrow

And the "so many people" dying are mainly North Nigerian volunteers or mercenaries who joined a genocide for money - who cares about them ? Certainly not their parents. They can face the consequences

The one and only reason for the history books will be the man in the Kremlin who gave the order to start the war and invade a peaceful neighbour....no other reason(s) will be acknowledged, ever.... believe me!


The West did the same for Stalin and the Sovietunion...for one reason only, if Hitler would be done with Russia they feared they were next, with no hope of real resistance!

If the West would stop supporting Ukraine, Putin could get even more cruder ideas! They are fighting our war....

... is the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine.

Everything else, as BB rightly says, is secondary.


Not 'could' but definitely 'would'. Even today they have the cheek to demand NATO forces out of Poland and other Central European countries, and for Poland to stop arming herself; and that's in year 4 of the (very) special military operation. Imagine what they would demand if they actually managed to conquer Ukraine!

OMG! russian cope has shifted to old russian disinfo from years ago!!!!

Hilarious!

Is because r*SSia started a war there and continues it.


Exactly.

Ukraine had not the resources to fight us in a protracted conflict.

In addition to what I wrote above:

Just a few weeks ago, the EU authorized a further $90B facility to keep Ukraine in the war longer. This pays the salaries of state employees, pays for state procurement, pensions, etc.

You export electricity to them, to negate the effects of us disabling their power plants.

You provide avenues for their export - to negate the effects of Mariupol, Berdyansk, Nikolayev, and Odessa not being able to act as traditional conduits for their exports through the Black Sea and on to the Mediterranean.

You let them import anthracite coal and coke - to allow their metallurgical factories to continue working and earning them hard currency.

Ukraine would have collapsed in the first year of the war - if your governments minded their business and did not interfere.

A Ukrainian state collapse would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

All the more reason to not invade a major European state. Just cause Russian planning relies solely on American plans, diplomacy and activities.

Does not mean Europe is bound to turn a blind eye if America decides to do so. Europe is not a American lapdog, wether your most paranoid people believe it or not.

Russia should switch out her leadership or continue losing more men in Ukraine. Problem is, Russian leadership doesn't mind wasting men that could potentially rebel against Moscow tho!

So stalemate it is until Russia cleans up her own house in order. Nobody else gonna do it for her

U.S.A is busy in Venezuela

Once a state launches a war of conquest, in the 21st century in the middle of Europe, it becomes everyone's business. Helping Ukraine isn't interference in Russia's internal affairs - it's helping an attacked country to resist external aggression.

Ukraine did not choose to test whether it could survive without help. Russia chose to test whether the world would tolerate conquest. It's really as simple as that, Bobi. It's about demanding the right to conquer weaker neighbors without consequences. F*ck that. "All help for Ukraine!" was the right kind of reaction to what happened.

Besides, it would take a very special kind of retard to believe that after conquering Ukraine, Russia would just stop there.

Well, it's better for them if the Russians ask for it to give it to them than to continue the war because in the end the Russians will take it again and a few more million Ukrainians will die and twice as many will emigrate and their birth rate will be halved and the Russians will take it anyway. The Ukrainians cannot defeat the Russians. The only reasonable solution since 2012 is peace with Russia. Back then, all they needed for peace was neutrality, they would have kept even Crimea. In the end, after a few million dead, a destroyed country, half the population lost, 25% of the territory and 75% of the birth rate, they will declare victory and celebrate while the West takes all their resources, forces them to celebrate gay parades and settles them with millions of migrants while they celebrate a magnificent victory against Russia while they don't have birth rates for 10 million people. And many Polish Forums users will celebrate the same thing with them, this magnificent victory of Ukraine

Why would we let our friends and neighbors be overrun by drunk rapist war criminals ? Peace in Europe is our business so we can get on with our prosperous lives.

Any Ukrainian surrender would also be accompanied by Szrebrenica type massacres which would cost many innocent lives.

So then stop the schizophrenia of pointing out "Kiev in 3 days" and "Bakhmut/Soledar/Avdeevka/Severodonestk/Mirnograd/Pokrovsk still stands".

You understand perfectly well that Ukraine would be dead and gone by now - yet you continue to poke the bear with your school-level trolling.

All it reveals is your fear....

Russia is not fighting 40 million Ukrainians, but also 450 million Europeans who cover themselves with Ukrainian corpses - so they may continue their way of life.

Be honest about the price that is being paid.

Stop comparing with Venezuela which receives 1/100th of the help, or Iran, or Syria.

You put everything on the table - making your militaries naked in the process - and this makes your cheap bravado especially hollow.

I thank Trump for making apparent your absolute impotence with the Greenland story - as we remain busy in Ukraine and you can continue your schoolyard jokes. Finally someone came from the other side - from the West - and slapped you in the face. Maybe this will wake you up, and make you realize what self constructed bubble you have been living in.

Impotent ? Sounds like a superpower whose army spends 2 years trying to capture a market town using quad bikes, horses and Eritreans whi thought they were going to work as officer cleaners.

You think North Nigeria would still be fighting if it wasn't for your allies - Iranian fundamentalists, starving Koreans and your Chinese frenemies LOL

That is extremely doubtful.....

That all reminds about the treatment of Hitler in the beginning, you can't satisfy such "leaders", they want ALWAYS more....not to mention that it had been Ukrainians fighting the Germans the most and the worst on their way to Moscow! ;)

The Hitlerite coalition spent nearly two years defending a small provincial town outside of Moscow (Rzhevsk Salient).

You know how that story ended.


What?

The same Ukrainians that surrendered 200-300K at a time, and gave up large cities without a battle?

Outside Moscow, and outside Stalingrad - the fascists were stopped by Siberian and Steppe-origin divisions.

Once we knew that Japan was not going to attack - they were rushed into battle - riding railroads across the continent - and then wiped the floor with your soldiers.

We are not talking about the WW2, which the UNNR started together with their Nazi German allies.

We are talking about the current shambles, being fought by alcoholic farm boys

Putin took Crimea, and he should have quit while ahead. He chose to go for a big prize; there is a high price to pay.
None can predict which way the die will fall.

No, stupid.

In 2014, after criminals abolished the legitimate government, Crimea said fvck you and voted to separate from U and join R.

I am not sure how fvck you is in Russian, but you get the idea....


Greenland can be ours if we send a dozen retired NY cops or a hundred screaming Karens.

Putin stopping after taking Crimea was as likely as Hitler stopping after taking Austria - and would have made as little sense.

Once a state shifts to full war-mode (military Keynesianism, repression, censorship, full-swing propaganda against "enemies"), the leader's exit ramps shrink dramatically - he has to go full nazi and hope for the best. It didn't work out for Hitler, and I don't think it will work for Putin either.

Ukraine had many chances to sit down and talk.

Instead, they continued along the path that they did. Jailing and exiling pro-Russian politicians, and passing more and more laws which made life for Russian-speaking and Moscow Patriarchate-following Christians miserable.

Also they constantly taunted us - "What're you gonna do about it?".

Now when something is being done, and they are freezing in the cold - and living early 19th century lives - they moan and complain about the unfairness of it all.

You have to be a special retard (especially if Ukrainian - given the history), to play games with Russia.

@Bobko

Who says Ukraine never made any mistakes?

Still, the invasion was taking the game a bit too far, so I stand by my #164. Europe's reaction to the war was right.

Existing? :)


They should had kept the nukes, and tried for NATO membership....Putin showed the world that THIS is the better, more secure path to go.....

To de-arm and expect peace for that is not working with the Kremlin!

Blah nlah idiot. I will do a referendum on PF. I'm telling you to pay monthly 500$ for PF. If not, I will send someone to pull your empty head off. Here is a legitimate democratic system in action a lá Moscow. Now shut your trap. Debating with you about obvious issues is a waste of time; you are senile and resistant to knowledge.
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Also, if your English suck, do not burden others with your limited comprehension of the language. Is it logic that fails you? Where in the sentence, Putin took Crimea, do you see description or judgment about the way he did it? There is none. Why are you jumping like a lame duck on a hot plate?
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It would make no sense in the context of the Grand Moscow Plan. In the real world, it made a lot of sense; it secured Moscow's access to the Black Sea, reducing Ukraine's potential. You are right for Russians and their Ruski Mir - The world is not enough.
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Ukraine is paying for not joining NATO earlier. If Baltics didn't join before, they would probably be invaded and annexed long time ago. Joining NATO is literally the only guarantee of NOT having to pay the price of being a neighbour of a barbarian horde.

Baltic states are much smaller and weaker than Ukraine, if Russia wasn't afraid of direct confrontation with NATO, and really cared about potential NATO bases on their doorsteps, they would invade them instead of Ukraine. They never did, because Putin knows that touching any NATO country is literally a suicide. Ukraine tried to be neutral, to play nice, not join NATO, give up nukes, appease rusniggeria at every step. And this is exactly what they are paying the price for.

Perhaps one of the few good things come out of this tragedy is that now more attention is paid to the people who paid the highest price for defending the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany. The Ukrainians and Belarussians. Some historical justice at least.

Ironically the attempted Russification of Ukraine may bring about the De-Russification of the portrayal of the "Great Patriotic War".

The Ukrainian resilience is truly astonishing.