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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24


Torq  20 | 1944
4 hrs ago   #841
Ukraine should aim to achieve at least African standards in this regard.

Of course we realise that Ukraine is in a difficult situation. They are in the middle of fighting Russian special military operation (not a war really, as neither side declared war on the other and neither side has conducted proper wartime mobilisation), so they have a lot of problems at the moment. Hence, we don't expect European standards from them. We know and we understand that it would be too much to ask from them.

But African standards? They can at least try.
Ironside  53 | 13686
4 hrs ago   #842
the President of the Ukrainian Association

Inslent scum. What is that person doing in Poland? I would have thought that those hardcore Ukrainian nationalists with Polish citizenship would have taken the opportunity to move to Ukraine after 1991. Their country, especially now, makes me wonder how many of them are performing their patriotic duty and defending Ukraine in the trenches.
Ironside  53 | 13686
3 hrs ago   #843
nationalism only hurts Poland.

Polish nationalism did not harm Poland; rather, it was other nationalisms and imperialism that caused the damage.
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or Poland will veto their entrance to the EU

No, really. If they want, they can join; it is not an organization that Poland will stay for long anyway.
We can get something out of them by pretending we want to veto their accession.
Russia gives us this for a veto. What are you going to give for not vetoing it? It could work if they care to join the EU.

You are being sentimental again, Torq.
Torq  20 | 1944
3 hrs ago   #844
You are being sentimental again, Torq.

Sentymentalny? Not really. Wkurwiony? Indeed.

it is not an organization that Poland will stay for long anyway

2035? Before the idiotic electric cars law comes into force.
jon357  74 | 24922
2 hrs ago   #845
What about Ukrainian nationalism?

What about it?

Imagine if Germany still worshipped nazis as heroes

Some of them do.

Ukraine isn't two dimensional. There is a great diversity of opinion there and after all, Poland does not lack fascists, even in parliament.
Torq  20 | 1944
2 hrs ago   #846
What about it?

You said Polish nationalism harms Poland. Doesn't Ukrainian nationalism harm Ukraine?

Some of them do.

Small minority of sickf*cks. And you wouldn't be able to eat a dinner in a German restaurant at Eichmann street, right next to a Himmler monument. You are either blind to official worship of UPA/Bandera in Ukraine or trying to diminish the problem on purpose.

It's quite funny how Ukrainians blame Russian propaganda for tensions between Ukraine and Poland while they could easily counter the propaganda by allowing the exhumation of UPA genocide victims and condemning the perpetrators. Somehow, in 34 years, they weren't able to do it. Even in the last 3.5 years, when they received huge support from Poland, they weren't able to rise even to Hutu decency level. So, no - it's not Russian propaganda, it's Ukrainian kurewstwo.

EDIT:

Anyways, this topic is mentally exhausting for me (for personal, family reasons) and I am trying to enjoy the remains of my summer vacation, so I am taking a break from PF.
jon357  74 | 24922
2 hrs ago   #847
Doesn't Ukrainian nationalism harm Ukraine?

Who says it doesn't? At least they've no fascists in parliament, unlike your country and mine.

Nationalists are in the minority fortunately and of course in Ukraine there's a big reaction to the years of Soviet and now orc oppression. All things shall pass.

Small minority of sickf*cks.

Loads in the east voted for the neo-Nazi afd.

Time to move on and be more positive. And don't let orc filth propaganda that is intended to rile people up be successful.
Ironside  53 | 13686
31 mins ago   #848
At least they've no fascists in parliament, unlike your country

You need to check your mental health. Seeing fascists everywhere is a sign of delusion.
jon357  74 | 24922
28 mins ago   #849
Seeing fascists everywhere is a sign of delusion.

Are you suggesting that Europe has no fascists?

Seeing fascists

In your case, all you need is a mirror.
Mr Grunwald  34 | 2274
18 mins ago   #850
Are you suggesting that Europe has no fascists?

Last time I saw anything resembling it was when German military did a military sermonial march with torches at night.

Otherwise, I haven't seen many people wearing military style clothing while being a civilian. Marked with Fascist armbands, beating up owners of shops they disagree with or group of such people behaving like that toppling governments.

What you think is Fascist seems to be a bit more louse to be able to put more people in that category in an attempt to "demonize" your opponent. It's a very standard tactic used in debates or forums. Most people here probably know that "tactic"


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