Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 18

Not for me.


Of course not lol


Maybe next time you should respect other people's time more and learn some manners, then they may be more willing to waste their time on answering your obtuse questions.

All you need is to read the discussion in this thread to find the answer to your question.

:):):):)

I by far prefer this abuse to your praising the so called "Polish" "patriots" of the forum. :):):):)

As long that you admit, you know next to nothing about Polish patriotism. I am tired of suggesting intense lessons from real patriot,Iron.

Good. That will spare us unnecessary brawls which spoil the atmosphere in the forum. :):):)


Russian patriot Iron, to be more precise. He is a nationalist and they all support Russia as a tool for achieving their dirty aims. Fortunately, I am here to repel him and you, with millions of decent Poles/Polesses behind me. Ha!!!! :):):)

No. I try to tell you that left bank of Dniepr and Novorossia (Nikolaev, Odessa) was heavily "ukrainised" areas where some experienced professional could be fired for weak ukrainian language and replaced with a opportunistic peasant without any professional education. My grandfather was engineer, later was conscripted to military service, while already was in Moscow. During WWII he was in a tank forces, served as vice-commander responcible for technical services.

Try to read following article with translator, like Deepl...

interaffairs.ru/jauthor/material/2734

Just a fragment...

The subsequent stage of Ukrainianisation was characterised by a forced pace and a strict administrative-command style. On 30 April 1925, the VUCIK and SNK of the Ukrainian SSR issued a decree 'On measures for the urgent implementation of the complete Ukrainianisation of the Soviet apparatus', which provided for the final transition of all state institutions to Ukrainian records management by January 1926, i.e. in just nine months. It was followed by a number of other documents of the same direction: 'On the form of inscriptions (signs) on buildings where there are Soviet institutions', 'On the order of installation of signs, inscriptions, letterheads, stamps and labels in Ukrainian on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR', 'On the correct issue of printed publications in the Ukrainian language', etc.

In 1926, the SNK of the Ukrainian SSR published a collection of decrees and directives 'Ukrainianisation of Soviet Resolutions'. The text of the 'Provisions on Ensuring Equality of Languages and Promoting Ukrainian Culture' stated that all civil servants must completely switch to the Ukrainian language or resign from their posts.

The aggressiveness of the policy is evident from examples published in the press. From the newspaper Kharkiv Proletarian: '24 employees were dismissed for not knowing the Ukrainian language. The District Commission on Ukrainianisation decided to dismiss 2 employees of the Parkhomovsky sugar factory, 5 employees of the club in Yuzhny settlement, 2 employees at the power station for not knowing the Ukrainian language... '. And there were quite a lot of such reports.

Ukranization - good

Russification - bad

There...Short and so profound...Pulitzer grade...

Because malorossian(ukrainian)-speaking population usually was uneducated, highly religious and not very good for working on factories, because during spring they massively left their jobs to work on their land, just like seasonal workers. Many was illiterate at all. Read the article above for some more figures.

That was a good one....hahahahahahaha...

Are you forgetting who you are dealing with?

Someone disinformed you. There IS Kazakhs (column 10), Georgians (column 5), Chechens and Ingush (column 15). Even Poles (column 34). 40 nationalities total, column 41 is a total sum.

PS: 39 nationalities really (some as aggregate, as "dagestan nationalities", there is tens of small tribes), column 40 is "others" and 41 - "total".

Exactly!!! Imperial Russians are barbarians. What is the use of spreading barbarism in the world?

Ok. There is enough "field agents" in poland to start the full scale process. ;)

That is a new, convoluted interpretation of the Polish Nationalist. Polish lover, admirer, fan, and devotee, which excludes Russia entirely.
Are you sure you are not a secret Russian lover secretly undermining the greatest of the Polish patriots?

Błeeee. Znowu walnąłeś jak gołąb na parapet. hahahaha buhahaha Zapodam to do Idiomów :):):)

Firstly, being officially forced to use Ukrainian language as clerks, in education and publishing isn't the same as being forced to change your surname. Where does it say that changing of surnames into Ukrainian ones was happening and that it was some kind of mass phenomenon?

Secondly, the Ukrainization in the Soviet Union was short-lived (and it was implemented to only small degree in the army). It lasted from 1923 to the start of 1930's. At the beginning of the 1930's the complete reversal of the Ukrainization started:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization

"Starting from the early 1930s, the Ukrainization policies were abruptly and bloodily reversed. "Ukrainian bourgeois nationalism" was declared to be the primary problem in Ukraine. Many Ukrainian newspapers, publications, and schools were switched to Russian. The vast majority of leading scholars and cultural leaders of Ukraine were purged, as were the "Ukrainianized" and "Ukrainianizing" portions of the Communist party."

Thirdly, the forced Ukrainization wasn't happening on the Ukrainian lands belonging to Poland at that time.

Um... In 1945? It seems you don't give enough credit to communist education :P:

A quote from the same link from Wikipedia:

"The Soviet-backed education system dramatically raised the literacy of the Ukrainophone rural population. By 1929 over 97% of high school students in the republic were obtaining their education in Ukrainian and illiteracy dropped from 47% (1926) to 8% in 1934.

Simultaneously, the newly literate ethnic Ukrainians migrated to the cities, which became rapidly largely Ukrainianized - in both population and education."


Yeah, the "seasonal worker" Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky comes to mind, born in a small Ukrainian village near Kiev, who spent his early years as a herdsman and later became not only the commander of the said 60th Army, but also, apparently, the youngest general in the Soviet Army? 🙄


Are you talking about the 60th Army in January 1945?

This sounds very similar to a Polish surname Czerniakowski, btw. I guess it's because he had some Polish roots? 🤔


You mean someone who can read and Google stuff? lol I don't have the time right now to read Velund's article with or without a translator, so hopefully Velund will provide a fragment backing up his claims about the surname-changing. Nonetheless, even it did happen then, as I wrote, the Ukrainization was not only completely reversed, but there was even a bloody anti-Ukrainian purge:

"This forced end to Ukrainization in southern RSFSR had led to a massive decline of reported Ukrainians in these regions in the 1937 Soviet Census compared to the 1926 First All-Union Census of the Soviet Union."

It looks like the reality in 1945 was the exact opposite of what Velund claimed. And why I am not surprised... *sigh* 🙄


So, Velund didn't entirely lie about the forced Ukrainization in that area of the Soviet Union (I still have doubts about those surnames), but he "failed to mention" how short-lived that forced Ukrainization was and that it was later completely reversed.

It was an interesting discussion though - I learned some stuff :)

*even if

you expect 'truth' from a russian? they don't understand the concept... to them 'truth' is what makes them feel better in the moment.... having to take a sh[t in a freezing outhouse and not having anywhere to throw the mess when the pit is full...... 'but we're a great empire!' and they feel better.

I don't expect dogs to do algebra and I don't expect russians to tell the truth based on facts.

it is what it is....

I don't expect a Russia-hating idiot to post anything else...

But then those damn Russians do tend to lie...Tonkin Resolution, Saddam's WMDs, "border is secure", "economy is great", "men can be pregnant", "genders are fluid"...

The Syrians are naming their price for letting the NNs keep their base on the Med

Full reparations plus hand back Assad

Both are interesting - handing back Assad sends a bad signal to Lukaszenko, Marsalek and the rest that they are expendable

NNs don't have any bases there.

Unfortunately, this forum is full of polish morons...

And one Polish ex-pat transplant to America moron.

My official tiltle is PF Genius.