Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 17

Yeah....knowing from which hell they come and that they got no real choice at all it's impossible to truly hate them.

They are also victims in this war!

Oh wow - I agree with CMS Neuf for once!

Ukraine continues to do a faithful imitation of ISIS and the Baader-Meinhof Gang.

What's more amazing, is that some Western governments quietly approve of these things, and as can be seen on PF - some of its civilians do so explicitly.

When they killed, "by accident", the daughter of Alexander Dugin - they apparently were given a stern "talking to" by American officials involved in the national security apparatus.

When they exploded the Nord Stream pipeline, causing one of the worst ecological disasters in Europe in 40 years - everybody decided to pretend like they were "not home" when it happened.

In dozens of other less reported incidents, Ukraine has been trying to trigger meltdowns at nuclear plants, blow up dams, explode pipelines, poison water supplies, and of course kill people (primarily with exploding mopeds).

Imagine the reaction if Russia did some such thing? What if Russia also started hiring hitmen to kill Ukrainian generals outside their apartments? I can imagine the headline:

1) "In Methods Reminiscent of the Mexican Cartels - Russia Goes After Its Enemies On Their Own Turf"

If Russia blew up a gas pipeline? Probably this:

2) "If You Needed More Proof That Russia is a Rogue State, Look No Further"

How about if Russia routinely attacked a nuclear power plant with artillery, as Ukraine does with the Zaporozhye NPP? Maybe it would look like this:

3) "Atomic Blackmail - Russia Brings Europe to the Brink of a Radiological Catastrophe"

However, since it's Ukraine doing it, and not Russia... it's:

1)"Brave Ukrainians Bring the War Home to Putin's Russia"

2) "Putin Furious - Ukraine Strikes at his Favorite Toy"

3) "Chernobyl 2.0 - Ukraine, and its Attempts to Wrest Back Control Over Europe's Largest Nuclear Plant, and What This Means for the World".

Russia doesn't need to plant exploding motorbikes outside people's apartments.

Russia doesn't have to dupe some Ukrainian truck driver, into driving a truck filled with cellulose over a bridge (as Ukraine did in its only successful attack on the Crimean Bridge).

If it made the decision, the Kremlin could order strikes on the central government district in Kiev. Unlike Ukraine, we actually have the means. This could wipe out the entire headquarters of the Ministry of Defense, or the State Security Service of Ukraine.

For some reason it does not do this. The Western press writes that this is because of promises made by Putin to other heads of state.

In the same way we could target bridges over the Dnieper river. Unlike Ukraine's comic efforts at disabling the Crimean Bridge, these would be effective, and would make extremely difficult the job of supplying Ukraine's forces on the Left Bank. Again, for some mysterious reason we do not do it. Maybe somebody expects we will use these bridges one day to "fly in" to the other half of Ukraine.

Na ja....Russia seems to prefer poisonings...

abcnews.go.com/International/navalny-long-history-russian-poisonings/story?id=72579648

....and shootings....

dw.com/en/germany-expels-two-russian-diplomats-after-tiergarten-murder-conviction/a-60126840

....and who never heard of these mysterious "window falls"....

thedailybeast.com/russia-has-a-disturbing-history-of-deadly-falls/

Okay....maybe Russia targets more domestic enemies?

@Bobko
You dont need to explain a thing. The double standards on display are shocking. Compare how many defenders of the so called rules based order have said they wouldn't arrest Putin with those who wouldn't arrest Netanyahu.

I am sure that North Nigeria does have the means to carpet bomb central Kiev. But does it gave the reliability ? There is a huge chance those weapons would backfire on launch or be shot down.

Even if successful it's obvious that the people you want to murder are in bunkers and not sat at a desk

But ultimately there can be no comparison between North Nigerians action which are aggressive violence and Ukraines who are only trying to defend themselves

How are the Koreans doing BTW ? You said these would be elite units but in fact they look like cold scared teenagers

You forget that cold and scared but sober teenagers are elite troops when it comes to the North Nigerian armed forces, especially when none of their equipment has been sold to buy fake Hermes handbags for a general's mistresses.

Very well - I am happy to report. Your Western and some Ukrainian analysts have taken apart the action from December 14th, and it seems the North Koreans did quite well.

They achieved the task set for them, while suffering some casualties. Today, the Americans said the North Koreans lost around 30 people total KIA and WIA, out of a force of approximately 200 that participated in the assault.

They were used on a very narrow section of the front, where there is dense forest coverage. They attacked a Ukrainian line from 5 direct directions. On one of these directions, the Koreans had to cross an open field to reach the Ukrainian line. This is where most of the casualties were incurred.

Despite getting shot at by machine guns, having artillery shells explode in close proximity, and doing all this while wading through snow - the Koreans did not stop, and reached the trench - ejecting the Ukrainians out. This ability to advance in the face of overwhelming fire already points to the fact that these are not average soldiers.

The other thing people noticed is their exceptional physical condition. They moved fast, very fast. The entire attack was done on foot. The only support from Russia was artillery preparation and counter electronic measures.

In short: they're young, they're fit, they follow commands, and they're willing to die. Pretty good in my book.

@Bobko

Do you have an idea how they communicate? The Koreans and the Russians, I mean?

I sadly have no idea about the north korean school curriculum...if they learn foreign languages at all...

(In my mind NK is just a huge Gulag, I might be wrong though...)

So at that rate, they should be all wiped out after 7 days ?

They seem to be following the age old North Nigerian tactics invented at Borodin - run very quickly onwards the artillery

The press has written about this a little, citing the Ukrainian military intelligence agency (GUR).

Quote:

"Russia plans to assign one interpreter to every 30 North Korean soldiers for better coordination with Russian troops on the battlefield, Ukraine's military intelligence agency reported on Oct. 25, citing an intercepted conversation between service members of a Russian brigade in Kursk Oblast."

... and one more: "Apart from an interpreter, three Russian soldiers will be assigned to every group of 30 North Korean fighters. However doubts remain in the Russian army about the possibility of carrying this out in practice."

It's been about a month since, and it's clear there are some problems.

The most famous problem that has emerged so far, is friendly fire. The North Koreans accidentally attacked a Russian army formation.

For us it's easy enough to tell a Ukrainian apart from a Russian, by his accent, vocabulary, and even appearance. To them - we all look and sound like Russians.

The real way things work - I think - is that the three generals they brought, that sit with our general staff, command their own men. The top brass deconflicts each others actions, makes a plan, and then the Koreans manage Koreans.

It's funny, because we have a million Russian Koreans in Russia, but almost none of them speak Korean. So instead, it's students from linguistics departments, and just average Ivans learning Korean from phrase books.

Yeah...that makes sense....but should this go on for some more years, they will get more and more able interpreters.

So it's true then....the average northern Koreans neither learn Russian nor English in school, interesting!

I forgot to say, that the way the Korean units have been integrated, is by embedding them within a Russian naval infantry division (marines in Western speak) and a Russian airborne division.

To me, this means that they are some kind of NK special forces.

Alternatively, it could only mean that the marines and the airborne are the only places with personnel that are capable of working with a foreign force. Due to higher education, discipline, etc.

Forget Koreans. Make Kiev look like Dresden in 1945 and the war will be over very quickly.

If Russia wants to be nice, give Ukraine an advance warning to evacuate.

I am still waiting for an explanation why you asked the Irish government to bring migrants to Ireland.

Russian was the first foreign language taught in North Korea, starting in 1948.

A ton of Korean students also studied at Soviet universities and medical academies. Many Korean specialists worked in industry, to later bring that know-how back to Korea.

But starting in 1990, the situation changed. Now, people say only the older generation speaks Russian. The younger generation has all been studying English and Chinese. The problem is that the average Russian has a pretty poor command of English too, and zero of Chinese.

Starting with the time since Kim came, many North Koreans have smartphones and computers (when I say many - I mean 10-15% according to press reports). These are imported from China.

South Korean tv dramas are apparently very popular, especially those that focus on historical periods of the Korean monarchy.

They are not martians. They are people like you and me.

....yeah.....sure.....I have to work on that....

Who do you have more in common with - Abdelhamid from Yemen, or Joo Yung from brotherly socialist Korea? Hmm?

I thought you grew up in East Germany? Do you think Dutch and American people that considered you a Martian were correct in their assessment?

Was the GDR really all just non-stop Stasi raids in the middle of the night, or did it also include drinking Vita Cola while on a picnic in your Trabant? Haha

I remember when the Polish pope was appointed, everyone thought he was a communist...and there is no media propaganda in NATO land.

Hehehe! That's funny.

Then when he got shot by a madman, everyone was convinced it was a KGB operation. Go figure...


North Korea had a famine in the 1990s. Hell? Yes.

The Soviet Union had a famine in the 1930s. Hell? Absolutely.

It doesn't mean my grandparents would have moved if given the chance. Their cousins did, and many others. To places like Paris, London, and New York.

Now those people are lost to Russia. Miserable people, who will never experience the wonder of being Russian.

Solzhenitsyn wrote, that every waking moment away from Russia was torture.

Anna Akhmatova had a famous poem, "I'm not one of those who has left my land".

Source: americanliterature.com/author/anna-akhmatova/poem/im-not-one-of-those-who-left-their-land

Just because somebody comes from hell, does not mean they are not human, or do not love their hell.

....na ja....I think it's the wall.....govs which have to build a wall to keep their people in are just creepy!

I was kind of traumatized learning about the Red Khmer first, I remember.....later I read experience-stories from north Koreans which survived their flights to the South....they painted a picture of North Korea that was truly more like a horrible Gulag than anything else. I can't forget that.

It might be that this has changed in recent times...that the new ruler modernized the country....but still, there is that wall. As long as it stands and North Koreans trying to leave will still get shot (if they are lucky) that country will stay something strange and creepy.

There is a reason that walls build to keep their own people jailed are so rare....


Not non-stop....but there have been purges and times of brutal oppressions, yes. It depended also alot on the party line given out in Moscow....with East-Berlin rulers always trying to be the most obedient followers EVA!

We are discussing people and not governments.

People on this forum talking about North Korean soldiers like robots or androids....

They are 18-21 years old.

That means born in 2003-2006.

Children.

From a special unit as it seems, so privileged kids too!

I have the fullest compassion for them....victims!

But then...that question of school is interesting....if they get a kind of normal schooling inclusive foreign languages at all.....I have so no idea!

In good socialist tradition they have very strong schooling in the sciences. North Koreans perform well at international maths and chemical olympiads.

In socialist tradition - they are not strong in humanities.

I don't know about foreign languages. I know they are taught, and I know several people that went on touristic trips there and claimed that they are conversant.

If it's anything like the Soviet Union, they are taught English by apes that can't speak English themselves, and impart a broken language onto their students.

My grandma told me at one point, that she thought they taught them English and French so badly, so that they couldn't be spies. Lol.

At the same time, my dad went to an English-focused school, and speaks very good English. More technically correct, and richer in vocabulary than me. But mine is much more idiomatic.

Then why are you sending them into battle to be killed?

Why are you insisting that Zelensky send Ukrainian 18 year olds, you goddamn cannibal?

You know he doesn't want to do it, and you are twisting his arms anyway.

Interesting! Do they truly let their participants out into "hostile" countries for competitions? Do they fear flights from people just running away given the tiniest chance? Do they held their families at home hostage?

You see....I'm helpless....I can't stop comparing. Me growing up behind a wall myself surely left some scars!

Anyhow, have to leave now for the day......'night all! :)

Here, read this story of Ri Jong-yol.

Took silver at a Math Olympiad and then escaped. Quite famous case.

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ri_Jong-yol

They also escape while at Olympics.

Even the dictator's brother tried to escape to Disneyland, lol.

They're smart. Their South Korean twins are some of the smartest and richest people in the world. Why would we assume that the North Koreans are a bunch of troglodytes?

Iran can't make a nuclear bomb, or an intercontinental rocket. Pakistan also could not, despite having a population bigger than Russia.

Guess who helped Iran and Pakistan develop their nuclear and rocketry tech? That's right - the people from Mars.

Not smart enough to do some basic math. If the entire country of 20 million rose up against their corrupt elite of 100.000 they would win and could start to breathe free and prosper. It's called the Assad theorem.

What exactly would they win?

You have BB here, ask him maybe?

Maybe ask the local party representative of the AfD or the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance if East Germany won?

Ask Syrians, in two years, what they won.

Btw, dictatorial and human-hating North Korea has twice the birth rate of glorious democratic paradise of South Korea (which recently experienced a violent coup attempt).

In 50 years, it will be 40 million North Koreans, and 20 million Southerners.

The Southerners did something so amazing to their economy, that people no longer want to reproduce.

The Novi theorem: Nobody wants to be the first to die.

That's how 10 SS were able to guide 1000 to gas chambers.