Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 17

These initiatives, in the way they've been presented so far... are an absolute joke.

I saw 40,000.

What is 40,000?

40,000 is the number of troops Ukraine deployed to Kursk, and in Kursk they are losing territory daily. Within a few weeks, their salient into Kursk will be all but erased.

40,000 means 20,000 - because men need rest and rotations. You can't keep 40,000 indefinitely on the line. There must be a minimum ratio of 1:1.

40,000 won't be taken seriously neither by the Ukrainians or us. If we really decide we're angry, and we want to go and bash some Ukrainians heads in, it'll be easy enough to go over these dupes in the middle and do the job. The same for Ukraine.

If you want a credible peacekeeping force, it has to be on the order of the "Allied Forces in Germany". In the FRG, NATO kept approximately 500-700K men deployed.

Half a million NATO forces - that's a credible deterrent.

lol! Those conditions are ridiculous.
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Those points are a joke. Is that Russia saying it doesn't want to negotiate?
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It would be better for Ukraine to implement this Russian plan to partition Ukraine with a few corrections, like keeping the Odesa area with Ukraine.

1) Explain why demilitarization is a problem? Is it because they want to have the ability to potentially retake their lost territories by force? Is it?! Then, there you have the root of the issue.

2) I mean only Ukraine's sanctions. Ukraine applied a ton of sanctions against our private businesses and state monopolies. We lost billions of dollars of assets in Ukraine. These must be returned to us, and the sanctions removed. We will of course remove all sanctions on Ukraine.

What is the big problem, Ironside?

Nobody in Germany really thinks of them as "deterrent"....or expects them to do real fighting....maybe a token, a reminder for both sides...for that 40.000 are fully enough!

It's in the word: "PEACE KEEPERS" *shrugs* If they are really attacked that's no peace anylonger....

Demilitarization is a problem because of the frequency with which North Nigeria invades it neighbors.

Anyone who would disarm and live next door to these invading rapists needs their heads testing.

Ukraine violated the previous ceasefires (2014-2022), literally thousands of times.

They retook entire villages and small towns - in a creeping ten year offensive.

The OSCE did nothing to stop them. These "observers", these "peacekeepers".

When we would go to Merkel, Sarkozy, and others to complain - they would make a stupid face and shrug their shoulders. This, even though it's them that were supposed to be responsible for making Kiev behave.

It'll be the same in the future - I'm sure. Ukraine will attack to reclaim some settlement, and German and French forces will simply dissolve into the ether, opening for them a way... and forcing Russia to act.

Then when Russia acts, it will be accused of all sins known to man. Old template. We know how it works.

It means that Ukraine will become defenseless. Especially if you take that NATO-out condition. It so obvious, it is either to be dropped in the later stage of negotiations or is inserted there to sabotage those negotiations.
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Russia took a lot territory, waged an aggressive war, and destroyed the sh't load of property. I don't think it is fit to ask for compensation or full removal of sanctions, some sanctions would need to stay.
Abolishing the world's sanctions would be enough of a gift for Russia. No need to be greedy.

Then why keep walking into this....

Russia (after Putin) should really go viral with that past as you present it here, it's widely totally unknown! Most Germans were totally perplexed and surprised by Putins invasion of Ukraine, finding no good reason at all....most Westerners don't, hence that full support for Ukraine.

Russia won't change that if it keeps it all to themselves....

On what basis then would Ukraine continue to apply sanctions against us? Just because they feel "butthurt"? Is not that a recipe for further conflict?

If we are to build actually working relations between our two peoples, the sanctions have to be removed.

This is actually more important than the Western sanctions, even if the western sanctions resulted in much more pain. We don't expect the West to admit a defeat, and give up. They will keep their sanctions forever.

But if us and Ukraine are to go anywhere, we must remove sanctions on each other. We used to be each other's largest trading partners. The fastest way to reconstruct Ukraine is to allow it to trade with Russia again, its main economic partner for 1,200 years.

lol! Putin was to hasty and wanted all the glory to himself. Also, Biden and his keepers unadvertly misled him. Underestimation of the West.
Germans are arrogant and overconfident.

Still true (even if not as much as 10 years back).....but the West is not only Germany....NOBODY had something like that on the radar!

It would be up the Ukraine. I do not think that should be a part of the negotiations.

They must give us this, and work with us as closely as possible... otherwise we will be at war again in 20 years or less.

Right now their population is demoralized. They will accept most anything, that doesn't spell a complete "rape of Ukraine". Give us the sanctions relief now, and don't turn it into a massive political issue 5 years hence - when you will feel so backed into a corner by nationalists and revanchists - that you won't be able to grant Russia this concession.

Further - you have to lean on your "Western partners", so that they remove their sanctions on us as well. This will win you many points in the Kremlin, and show us that we are negotiating with reasonable people - maybe even former brothers.

It will be funny, if we are able to force the West into an uncomfortable position where they still don't want to lift sanctions, but the "rape victim" insists it's necessary.

Life together, for Ukraine and Russia, will be so fun - that soon we will ill forget all the problems of the past.

I thought the sanctions were not working - so there is no reason to lift them

They can be lifted on the day Putler arrives in The Hague for his trial - that position is absolutely clear

Look, genius... Ukraine does several things which are globally significant:

1) Metals
2) Grains
3) Coal
4) Rare Earths

The EU position, and not least because of Poland, has been to:

1) Put savage quotas on Ukrainians metals
2) Restrict to the maximum extent possible any imports of grains
3) Place impossible tariffs on coal
4) Buy rare earths from China instead

I know you really can't wait to kill the last Ukrainian working age male, but why do you also want Ukraine to be a destitute country even in the aftermath of the war?

Do you think about anything, besides your "feelings"?

If you want Russia to sit in a hole, covered in excrement and shame, to me... it means you must at least have a plan on how to make Ukraine prosperous in comparison?

If your only plan is to put these two Slavic neighbors back on their knees, and sucking Western penis - then be explicit about it.

...because sanctions work so very well. See Cuba and Venezuela.

For the uninitiated: That was sarcasm.

On the plus side, sanctions create refugees, which, we are told, is good for the economy and as replacements for the Americans who died at the Planned Parenthood "health clinics".


Even people with feeeelings have their moments.

Not this specimen...

There is huge institutional inertia behind sanctions.

It's one thing to get Congress together - at the height of a war - to approve some sanctions.

It's another, to get them together, long after the intensity of the Russo-Ukrainian war has faded - and force them to make a decision which is best for the welfare of two faraway countries.

Like Neuf and Maf, they will then place their hand s on their hips, puff out their chest, and let loose some string of inanities.

Now we know why God put me on this planet and gave me two middle fingers.

Memo to morons: Yesterday, I started my speech with this:

Poland, by taking U refugees, prolonged the war. By saving women and kids, Poland condemned Ukrainian men to death.

With men dead and women gone forever, Poland co-committed an act of genocide because Poles didn't think things through. This is what happens when feeeelings trump reason.

So how did it go, and what was the kids' reaction?

Very curious.

They designated the first hour to Ukraine and the second hour to my "journey" from Poland to the US.

The guy who was supposed to talk fist got sick so they ask me if I could sub. I was told that he is married to a Ukraianian women and doesn't like Russia.

I told them I would be happy but only if I allowed to represent Russia. They said fine and off I went. Loved every second of it...

Yes, but the reaction?

oooh the defensive crouch!

russia could be great if it just got over its psyopathic desire to invade and incorporate neighbors that don't want to be part of russia....

so much potential wasted becase your new national story is 'we are a great empire'.... which no one wants to join.....

You forgot to list North Nigeria's significant exports

1. Oil (though they don't like to talk about it)
2. Crappy weapons for turd world dictators to kill their own citizens
3. Amateur ****
4. Gymnasts

Which in effect means they want everything their own way. A reward for illegally invading their peaceful neighbour. Those conditions are a joke.


Would have thought that one was obvious.

Lack of an effective army means that Ukraine has little in the way of defence when Russia inevitably invades again.

Why do I despise russia?

Here an unnamed 39 year old witness in the case against a former deputy mayor in Krasnoyarsk "fell out" of an 11th story window....

(CW: the "fall" is captured from a distance and the second part shows them digging the body out of whatever it is he crashed through....

x.com/noticias_msm/status/1866876462474711450

the government killing inconvenient people by pushing them out of windows (or off roofs) is completely normalized there.....

what sane person wants to become part of that mess?

ahaah haha. Polish di*k would fall on Turkish turban.

Let ugly Turks give back heads of venerable Polish King Wladislaw Warnenchyk and noble hero Zawisha Czarny!

Excellent logic to silence imperial Russians. :):):)


Of course. That is why the West has to go united to reject them all.

Imperial Russians are doomed to lose. It isn`t the matter of if but when.


Let`s add the fastest watches in the world. hahaha buhahahaha I can`t.........

It neighbors?

Mute, aren`t you?

You want to awake sadism in Russians?

You can`t awake sth which has been in full swing for centuries. )::):)

Please. Only from time to time. When they needed to deal with homos like Napoleon and Hitler. Now with Zel and Co.