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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16


PolAmKrakow  2 | 945
6 Nov 2024   #211
Z is reportedly on his way to the hospital suffering from massive body weight loss from sh1tting his pants all night over the Trump victory. Vlad is preparing for a phone call to make a deal over oil sanctions and ending the war. Anyone want to ake bets on if the war is over by April 2025?
mafketis  38 | 11001
6 Nov 2024   #212
Z is reportedly on his way to the hospital ... sh1tting his pants all night over the Trump victory

Your evolution from overly optimistic Ukraine supporter to full blown russian shill has been.... interesting.

Zelenskyy has dealt successfully with Trump before and knows how the game is played. putain will not be able to resist and will try to humiliate Trump the way he humiliates other 'allies'....

Trump actually said the words bomb and moscow in the same sentence... I wouldn't break out the igristoe just yet....
cms neuf  1 | 1794
6 Nov 2024   #213
I will take a bet that that in April 2025 the NNs will still be 8km from Pokrovsk.

This is a great opportunity for Western Europe and Poland to show some mettle, and sell some weapons
mafketis  38 | 11001
6 Nov 2024   #214
Maybe sending the Norks to fight 'for' russia wasn't a bad idea.... they ended up shooting russian soldiers...

x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1852996428391428519

Keep up the good work norks!
jon357  73 | 23113
6 Nov 2024   #215
This is a great opportunity for Western Europe and Poland

It's a golden opportunity. If the Yanks don't want the jobs and tax revenue for producing weapons, others will take them. BAe has made huge sums already and of course skilled jobs are always needed.
Lazarus  2 | 405
6 Nov 2024   #216
It's a golden opportunity. If the Yanks don't want the jobs and tax revenue for producing weapons, others will take them.

And the payment for it all is already available thanks to seized North Nigerian assets!
PolAmKrakow  2 | 945
6 Nov 2024   #217
@mafketis
And this is where you dont understand things. I am a Ukraine supporter. So much so that I want the Ukraine men to live, and families to be able to go back to their homes without the threat of being killed or injured. So much a supporter, that I want to see lives saved and a country begin to rebuild without as much land as they used to have, but still existing. I deal with facts, not emotions. The facts are that Ukraine cannot push Russia out of the land they hold. Russia is advancing on every front line in the east and taking back their own land in Russia. I used to like going to Ukraine, and I would like to go back. I would like it if my friends could return to their homes. I would like to see the US still send money to Ukraine, but not for war. I would like to see eight young men I know personally in Poland be able to go back home without fear of not being able to return to Poland.

@cms neuf
Youre right. This is Europes opportunity. Poland has stepped up more than any others. Lets see how everyone reacts.
Lenka  5 | 3504
6 Nov 2024   #218
a country begin to rebuild without as much land as they used to have,

And why in your opinion Russia will stay away this time? How will you guarantee that in few years there won't be war again?
Velund  1 | 500
6 Nov 2024   #219
Musk have their own opinion....


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PolAmKrakow  2 | 945
6 Nov 2024   #220
@Lenka
I dont believe in "forever" concerning anyone or anything. I do believe that because Trump is so unpredictable that Vlad slows his roll. I think if Trump does a good job the first two years, JD is in line to be the next president. And JD is a former soldier with a lot of knowledge and experience that will make any dictator think twice. I think Xi slows his roll now on Taiwan as well. The middle east is waking up and saying "oh sh1t". Biden was weak, and came across as a grandpa who could be pushed around, and thats exactly what happened when Kumala pushed him out. What needs to happen is the US waitng for Putin to die or appoint a successor.

We already have a good idea what the peace framework will look like. Russia keeps Crimea and parts of the other claimed areas. Ukraine becomes neutral and allowed to join the EU but not NATO. Putin is not happy about not getting all he wants, and Ukraine is not happy about not getting NATO. Both sides get something, and men stop dying. If thats the basis of talks, I think this gets resolved quickly, and Z moves to Florida to retire.
cms neuf  1 | 1794
6 Nov 2024   #221
So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938
Lenka  5 | 3504
6 Nov 2024   #222
I do believe that because Trump is so unpredictable that Vlad slows his roll.

Besides the fact I don't think Putin is afraid of Trimp, relaying country's safety and future on one guy from far away country? Seriously? What if Trump dies ( he is not the youngest after all)? Or in next elections Democrats win?
Who in the right senses would base a nation's future on that?
mafketis  38 | 11001
6 Nov 2024   #223
So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938

But this time it'll work!
OP Novichok  5 | 7903
6 Nov 2024   #224
and Z moves to Florida to retire.

Z in Florida was the plan from the beginning. The only open issue was how much of Ukraine will be owned by Blackrock when the shooting stops.
The US knew U would never be in NATO just as Mexico would never be part of the Warsaw Pact.
johnny reb  48 | 7744
6 Nov 2024   #225
and Z moves to Florida to retire.

Can he really afford to since his net worth is only $20 million at best.
Z in Florida was the plan from the beginning

Its kind of looking like that, isn't it.
jon357  73 | 23113
6 Nov 2024   #226
I don't think Putin is afraid of Trimp, relaying country's safety and future on one guy from far away country

Putin is several steps ahead.

So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938

Much the same politics. I can't see Ukraine giving an inch.
Lazarus  2 | 405
6 Nov 2024   #227
So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938

Yes, but the Ukrainians are really not like the Czechs. Putin is going to find that while the North Nigerian orcs can grab land, subjugating millions of Ukrainians for an extended time is another matter altogether. Last time it was only managed by starving millions of them to death.
OP Novichok  5 | 7903
6 Nov 2024   #228
subjugating millions of Ukrainians

I would like to subjugate azholes who continue to ignore the terms that Z and P were ready to sign off on in April 2022.

Inconvenient truth, morons?

As a reminder:

1. Russia keeps Crimea
2. Ukraine keeps the rest
3. No NATO in Ukraine

...and one million men stay alive...

That was it and the Western warmongers pounced because that meant peace and, as we all know so very well, peace is a dirty word in Warmongerland.
pawian  221 | 25301
6 Nov 2024   #229
that Z and P were ready to sign off on in April 2022.

BS. Putin tried to win time. He didn`t manage to capture Kyiv so he needed to regroup. He would break the treaty after two months. Don`t be stupid.
Lenka  5 | 3504
6 Nov 2024   #230
...and one million men stay alive...

Until next time Russia decides it wants to attack...
OP Novichok  5 | 7903
6 Nov 2024   #231
Even Russia loves Trump.

Russian stocks surge on likely Trump victory
Analysts say investors hope for a positive change in the geopolitical climate due to a power shift in the White House

Until next time Russia decides it wants to attack...

...just as the US, UK, and Poland attacked Iraq.
pawian  221 | 25301
6 Nov 2024   #232
Even Russia loves Trump

Yes, but Rusians invaded Ukraine hoping the West would remain reserved as before. And they got hugely disappointed. Ha!!!
Korvinus  2 | 570
6 Nov 2024   #233
...just as the US, UK, and Poland attacked Iraq.

Iraq and Afghanistan weren't NATO jobs. Some members abstained, most members only sent token forces. The "coalition of the willing" was mostly made up of arab states, specifically because USA couldn't get Europeans to come help.
Even Russia loves Trump.

You guys have been claiming Ukraine is being ground down and going to collapse any minute now the entire war, from the first months. It hasn't happened, and it isn't going to happen. You guys aren't even willing to put down dates as predictions for when it will happen by anymore. Ever since even your vague long term estimates of 6 months or 1 year came and went with no sign of Ukrainian collapse.

Because Ukraine is winning the attrition war. As tragic as the manpower losses are for both sides, equipment will run out before manpower does.

Ukraine is generating more manpower than they are able to equip with heavy equipment currently and Western backers are able to sustain their current level of support for Ukraine long term, they are actually increasing their production steadily. They even have room to expand production at a significantly higher rate if there is the political will to do that.

Russia, meanwhile, is depleting their stockpiles and cannot produce anywhere near the level needed to sustain their efforts.

Russia's theory of victory is that they can convince the west to stop supplying Ukraine before Russia runs out of gas to sustain its offensive pace. It is not that they are going to attrit and collapse Ukrainian forces. Russia is realistic enough to know they aren't capable of doing that. But Russia's propaganda effort, that you all consume via Telegram, is geared towards trying to paint Russia's slow grinding advances as Inevitable Victory. But actually looking at the economic factors, production, and losses, that isn't so.
PolAmKrakow  2 | 945
7 Nov 2024   #234
@Lenka
Or untill next time Germany wants to attack. Predicting the future is futile. Settling the current conflict should be a priority. But of course Biden will now expedite more equipment and ammo to Ukraine before Trump gets in office. It is obvious that the democrats want to keep the war going as long as possible.
jon357  73 | 23113
7 Nov 2024   #235
Biden will now expedite more equipment and ammo to Ukraine before Trump gets in office

Of course; Ukraine must prevail and r*SAian authoritarianism must be seen to lose.

Predicting the future is futile

Tell that to pretty well any major country's defence ministry and central bank. They will laugh long and loud.
Velund  1 | 500
7 Nov 2024   #236
It is obvious that the democrats want to keep the war going as long as possible.

Democrats want to keep cash flow to pockets of their sponsors and relatives as long as possible.
OP Novichok  5 | 7903
7 Nov 2024   #237
Democrats want to keep cash flow to pockets of their sponsors

This pile of corrupt crap we call the MICC is bipartisan. My guess is that there are more RINOs there than Dems.

I am still waiting for an explanation why the US needs tanks and artillery. At the most, I would have two of each - for a war with Canada and Mexico.

The swamp - both RINOs and Dems - hates Trump because he doesn't like wars. It's that simple.
Vercingetorix
7 Nov 2024   #238
This forum has been great source of knowledge for me about dynamics between nations in that part of the world. Very few people in Western Europe understand what is in the stakes, also are mostly tired of this war. For many people the crisis in the Levant is more burning issue even if that is far away and Ukraine is on our doorstep. Now with the election of Trump I worry that only the countries of the East will keep the flame going, but their resource is limited. To fight combined armies of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea we need United States of Europe - not tomorrow but yesterday.
Bobko  27 | 2154
7 Nov 2024   #239
To fight combined armies of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea

Making a brief little pit stop here, to enjoy your woke tears.

United States of Europe? Is that the name of a new boy band?

Russia chewed through every single tank, artillery piece, and anti air system you have provided Ukraine. Poland has no weapons left - as evidenced by Sikorski's rebuke to Zelensky last week. France and Britain are empty. Germany never had anything to begin with.

America has dumped you.

Prepare your anus.
Alien  24 | 5739
7 Nov 2024   #240
Prepare your anus.

Are you thinking about chemical weapons?


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