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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16


OP Novichok  5 | 7575
1 day ago   #211
Russia do when they are losing a war against Ukraine

Russia is not losing.

This war is not against Ukraine but against NATO expansion. Ukraine is just a useful idiot and a victim.

I hate NATO. To the US, NATO has only downside and zero benefits. Because of that, I want Russia to prevail and liberate the rest of Donbass.
pawian  221 | 25000
1 day ago   #212
Russia is not losing.

Of course it is coz it is going to disintegrate under sanctions and economic crisis caused by military costs.
PolAmKrakow  2 | 890
17 hrs ago   #214
Z is reportedly on his way to the hospital suffering from massive body weight loss from sh1tting his pants all night over the Trump victory. Vlad is preparing for a phone call to make a deal over oil sanctions and ending the war. Anyone want to ake bets on if the war is over by April 2025?
mafketis  38 | 10925
17 hrs ago   #215
Z is reportedly on his way to the hospital ... sh1tting his pants all night over the Trump victory

Your evolution from overly optimistic Ukraine supporter to full blown russian shill has been.... interesting.

Zelenskyy has dealt successfully with Trump before and knows how the game is played. putain will not be able to resist and will try to humiliate Trump the way he humiliates other 'allies'....

Trump actually said the words bomb and moscow in the same sentence... I wouldn't break out the igristoe just yet....
cms neuf  1 | 1742
17 hrs ago   #216
I will take a bet that that in April 2025 the NNs will still be 8km from Pokrovsk.

This is a great opportunity for Western Europe and Poland to show some mettle, and sell some weapons
mafketis  38 | 10925
17 hrs ago   #217
Maybe sending the Norks to fight 'for' russia wasn't a bad idea.... they ended up shooting russian soldiers...

x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1852996428391428519

Keep up the good work norks!
jon357  73 | 22967
14 hrs ago   #218
This is a great opportunity for Western Europe and Poland

It's a golden opportunity. If the Yanks don't want the jobs and tax revenue for producing weapons, others will take them. BAe has made huge sums already and of course skilled jobs are always needed.
Lazarus  2 | 392
13 hrs ago   #219
It's a golden opportunity. If the Yanks don't want the jobs and tax revenue for producing weapons, others will take them.

And the payment for it all is already available thanks to seized North Nigerian assets!
PolAmKrakow  2 | 890
13 hrs ago   #220
@mafketis
And this is where you dont understand things. I am a Ukraine supporter. So much so that I want the Ukraine men to live, and families to be able to go back to their homes without the threat of being killed or injured. So much a supporter, that I want to see lives saved and a country begin to rebuild without as much land as they used to have, but still existing. I deal with facts, not emotions. The facts are that Ukraine cannot push Russia out of the land they hold. Russia is advancing on every front line in the east and taking back their own land in Russia. I used to like going to Ukraine, and I would like to go back. I would like it if my friends could return to their homes. I would like to see the US still send money to Ukraine, but not for war. I would like to see eight young men I know personally in Poland be able to go back home without fear of not being able to return to Poland.

@cms neuf
Youre right. This is Europes opportunity. Poland has stepped up more than any others. Lets see how everyone reacts.
Lenka  5 | 3495
13 hrs ago   #221
a country begin to rebuild without as much land as they used to have,

And why in your opinion Russia will stay away this time? How will you guarantee that in few years there won't be war again?
Velund  1 | 492
13 hrs ago   #222
Musk have their own opinion....


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PolAmKrakow  2 | 890
12 hrs ago   #223
@Lenka
I dont believe in "forever" concerning anyone or anything. I do believe that because Trump is so unpredictable that Vlad slows his roll. I think if Trump does a good job the first two years, JD is in line to be the next president. And JD is a former soldier with a lot of knowledge and experience that will make any dictator think twice. I think Xi slows his roll now on Taiwan as well. The middle east is waking up and saying "oh sh1t". Biden was weak, and came across as a grandpa who could be pushed around, and thats exactly what happened when Kumala pushed him out. What needs to happen is the US waitng for Putin to die or appoint a successor.

We already have a good idea what the peace framework will look like. Russia keeps Crimea and parts of the other claimed areas. Ukraine becomes neutral and allowed to join the EU but not NATO. Putin is not happy about not getting all he wants, and Ukraine is not happy about not getting NATO. Both sides get something, and men stop dying. If thats the basis of talks, I think this gets resolved quickly, and Z moves to Florida to retire.
cms neuf  1 | 1742
12 hrs ago   #224
So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938
Lenka  5 | 3495
11 hrs ago   #225
I do believe that because Trump is so unpredictable that Vlad slows his roll.

Besides the fact I don't think Putin is afraid of Trimp, relaying country's safety and future on one guy from far away country? Seriously? What if Trump dies ( he is not the youngest after all)? Or in next elections Democrats win?
Who in the right senses would base a nation's future on that?
mafketis  38 | 10925
11 hrs ago   #226
So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938

But this time it'll work!
OP Novichok  5 | 7575
11 hrs ago   #227
and Z moves to Florida to retire.

Z in Florida was the plan from the beginning. The only open issue was how much of Ukraine will be owned by Blackrock when the shooting stops.
The US knew U would never be in NATO just as Mexico would never be part of the Warsaw Pact.
johnny reb  47 | 7543
10 hrs ago   #228
and Z moves to Florida to retire.

Can he really afford to since his net worth is only $20 million at best.
Z in Florida was the plan from the beginning

Its kind of looking like that, isn't it.
jon357  73 | 22967
10 hrs ago   #229
I don't think Putin is afraid of Trimp, relaying country's safety and future on one guy from far away country

Putin is several steps ahead.

So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938

Much the same politics. I can't see Ukraine giving an inch.
Lazarus  2 | 392
10 hrs ago   #230
So what you are proposing is exactly what happened to Czechoslovakia in 1938

Yes, but the Ukrainians are really not like the Czechs. Putin is going to find that while the North Nigerian orcs can grab land, subjugating millions of Ukrainians for an extended time is another matter altogether. Last time it was only managed by starving millions of them to death.
OP Novichok  5 | 7575
6 hrs ago   #231
subjugating millions of Ukrainians

I would like to subjugate azholes who continue to ignore the terms that Z and P were ready to sign off on in April 2022.

Inconvenient truth, morons?

As a reminder:

1. Russia keeps Crimea
2. Ukraine keeps the rest
3. No NATO in Ukraine

...and one million men stay alive...

That was it and the Western warmongers pounced because that meant peace and, as we all know so very well, peace is a dirty word in Warmongerland.
pawian  221 | 25000
6 hrs ago   #232
that Z and P were ready to sign off on in April 2022.

BS. Putin tried to win time. He didn`t manage to capture Kyiv so he needed to regroup. He would break the treaty after two months. Don`t be stupid.
Lenka  5 | 3495
5 hrs ago   #233
...and one million men stay alive...

Until next time Russia decides it wants to attack...
OP Novichok  5 | 7575
4 hrs ago   #234
Even Russia loves Trump.

Russian stocks surge on likely Trump victory
Analysts say investors hope for a positive change in the geopolitical climate due to a power shift in the White House

Until next time Russia decides it wants to attack...

...just as the US, UK, and Poland attacked Iraq.
pawian  221 | 25000
4 hrs ago   #235
Even Russia loves Trump

Yes, but Rusians invaded Ukraine hoping the West would remain reserved as before. And they got hugely disappointed. Ha!!!
Korvinus  2 | 564
4 hrs ago   #236
...just as the US, UK, and Poland attacked Iraq.

Iraq and Afghanistan weren't NATO jobs. Some members abstained, most members only sent token forces. The "coalition of the willing" was mostly made up of arab states, specifically because USA couldn't get Europeans to come help.
Even Russia loves Trump.

You guys have been claiming Ukraine is being ground down and going to collapse any minute now the entire war, from the first months. It hasn't happened, and it isn't going to happen. You guys aren't even willing to put down dates as predictions for when it will happen by anymore. Ever since even your vague long term estimates of 6 months or 1 year came and went with no sign of Ukrainian collapse.

Because Ukraine is winning the attrition war. As tragic as the manpower losses are for both sides, equipment will run out before manpower does.

Ukraine is generating more manpower than they are able to equip with heavy equipment currently and Western backers are able to sustain their current level of support for Ukraine long term, they are actually increasing their production steadily. They even have room to expand production at a significantly higher rate if there is the political will to do that.

Russia, meanwhile, is depleting their stockpiles and cannot produce anywhere near the level needed to sustain their efforts.

Russia's theory of victory is that they can convince the west to stop supplying Ukraine before Russia runs out of gas to sustain its offensive pace. It is not that they are going to attrit and collapse Ukrainian forces. Russia is realistic enough to know they aren't capable of doing that. But Russia's propaganda effort, that you all consume via Telegram, is geared towards trying to paint Russia's slow grinding advances as Inevitable Victory. But actually looking at the economic factors, production, and losses, that isn't so.


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