Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16

By 1960 living standards in defeated West Germany and Japan were already higher than in the UNNR

With democracy and the rule of law and security guarantees, Ukraine could teach the same level as Poland and Czech

Nobody wants to live like North Nigerians

There has to be somebody to "live", to appreciate the contrast with life under North Nigeria. Oddly enough, you don't seem to devote even 1% of your efforts to discussing this.

It's as if only Russia is in economic free fall, and has a nasty demographic horizon.

Nobody need mention that Ukraine is far past the threshold, at which Russian "death" is supposed to happen.

This is why people like you have zero credibility.


Merrily, we walk to the gallows! Maf Kissinger here has everything figured out. God save us.

Because I'm not a power mad narcissist and I realize it's not my choice. It's the choice of Ukrainian people. I know the idea of a country deciding things for itself is hateful to russians but I'm not russian, I value human freedom and human dignity (non-existent in russia).

What has russia done that would make the idea of russian victory acceptable to Ukrainians?

Do you actually have any remotely realistic conception of the Ukrainian people's wants? Have you bothered to look at surveys produced even by such outfits as Gallup and Thomson Reuters?

Zelensky does not equal the Ukrainian people.

Russia is objectively better able to run things than Ukrainians are. This applies to practically all things (with some notable exceptions). But in the things that matter, Russia delivers better outcomes.

1) Ease of access to government services: (both Russia and Ukraine are at the forefront in terms of digitizing things, but Russia is further still). America is light years behind both.

2) Healthcare - massive amounts are invested in Russia. Smaller regional towns in Luhansk and Donetsk that were acquired in 2014 have state of the art German MRI and CT scanners, let alone Moscow and bigger Russian cities. Ukraine has no such money.

3) Education - there is no question that Russian universities are, again, light years ahead of Ukrainian ones.

4) Practically every sector of the economy has a much bigger and much more efficient Russian player vs the Ukrainian equivalent.

5) Crime - petty crime, and violent crime are both significantly lower in Russia.

Ukraine is great on gloss and other forms of PR, but Russia still has a much, much more capable government than Ukraine. This can deliver better results for the people coming into Russian jurisdiction.

So? it's not your country. the US would objectively be able to run russia far better than russians have ever been able to manage, has better education, less crime, better medical equipment etc, that doesn't mean I think the US should take over russia...

get over yourselves, russians are not all that...

You forgot to mention the awesome food

The first difference is that the US did not birth Russia 1,000 years ago, and then Russia did not behave as an unruly adolescent.

The second difference, is that you couldn't do it, even if you attempted to. We are truly sovereign, unlike so many other countries.

The third gripe is that Russia is still able to run many things better than the US, and if you give us another 100 years without insane bolsheviks at the wheel, we can probably do many other things better than you too.

Look at your top ten companies on the stock exchange by market cap. See how many are created by Russian emigres, and extrapolate that to what is possible in Russia if the right environment is created.

russia did not birth Ukraine, and even if it did, it's a separate sovereign country. full stop.

Ukrainians should have the basic human right to ignore russia, just like Chileans or Thais do.

russia has always been run by violent psychotics... because russians don't care about freedom or dignity and they put up with them


I've always said that russia has the potential to be a superpower, but russians don't want that so russian talent, when it exists, mostly benefits other countries

Unfortunately this is true, and I cannot explain why this happens. Many Russian authors have also written on the subject, to not much satisfaction.

Again, you know much more about Russia than you know about Ukraine.

Perhaps start reading about Ukraine instead?

You betray your psychoses

I've given learning Ukrainian a try, but.... it's too close to Polish. For those who know a Slavic language, not natively but as a second language, balancing another Slavic language can be very tricky (much harder than balancing different Romance languages and Ukrainian and Polish are the perfect distance to be maximally hard to balance. I can decode Ukrainian signs in Poland but that's about it.

I've tried to become interested in russian a few times but it never caught on... too.... bulky, I didn't like the spelling (not phonetic enough) or accent (too whiny) etc...

On the other hand, russian spoken by Ukrainians sounds much nicer than russian spoken by russians (just as the Irish accent is more pleasant than most UK accents).

All weak excuses. If your brain is too lazy, use Google Translate. All Ukrainian newspaper owners have made it convenient to do so. At the top left, or right, of a screen on website like Ukrainska Pravda, you can select EN/RU/UA. Sometimes it does the translation naturally.


Stop pretending. You are so obviously obsessed with Russia. You could teach a course in Princeton on "How to Counter Russian Disinformation".


Yes, because these paranoid schizophrenic Polish pans were running experiments on them for centuries.

Maf, I'm telling you - come over to the dark side. The power of truth is incredible.

I am so happy....

If you decide to hit London, go for the mosques and LGBTs ...


I like vertical trajectories...You are dead before you hear it and feel it.

Finally, something profound and substantial, Mr. Moron...

Bobko will be amazed...

Good news. God love us all.

I just sow and heard. Russia said will issue warning to civilians of enemy countries prior to flatten some base or city, as retaliation because of recent escalation.

Thanks Russia. It would be much more of a favor to civilians then their own governments doing to them. At least people would flee somewhere.

Little mercies.

Neither do I but according to this report they'll take the next best option and prioritise targeting a US military base in Poland:

politico.eu/article/us-military-base-poland-priority-target-russia-war-ukraine/

Yep. That means very soon we will see what your rotten Article V is worth.

My guess - a big fat zero. No one wants to die for a warehouse full of weapons in the middle of nowhere in Poland.

Make sure to move all your people out. Putin said we will give advance warning to prevent deaths of innocents.

.....and soldiers.

Like he has so far? The Russian military have deliberately targeted civilians without warning.

How many civilians were killed by the Russian army between Feb 24, 2022 and Oct 31, 2024?

In fact, no one supports using nuclear threats to support a war of aggression like Russia is doing, and that includes China.

That is why anyone who is serious, or has a sense of objectivity, understands Russia's pathetic nuclear barking is not actually backed by anything.

That would be like suicide for Russia.


That is my position.Just a big dog barking....... barking mad I could add.....

From the-sun.com/news/12946683/ready-war-brit-putin-threatens-uk/

Putin calls secret meeting TONIGHT after threatening UK with new missile...as Brit military chief says we're ready for war

No, azholes...You will be ready for war when the US says you are ready for war.

In the meantime, go help your Muslim and black foreign scum land safely on your shores...or STFU...

It is obvious that the far left extremists want to do everything in their power to make this war a lot bigger. They need to keep feeding the MIC. Biden and Starmer are trying to create such a mess that Trump will have difficulty getting it cleaned up. Now imagine if Trump gets pi$$ed at the UK over this and they are the first ones he tells to fvck off. The UK is just a little yapping dog at Putins feet without the US. Imagine Z tells Trump he wont negotiate with Vlad and then Trump cutting off any future aid. How long can Europe support Ukraine with weapons and money? My guess is thatone or both of these scenarios actually takes place. Germany cant build its army quickly enough, or supply it quickly enough. Poland is years away from having enough of its own military and equipment. France is a biatch slap away from being nothing. Hungary isnt going to fight Russia. Sweden and Finland arent going to do anything. Who is going to back up all the tough talk here on PF if Trump pulls out completely because Z is too stupid to negotiate?

There aren't any, unless you count Kim Jong Un who is on r*SSia's side.

Evidently the PF Felon thinks that anyone who isn't far right is somehow far left.

What an appalling rant. And meanwhile r*SSia escalate things weekly; a sign of desperation since developments aren't moving in their favour.

Nicely said. Yes, the States used it and now washing their hands.

In fact. Some magnates used even States.


Exactly what, please.

newsweek.com/north-korean-troops-russia-ukraine-war-gorging-pornography-1981960

NK troops have had their first encounter with North Nigeria's fearsome army of amateur **** stars. It isn't going well.

I don't know if they realize it but Kim will never let them back home after they have seen the outside world.

In other news North Nigeria claim to have captured a village.

Without further escalation NATO, EU and Vatican would live longer, delusion would continue, the state of Ukraine would survive, on the long run things would tend to work against Russia and free world.

So, what exactly does not work in Russia`s favor?

Things that don't work in North Nigeria's favor

They have no money
Their main industry is down the toilet
Their army is crap
They rely on China and NK
The Ukrainian population will never accept them

what experiments do you have in mind? brain transplants?

Ukraine has run out of money three years ago. Every day since they are living on handouts.


Ukraine's main industry is webcam wh0res.


Ukraine has to send armed gangs of thugs to grab people off the street and stuff them into recruitment "party wagons".

well, Ukrainian borrowed a lot of words from Polish... but surprisingly a lot of Polish words have Ukrainian (Ruthenian) origins

btw, mafketis - have you tried learning Czech?