Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2

Learn English. "Rape" is not a "medical reason". Rape is an intercourse under threat or by force.

Either way the human being so conceived is not a party to the event. Maybe "mommie" is lying about that rape...

If the woman doesn't want to keep the baby, that does not give her the right to kill it. If she is too poor, we will take the infant and offer it for adoption...

In the US, she can drop it off at any designated place and just walk away...No questions asked.


Where is the noun, professor? Let me help you ... "an unborn human being"...

Iron is right. Just because it's legal does not mean it's not disgusting and immoral. It was legal for one human being to own another...

They are both murder ya rum dumb.
An unborn child IS an innocent living human being.
They feel pain just like you do.
Here Lyzko, wake up from your Woke brainwashing and smell the coffee
Here is a simple abortion question for you

...but they don't know the second law of thermodynamics so they can be killed...

BTW, I don't know, either, and couldn't care less...Just saying...

JR, that video made me hate those disgusting weasels more than I thought would be possible...

Only a woman is capable of saying: I can't define a woman because I don't have a degree in biology...

Modern women make Mengele look good...

Best hope that neither one of your granddaughters is unfortunate enough to get raped and end up pregnant. Good to know that you would insist on her carrying her rapist's baby to term after surviving the trauma of rape. Clearly, her mental state wouldn't even be considered.

That applies to all the other PF members with wives, daughters, sisters, who strongly oppose abortion. I'd like to know how many of you would insist on their female loved ones carrying a rapist's baby to term. I can foresee broken marriages and permanently fractured relationships.

Yeah and in Rich's case (Novichock)especially if the rapist happens to be black or have some colour to him..... I bet he would change his tune then.....let's see his response.....should be fun.....

Please do not BAIT other members

The rape vs pregnancy rates are clearly fake in the mass media. Just check this data - the stats claim it's about 3 times more likely for a woman to get pregnant during a rape than during a sexual intercourse with her partner. Something really doesn't add up here; if that's the case, women should want to get raped instead of going to a fertility clinic.

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  Rape vs Pregnancy Rate
  

...a bs feminazis used to justify 60 million abortions since Roe in the US. Fewer people died during WW2.

Here is the sequence:

1. Rape.
2. 911
3. Police
4. Hospital to flush the sperm out

... all in less than one hour. No pregnancy to abort and no need for "abortion rights".

Or a morning-after pill... Even the pope would not consider this a case of abortion.


Thanks, JR. They do it all the time ... vicious, personal, upsetting, and totally moronic since laws should never be passed to make individuals feel better.

Hey, Feniks, would you allow abortions a day before term?

Oh, like you love to do?Why are you still on PF having been so exposed and discredited?

@Novichok

Mate, you avoided the question..... what would you do if your granddaughter got pregnant after being raped by a black man?

Answer the question you coward!

1. Rape.
2. 911
3. Police
4. Hospital to flush the sperm out

An hour later...problem solved...Then comes the trauma and PTSD...no pregnancy...

How about you?

I don't think so, she will still give birth to a black child.What then?

AI has an idea:

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  babysitting.avif
  

Love it!!!!!

1. Rape.
2. 911
3. Police
4. Hospital to flush

In post #181 you said:


You are suggesting that women who become pregnant following rape should carry the baby to term and have it adopted.
Therefore, it follows that should the worst happen to one of your granddaughters, this is your stance on the matter. It is not me baiting you, it's a perfectly reasonable assumption to make given what you said.. Pregnancy after rape might not be that common but it still happens and is a legitimate reason for an abortion, it's not some bullsh!t to justify it.


Rape is not always reported straight away and often goes unreported. Your ideal response is not going to prevent conception.

BTW, if you think flushing the sperm out in a hospital will prevent pregnancy, you are sadly mistaken.

Or keep it. It is, after all, also her baby - unwanted, yes, but her baby nonetheless.


That would be my stance if it happened to my daughter. We are not murderers - neither my daughter nor me.


Erm... it is a legitimate reason to murder a baby because its father is a rapist? WTF? What about fathers who kill people in car accidents or fathers who don't fill their tax declarations - should their children be held responsible for their crimes too? Or is rape the only crime of a father for which the child should pay (with its life!). The mental retardation that the abandoning of Christian faith and the civilisation of death causes is terrifying.

EDIT:

Of course, rapists should be punished very severely. Long term prison sentences for the first crime, and then the death penalty but for the rapist not for the child!

Actually the church is against morning after pill. And hospitals do no do 'sperm flush out' (facepalm)

No, because the mother of that baby is that rapists victim.

Erm... let me get this straight: person A is a victim of person B, therefore it is a legitimate reason to kill person C? Is that what you're saying?

I'm clarifying.

But yes, I believe an abortion should be permitted in that case.
I put the women's life above fetus in early stages (I'm adding the early stages because someone will start talking about full time pregnancy)

Keep it? You'd keep a kid of a man who raped your wife?


No, it isn't. In the raped woman's mind it often isn't her baby, because she didn't consent to it.


What if it happened to your wife?


Imho, it's easy to say it if it didn't happen to your daughter or wife. And what if it did happen to one of them and the thought of the rapists baby growing inside her would traumatise her even more and she wouldn't want to give birth to it? Would you force your daughter, for example, to have it anyway?

Btw, Torq, I used to have a similar opinion to you about abortion after rape. Even on this forum I argued against it. But with age came more understanding and empathy towards raped women and it's not so simple for me anymore. So nowadays I'm glad that women in Poland have the option not to give out the rapists' seed with his faulty genes into this world and may it stay like this forever.

A side thought - it looks like men just don't get raped often enough.

But the woman's life is not in danger. What are you talking about?


Yes, I would, I am not a child murderer, and I would raise it to be a good man/woman.

I might feel tempted to murder the rapist, but not the child. Who do you take me for? A bloodthirsty beast who would murder an innocent child for something that its father did?


Surely you can see that it's illogical.


Don't be such a nazi! It is mostly nurture not nature that makes a human being. I know great and honest people whose fathers were criminals. Stop this Waffen-SS "faulty genes" talk, Paulina.


That's a very sexist thing to say. Tsk-tsk...

So you don't believe in genetics.... and you think rapists should be rewarded.


Actually... genetic predispositions have been found for all sorts of things. Nurture can move the dial a bit but the range is set by nature.

Attempts to overcome genetics fail over and over and over again. Recent example:

x.com/JonBaronforMD/status/1944783901664178531

Personally, I don't want rapists to reproduce and don't think of early (first two months esp) abortion as 'murder' (and neither do anti-abortion people unless they want to prosecute the woman and abortion provider for murder). It's not something to be taken lightly and the decision should be the woman's. If she wants to go ahead and have the baby then fine, if not, I'm not going to judge.

Did you talk to your wife about it?


It's not about that. It's about prioritising the well-being of your wife or daughter.


No, it isn't. Biology isn't enough to make a parent, as I'm sure you realise. Look at all those "baby daddies."

I know of women who aren't capable of loving and properly taking care of their rapists' kids and even those who seem to resent them. Sorry, but human psychology isn't always as "logical" as you would like it to be.


Maybe, but I've seen a documentary about it and violent behaviour is actually passed down in the genes. Of course, it's not only about "nature," it's also about "nurture", but women usually don't want to raise their rapists' kids and so those kids are likely to end up in orphanages where those bad genes could get triggered. That's the reality and not wishful thinking.

Btw:


That's funny coming from you - I remember how you wrote that women who don't want to have children must be genetically "faulty" - that it's nature's way of stopping them from procreating.


Why? Maybe if men got raped more often (by men, not women) they would show more understanding, empathy and Christian compassion towards raped women, girls and kids.

Yes, we see that all you women put yourselves first and to hell with the unborn child like its the unwanted child's fault.
How selfish can you get.
@Paulina
Empty some of your P.M.'s in your mailbox as it is full

The difference is that I get warnings and suspensions for it and you don't for some reason lol

That would depend on what kind of rape you are referring to.
Women rape men every day and ruin the mans life.

As a matter of fact I did. My wife is a good Christian and she is of the same opinion.


Having a child is not against a well-being of a woman. It can even bring her unspeakable joy.

Provided you don't murder it.


Then let such woman give the child for adoption. The baby will bring the couple who waited for such opportunity much happiness in life.

Provided you don't murder it.


Quite possible. That's why children need good nurture to properly utilise their natural inclinations. Such child can grow up to be a great soldier, police officer or a boxing olympic champion.

Provided you don't murder it.

You see, that's what it all boils down to: you don't murder innocent children...

- not for their fathers' crimes,
- not because they might cause someone a trauma,
- not because they are unwanted by their biological mothers

... not for any reason in fact.

You just don't murder children.

It is terrifying that one even has to say such thing.

As I wrote - men just don't get raped often enough. Really, you don't.


And why would I do that?


You're the type of a man that cares more about religion than about your wife or daughter. A type better avoided, imho.


A gang-rape by a few men who just got out of prison done in the most humiliating and violent manner that gets your anus ruptured to the point that you can't sh1t in a normal way. That kind of rape :) How about you experience something like that and then get back to me about having to give birth to a kid of one of those monsters.

I disagree. Nowadays I think that the well-being of a woman or a girl is more important for me than the existence of a cluster of cells. It should be the woman's/girl's decision. That's the end of story for me already.


Not everyone is religious though and not everyone views a cluster of cells as a "child".


Well, yes, but children "from rape" may often not get that. And what are you going to do about it? Will you adopt them? No, you won't.

With all respect to your wife - she was never raped, right? Imho, you never really know until this happens to you. I don't know what I would do myself. And I hope I and your wife and your daughter will never find out.