Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2

Woman has to as well.
But don't compare paying child support to being pregnant and giving birth!
But let's make it more equal and let as many abortions are there are dads not paying child support, deal?

of course you are wrong, we are talking about child maintanance. Ha!!!


hahaha You definitely think too highly of yourself now. Watch out coz your head will grow too big to wear a hat. It was you who addressed me first in this thread. Look above, I was talking to johhny and Novi and you cut in senselessly.

The same happens in other threads. I talk to sb else and you meddle in.

it would be interesting to see abortion on father's demand - I wonder how many women would be outraged

True, however I would say 98% of cases when women considers abortion the man either is not in the picture, is completely pro or indifferent. And considering the rate of man sticking around when a child is disabled I don't see how they should be taken into consideration

Indeed, 40 weeks of a full-term pregnancy and 12 to 24 hours of labor is a vacation when compared to the actual burden of child support lasting years and even into decades.

Don't compare maternity with paternity either. After all, maternity is a matter of fact whereas paternity is a matter of opinion!


Let's sweeten the deal and require a paternity test before any man is ordered to pay child support.


What are the chances that your dad isn't your father?

"Interweaving strands of evolutionary research suggests that paternity confidence forms part of the glue bonding men to their children and to the women who bore them. Undermine that confidence and men invest less readily in the subsistence and safety of their families, and become more likely to abscond."

theconversation.com/what-are-the-chances-that-your-dad-isnt-your-father-24802

That can be stopped by giving the child up for adoption ( or simply f.. off as so many fathers do), pregnancy and birth can't. Plus a mother has all that on top of pregnancy and birth and the stigma of leaving her kids if she gives them up ( that somehow almost never seem to be the case with man)


Great. Works for me. After all it's not St Mary's case and someone is the father. I have nothing against finding the actual bum.

Yes, that's definitely an option for women. Has been for centuries.


Many women already do that too and have done so since the dawn of humanity.


There is no stigma for women in giving up their children. Only regret that they gave up a future meal ticket once the father/husband dies or is no longer legally required to provide financial support.


Great and the responsibility will be for the woman to identify him because women always know who the actual father is.

That's what I said. Child support is different than spousal support, aka alimony.

@Lenka

Again, why should a man have to pay his share for something that's not his body, yet he doesn't have an equal say in the fate of that which isn't his body?

BOTH parents have to pay their share.


Because it's not him who is affected by the pregnancy and birth.

So the women has certain say in the beginning of pregnancy (as the pregnancy is affecting her body and her life) until she looses her say as well.

I'm sure his bank account would beg to disagree.

Its the womans body so why are these women not more responsible and accountable for it ?
They have options of staying celibate, taking the birth control pill, not getting drunk when horny, getting an I.U.D., become a lesbo to satisfy their sexual urges, pre spermicidal creams. rhythm methos, and many other options to avoid getting knocked up.

Women need to start taking responsibility for their bodies and quit trying to blame everyone else besides themselves.

You can't help it, can you? Showing for all to see how dumb you are.
PF and fora like PF are for all posters to debate and talk to each other on any number of issues, That is what I; 'm doing, if you don't want to talk to me just don't respond. Meddle? I type a post you can read or not forget about it or respond to it that is your choice, you idiot.

I wonder why are you so twisted to try to make it my fault? you are not on my level and you don't know how to debate properly, you are not intelligent enough to turn the tables in your favor? I told you at the start to give up that such ambition of yours that tells you are a big player on PF, that is going to be the end of you. In simple terms, you are F with the wrong person. Why would you do it to yourself again and again and again you never learn. Sad.

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Because otherwise, it is a sexist and selfish approach. why would men allow women to do it? That is a proper question. Also, all those women chose who they slept with, it wasn't some kind of lottery. So, not only women are sexist, irresponsible, and reckless but also they are very bad judges of characters and don't know a thing about men.

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Can you write shorter posts coz I don`t have time to read all your bs. I mean I have a lot of time coz it is holiday but for funnier things than you.


RelaXXX! It is sumer holidays!!!

Two years ago I argued for abortion claiming that more and more women are left by their partners and have to raise the kid/kids on their own. One poster suggested that child support money solves the problem. I laughed at it, quoting the statistics.

Which haven`t improved since then. They are even worse. And the state doesn`t know how to deal with the issue.

The mountain of debts that almost no one in Poland wants to pursue has already reached almost PLN 16 billion. As many as 94% of child support debtors are men, who already owe PLN 15 billion. The number of the youngest debtors is growing rapidly.

That is why I still believe women need to have a choice.

Have you ever been successful in getting a woman to pay for anything? Even half? :)

Polish proverb says: Strike the table and the scissors will clank! hahaha


Yes, it was you, Polo. You remember that exchange, I see. :):):)

Sorry, the statistics is merciless - it is males who owe 90% child support to mothers of their kids.

That is why women expect the abortion law to be changed. And it will happen next year when a decent President is elected. I am going to vote for him having the fate of Polish women in mind.

Well, then just get rid of the feminist courts, give fathers custody, and have women pay support!

You got problems? I got solutions! :)


But the not the fate of Polish children which you always complain Poland needs more of.

If giving custody was a solution to the problem, then 90% would drop to 10%. But it won`t coz most "fathers" who refuse to pay aren`t interested in it.

No. They are disincentivized and demoralized. It's a universal problem.

Women are the ones who always want to control their boyfriends or husbands and punish them on a whim. And what ultimate way to do this than by denying fathers custody, preventing them from seeing their children, and then making them pay for it all?

I didn't realise that you're such a comedian!!

Most men would balk at the thought of having to care for their children on a full-time basis.

Oh, look, another feminist harridan pretending to understand fatherhood.

Especially if disabled as proven y how many abandon them.

Are the women in your family like that? I find it truly amazing how the misogynists on this forum will freely denigrate women with the exception being their own female family members.


I personally know men that are excellent loving fathers to their children. Credit where credit's due. However, I know far more men who have failed miserably at even being in their children's lives. Please don't pretend that men never shirk their responsibilities because it just makes you sound like an arsehole.


You're not wrong....

Polish women don`t care if it is universal or not. They only want to enjoy their rights. Simple.


Sad but true. Years ago I volunteered for the disabled kid family group in our local church. There were about 20 families who we cared for. I remember it like today that I was struck with the view of only one male aka father aka husband who stuck to his wife as well as to his completely incapacitated daughter on the wheelchair. All other families consisted of the mother and her disabled teenage/adult child.
PS. I still keep in touch with my "assigned" family. Two disabled sons have died and it is the mother who we regularly invite to spend time with us and I go to her place to do minor repairs.

I'm no longer amazed at how the misandrists on this forum will freely denigrate men, including (and oftentimes especially) their own male family members.


Pure feminist fiction.

The only children many men are understandably not interested in investing their time and resources in are those who aren't genetically their own. Still, there are men who, even knowing they've been cucked, continue to care for children who aren't theirs and without a court order.


Not just Polish women are like that - all women are like that!

It's always, and only, about their rights - never about their responsibilities. Fact!

And they are perfectly entitled to being so!!! After centuries.... no, after millenia of being treated low by males, now it is is the time they stand up and be/do who/what they wish at last!!!
Fingers crossed!!!
Don`t blame me for my feminist penchant coz I won`t change. Ha!!!

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God aka Goddess imposed on women incessant responsibilities because of that Forbidden Fruit mistake. Women endured it for millenia and never complained. But the absolution time has come at last! Women are gaining their rights and males can`t stop it. And true men support women`s cause.

Hey, cool it! Go get a room! :)

The simple truth is that women do three things well: make babies, shop, and run the household.

Everything else has been discovered, invented, constructed, and made available be men. If women went on strike, men could also shop and be parents.

I read somewhere that as single parents, men are better than women. It's harder for some teen punk to terrorize a man.