Abortion still under control in Poland - part 2

... influenced by the people I mentioned. He wasn't alone though - most of bishops worldwide adopted the post-modernist position on capital punishment, contrary to almost 2000 years of Church tradition.


... you follow almost 2000 years of traditional Church's teachings and the Bible (which I quoted in #251).

On the other hand, Paulina, if you are against the death penalty, then you choose to follow modernist teachings from the second half of 20th century and disregard what the Church had taught for almost two millenia.

Hmm... what should people choose: 2000 years of tradition or several decades of modernist nonsense? *rolls eyes*


Same here. I really can't stand those heartless people who are willing to murder an unborn child for the crime of its father, to avoid its mother's trauma, or because it is not wanted. Horrible, cruel people. :(

No, we were discussing abortion after rape. That's why I wrote:

"The point of contention is what are those situations that warrant abortion."

Are you against abortion if the woman's health (not only life) is in danger?

Are you against abortion after incest rape?

Are you OK with even young girls being forced to give birth after rape?


So? Doctors are still obliged to prioritise the mother's life over the baby's after eight weeks of pregnancy.


Then according to people like you it is also a murder when abortion is saving the mother's life or health. That was my point.


Or by the actual teachings of Christ? Sorry, Torq, but I think you're an idiot.


Then the Bible doesn't state anywhere that a mother isn't allowed to abort her own baby.

And as for Romans 13:4 - Paul just states that people should obey the government and its laws, which is... stupid? Because what about evil governments and evil laws? Should people obey Nazi and Stalinist governments and laws then? 🤦


...who have more empathy for a few cells than for a fully developed human being who's suffering.
People like you who want to punish women for getting abortion after rape should be raped multiple times by multiple men in the most disgusting, humiliating and violent ways for a prolonged period of time. Maybe then you'd develop some empathy and compassion not only for a fetus, but also for raped women and girls. 🤮

What a coincidence - my thoughts about you are exactly the same!


The traditional Roman Catholic interpretation of the fragment in question, whether you like it or not, is that state/civil rulers have legitimate authority to execute justice, even by capital punishment.


There we go again... *yaaaawn*


Spare us your sick fantasies - no one wants to hear the filth that crawls out of your evil mind, you disgusting person. 🤮🤮🤮

BS. You and other feminazis use that "rape" as a tactical move to get that camel under the tent...

And that "what if it's your granddaughter" crap...If it was my granddaughter she would to this:

Here is the sequence:

1. Rape.
2. 911
3. Police
4. Hospital to flush the sperm out

... all in less than one hour. No pregnancy to abort and no need for "abortion rights", so FO with that "rape"...

Female psychologist destroys her career by having SEX with one of her patients

Oh, fvck...I think I am pregnant...I need an abortion...Police??? I was raped!!!!! You have to trust me...I am a woman, you pig...

... dare to talk about to justify murdering innocent children in their mother's wombs. They use Christ, who said "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them" and who said "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me", to justify their disgusting murderous instincts.

What unspeakable evil! 🤮

It takes less than a minute to win the abortion debate...

Their luck is that this is not a trial, they are not under oath, and cannot be forced to answer all questions as asked.

So the weasels wiggle or ignore you...

Every time some azzhole says "but rape" I will post this:

Here is the sequence:

1. Rape.
2. 911
3. Police
4. Hospital to flush the sperm out

... all in less than one hour. No pregnancy to abort and no need for "abortion rights", so FO with that "rape"...

If done in 72 hours, no pregnancy, no abortion, no regrets...

Strangely, it's the women that are easy on criminals and ready to forgive while the POS is still smiling before the sentence is announced.

Really? Why is that? I don't claim that people I disagree with over the interpretation of what was written in the Bible (and the interpretations vary since some stuff weren't covered or are vague) were influnced by "masons and retards". 🤦 You're offending John Paul II in this way. You may not agree on something with him (I may also not agree with everything), but he certainly wasn't an idiot and my guess is that he studied the Bible and other religious writings more than you did.


That would also mean Nazi and Stalinist state/civil rulers. So Paul was an idiot too :D


That's not a fantasy, that's what happens to real women and girls around the world. And it happens that they get pregnant as result of such filth that you don't even want to hear about. That's the filth that people like you deserve to experience.


There's no such thing you hopeless moron. 🤦 All you can get at the hospital (in theory at least) is emergency contraception and you can only hope that you were given it early enough.


I don't use Christ to justify abortion, you idiot ;D
I stated that intentional abortion performed by the mother or on her request isn't prohibited anywhere in the Bible.
You, however, use Paul's words to justify the murder of criminals (who are human beings too).

...in one hour... with 71 hours still available to have a nite out...

What about women and girls who were abducted by the rapists and raped for days and they did get pregnant?


What??

You should have kept quiet when you had the chance, idiot.


Yes you do. You talk about "actual teachings of Christ" while all the time arguing for the murdering of babies. Ridiculous.

Sorry, but I don't feel like talking to such a depraved, disgusting and thoroughly morally corrupt person like you. For me you are now on a level par with Strzelec, and I'm putting you on ignore.

The point of contention was that abortion is

That was the point of contention Buttercup.

I wouldn't say an idiot, just a bull headed Polak with a touch of schizophrenia
We have gone over all this bullshit a hundred times now and all she does is reword it while adding another sentence to it hoping to change the outcome.
Take this one for example
I simply stated that a fetus is considered a human being after eight weeks and her train of thought comes back with something totally irrelevant to that point.

WE WEREN'T DEBATING A DR.'S PRIORITIES !
We were debating when a fetus was considered a human. DUH !
Stick to the topic but you can't because your brain is schizo so you have disorganized speech with thoughts that jumps from one topic to another that is difficult to understand which is why you end up arguing with everyone.
They can say what they want about you Paulina, but I think being able to turn one sentence into a six hour argument takes talent.

I am truly terrified that you appear to regard women as little more than incubators and that their feelings are totally disregarded.

If I was forced to have a rapist's child I would regard it only with revulsion, a permanent living reminder of a traumatic event that I could never forget. Not the child's fault at all but I can't help the way that I feel. If my partner had such little regard for my mental health and forced me into that ordeal then we would be heading for the divorce courts.


Does not support the death penalty so when you advocate for the death of the rapist but not the child you come across as a total hypocrite. Either all human life is sacred or it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose.


Some of them do, sadly. My opinion is that those that shout the loudest tend to be the least Christian of all. A generalisation, but it seems to hold water on PF.


Paulina is none of those things. She asks questions that are important and relevant. As for comparing her with Strzelec, how low can you go?


Unless we come round to your way of thinking? I've noticed that you talk about people who disagree with you in that smug and supercilious manner. Same when you throw scorn on women with careers and without children. You give me the impression that you don't much like women and that you see them as little more than breeders.

Ever read/watched The Stepford Wives? ;)

Pretty sure the RC is against that too...


In the old US South before BC was more widely available, young women might try that with a bottle of coke.... didn't work for them either....

So, you would let hatred get the better of you. By killing the baby you would add murder to the rape. Two crimes instead of one. Congratulations.


The Catholic tradition does not hold that all taking of life is morally equivalent. The moral distinction lies between:

- innocent human life, which is always inviolable;

- guilty human life, which under certain grave circumstances may be forfeited.

This distinction is rooted in Scripture, the natural moral law, and centuries of Church teaching. The unborn child is completely innocent. Abortion is the direct, intentional killing of innocent life, and this is always gravely immoral.


You're right. I was being unfair to Strzelec - he's sick and depraved but at least he doesn't want to murder children.

Should miscarriages be subject to police investigation?

@johnny reb

Why are you still here?You have been totally exposed and have lost all respect(Not that you had any anyway) and your points of view are now irrelevant.And that is why you are largely being ignored by PF posters.



Torq, you really are a pathetic human being and a moron.

And talking about Torq:


Agreed 100%!


Exactly! Torq is just a complete animal!!!

Torq is a very sad old bigot with views that would have been out of touch years ago! He is a complete and utter moron!

Miscarriages should not automatically be investigated by the police. Unless, of course, there is clear and compelling evidence of wrongdoing or deliberate action to induce the miscarriage (such as self-administering an abortion drug).

Routine policing of natural miscarriages would require too many police resources which are already quite stretched, and it would also be unjust, intrusive and lacking compassion for women who suffer deeply when they lose children through miscarriage.

So, not automatically but only when there is clear evidence of wrongdoing.


A human being or an animal? Make up your mind, half-wit.

...and held captive? No limits. Plus the death penalty for all the perps - driver and on-lookers included...

That happened frequently ... like every 10 years...big problem...

All other cases ...out!!!


Good POR. Women are worse.

At least Strzelec was not proud.

The screaming "ABORTION RIGHTS NOW!!!" bit*ches are proud, but throw a fit when we propose to show a video how abortion is done to women who want one.

To me, it's simple (even considering that there is less than a 1% chance of a woman becoming pregnant from rape).

If a woman becomes pregnant due to a verified rape (reporting to the police is a mandatory requirement), she should be legally protected and able to have an abortion after consulting with a licensed psychologist or a priest.

At the end of the day, it is her life and her decision, which she will have to live with until death.

Without question, an animal and a moron!


Where the £uck did you get that stat from?

Totally ridiculous! The chances of a woman getting pregnant from rape is exactly the same as if she made love to her partner......another moron on PF!

Wrong; read my recent post in this thread presenting the stats and apply logic to the math to figure it out.

Reading your "Stats" is an obvious waste of time, all you need is common sense to know that your stats are complete and utter bollox!

I always suspected you are a retard. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Said the complete and utter retard in this thread.......make some credible posts, until then STFU!

lol

Stop foaming at the mouth, British poodle.

Exactly. At the hospital a rape victim is going to be getting a forensic exam with swabs being taken for DNA, this specifically requires NOT having the sperm flushed out. Novi is so not a genius.


Hatred and revulsion are not the same thing. The only thing that matters to you is that the baby is born. What sort of a life do you think it would have with a mother that cannot love the child?


Someone with the voice of reason.


This is America and not Poland but according to this CDC article, it is 1 in 20 women.

cdc.gov/sexual-violence/about/pregnancy-resulting-from-rape.html

Oh, yes - it would have a difficult life, so let's murder it!

You genuinely terrify me.

There is also the possibility of giving the child for adoption. Anything is better than murdering it. How can you not understand it?

Can't you tell, he is drunk again.
Just ignore him like the rest of us do.

Yes, these stats are just stats; most of them are overstated to make sure the hospitals get enough money, at least in the US.