Abortion still under control in Poland

@jon357 Maybe once antibiotic resistance hits home we'll return to that method...
The development of modern healthcare is not completely separate from Christianity and so I don't think you can separate it now.

An embryo, for the BAZILLIONTH time, friends, is indeed a living, yet not (yet) a conscious, being! Satisfied?

Except to the boneheaded Fundamentalists of whatever religious stripe, the exact moment when life begins is to be sure one of the oldest questions extant, and is likely to be for as long as the human race exists.

As my college philosophy prof (a former broker, incidentallyLOL) once put it, "Always seek the company of those who seek the truth; run from those who've found it!"

Furthermore, interesting that the US punishes just reg'lar folks for every infraction under the sun, from parking violations to non-payment of rent, yet almost never for those inhuman violations which also occur every day, such as taking away a woman's right over her own body, the patient's basic right to be treated both courteously as well as honestly by her primary care physician, and a the day-to-day incivilities or indignities to which many of us are subjected on a normal basis.

The latter go unpunished since nearly everyone can be paid off these days somehow.
In former times, such was not so rampantly the case.

@Lyzko, Unfortunately not, until you provide the moment when it is no longer considered to be an embryo, which of course is impossible, we can only operate on the assumption that it is a human being from conception, anything else is a crime against logic which is ironic given that it is the rational, enlightened people pushing these mental gymnastics. Agree to disagree and move on?

Or maybe we'll look at bacteriophages. Research is quite advanced and they are in use now.


Or any other reliving or belief system. Why not Thelma, Islam, Buddhism, Humanism, Animism or Dianetics?

In Christianity, if Jehovah can create a universe, can He not deal with the soul (if there is one) of a miscarried or terminated embryo?

I'm glad there is some kind of plan in place with regards to the antibiotic resistance!

I consider Catholicism to be unique but I'm obviously a bit biased, I don't think modern medicine could have arisen from anything other than Christian societies but again heavy bias probably playing a part there!

I try not to delve too deeply into such things! way above my station.

The same.

At risk of pouring oil on water, I'd suggest that modern medicine and science would never have been possible without the Reformation, however certainly Europe has done something right over the centuries.

About abortion, I'd not say i like the concept however if God exists, he can deal with it. I suspect He would consider human suffering a greater problem.

...and the dumbest because of its deliberate simplicity to make it easier to create a catchy one-liner, easy-to-remember slogan.
A more exact question would require a definition of what life is. Is an ameba a living organism? If so, so is an embryo. It sure couldn't pass a bar exam but that does not make it dead.

Bottom line: the opposite of life is death, not brilliance.

Social enforcement mechanisms offer a more effective alternative to legal ones, which includes stigmatizing abortion culture for what it is: a death cult.

ussanews.com/2022/05/30/behind-the-facade-abortion-culture-is-a-transhumanist-death-cult/

One day, we will find a link between abortions and school massacres.
350,000 aborted vs 100 shot. Not even close.

@jon357
Yeah I agree the reformation was key.

@johnny reb,
Those articles are bad for your health! There's a grain of truth but a shovel load of bullshit aswell (at least I hope that is the case!).

Now if we could only have them to stop abortions.

.....and the opposite of brilliance is stupidity, RIch ol' boy LOL

PO under Tusk is planning to abolish the right wing decree banning abortion in Poland.

notesfrompoland.com/2022/06/08/tusk-promises-abortion-up-to-12-weeks-and-same-sex-partnerships-in-march-towards-modernity/

Yes, I know, abortion is bad, however women need to gain their rights back. There can`t be compromises about it.

I am going to vote for pro choice movements and parties. Let everybody decide for themselves. Down with the conservative control of the society.

PS. One of the conservative posters here claimed that alimony from irresponsible fathers is one of the reasons why women mustn`t have abortions. So, let me tell you, the latest statistics show that unpaid alimony has reached its record levels in Poland - 13 billion PLN - nearly 3 billion $. Nice.

money.pl/gospodarka/blisko-280-tys-rodzicow-nie-placi-alimentow-winni-sa-rekordowa-kwote-6841580760680992a.html


Fathers account for 94 % of all debtors. There are over 262,000 of them in the register, compared to 16 thousand women.

Is it a surprise why some women feel they need to have their rights about abortion brought back???

Interesting priorities given the challenges that Poland and the EU is currently facing? Is PO now effectively just the political arm of Strajk Kobiet?

Are going to be seeing Traz and Tusk defecating in churches on the campaign trail?

Don't be silly.

They will certainly win though; people much prefer them to the shower of reactionary and theocratic loons who are currently finishing their time in office.

Didn't you say that the last election?

Yes, and the presidential election was as close as a hair's breadth; one reason why they were so anxious to have it quickly during the pandemic since the support they'd had was haemorrhaging by the day.

In some respects, the US has started to resemble Poland. You folks still control abortion and our Supreme Court merrily voted down Roe v. Wade!

Rightist fundamentalist ignoramuses in states such as Georgia, Alabama, and Montana want to monitor 24/7 what our kids watch, read or listen to on social media.

The difference is merely Poland's nearly hundred percent Catholic majority as opposed to America's ever waning (if forever battling) vocal Protestant Fundamentalists.

Because Roe had no basis in the US Constitution and the so-called "right to choose" was just a bs line, not a constitutional right.

If you can find it in the US Constitution, please let the US Supreme Court know where to look.

Oh, I see. And I suppose the New Deal has "no basis in the Constitution" either, is that it?!

Ahemm, man hadn't harnessed electricity, nor found a cure for the common cold during the days in which the Bible was written, but does that make former somehow "Devil's work" or 'ungodly"??

Turn on your brain.....and keep it plugged in LOL

No, Mr. Deflector. We are discussing Roe, not the New Deal. You are free to start a new thread on that subject.

Yes, Mr. Evasion. The two are analogous, as both have been attacked for decades by types much as yourself!

Guess anything which actually HELPS American citizens must be either illegal, unconstitutional, wrong or just plain bad, eh?
lol

Therefore what? Roe is constitutional?

It was voted on by the S.C. in '73!
So all the Justices were on drugs, Rich??!
Quit projecting, man.

No, they were wrong because they were under pressure from the leftists like you who realized they couldn't get their abortion "rights" the democratic way - via Congress and state legislatures.

Beyond this point, I will charge you a fee for the knowledge you lack. Now you can debate your favorite analogies with somebody else.

Roe is dead.


A woman can do to her body or with her body whatever she wants. If she is insane, we will lock her up.

Well then, Richie ol' man, by your logic, abortion is her right to do with her body as she darn pleases!

Women have to get their rights back. If they don`t, ritards can kiss goodbye to power. Both in the US and Poland. Simple.

Yes, she has a right to do whatever she wants to her body.

So then we agree on at least something Rich. But why all the fuss 'n feathers up to this point?

@Amen, pawian! Their rights AND their bodies:-)

Read about the influence that Roe has had on the occurence on serial killers in the USA.