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Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023


jon357 74 | 21,799
24 May 2023 #31
Is the Church

By "the Church", do you mean Christianity as its whole body of believers or do you mean the Roman Catholic denomination? If the latter, then yes, they are far more powerful in Poland than over there. Unfortunately for them, the 'JPII effect' is now finished and a trough always follows a peak.

They responded to that by intransigence, bloody-mindedness and lashing out which in turn has created animosity and (together with the COVID lockdowns when many people realised that they can not only manage nicely without going on Sunday but actually feel better for not going) added to the dramatic fall in mass attendance that Poland has seen in recent years. The RCC has found that hard to deal with and that, together with PiS' dog-whistling to its rural target voters by aligning with the RCC has intensified the problem.
Lyzko 45 | 9,274
24 May 2023 #32
Yes jon, that's precisely what I meant! Thanks.
Bobko 25 | 1,935
24 May 2023 #33
Give me an openly godless leftist anytime before those two-faced hypocrites; at least an openly godless leftist is an enemy who approaches me face-to-face

Hey that describes me, and my relationship with you quite well.

give me an openly godless, rainbow-colours-wearing, dick-on-parade-waving, transsexual lesbian leftist anytime, he (she?) is not a threat to me at all.

Mmmm... perhaps this is less applicable to our situation.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
24 May 2023 #34
Hey that describes me, and my relationship with you quite well.

You, an enemy? God forbid... or, if you prefer, Mother Nature/Some Undefined Higher Force forbid. ;)
Paulina 16 | 4,203
25 May 2023 #35
I rather let myself get killed then leave the church

Well, that's your... problem, I guess.

If I stop being a member, then everything I work for and live for become meaningless to me.

To be honest, this is a strange attitude to me. Faith is far more important than belonging to one denomination or another. But, as I wrote - that's your business and your take on it. Other people may see it differently than you. It doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong or "greedy".

from my perspective you are trying to persuade me to attempt suicide so back off before I get infuriated

Did you lose your mind completely? I'm not trying to persuade you to do anything, let alone to "attempt suicide" o_O What on Earth is wrong with you?
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
1 Jun 2023 #36
Korwin-Mikke wants an alliance with Putin and claims that Ukraine is a bigger enemy of Poland than Russia...



... I wonder how this will affect Konfederacja's chances in the coming elections. :)
Bobko 25 | 1,935
1 Jun 2023 #37
Korwin-Mikke wants an alliance with Putin

This is great, however I'm not sure if Putin wants an alliance with Korwin-Mikke.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
1 Jun 2023 #38
I'm not sure if Putin even knows who Korwin-Mikke is. :D

He is an 80-year-old politician, well-known for his shocking views. He is also protected by parliamentary immunity*, so he can openly say things that most people can't openly say without fear of being persecuted (like the teacher who was put in front of disciplinary committee for taking part in a legal demonstration against Polish support for Ukrainians).

*Now, however, with "lex Tusk" passed, even MPs might be afraid to say anything that could be considered pro-Russian. Strange times we live in.
amiga500 4 | 1,503
1 Jun 2023 #39
... I wonder how this will affect Konfederacja's chances in the coming elections

It won't the kówniarze who support konfa think why should i pay taxes for 500+ and hospitals also why should i pay taxes to support ukraine military?
pawian 222 | 23,646
5 Jun 2023 #40
will win the upcoming elections with around 30 percent

Around could be 33% as well as 27%. :):) Probably this second number is more probable.

will get 8 percent of the vote

Why only 8%? Their last result was about 14%.
Ironside 53 | 12,421
7 Jun 2023 #41
Still,pis is going to win upcoming election. They are uncertain about securing majority. To that end they will try cut to size konfederacy.
pawian 222 | 23,646
7 Jun 2023 #42
Still,pis is going to win upcoming election

Chance is they won`t. 4 months is a lot of time, many things might happen, e.g., more PiS` thievery comes out etc. :):):),
amiga500 4 | 1,503
8 Jun 2023 #43
Chance is they won`t

Would you like to place a bet on it, like PAK did in 2019, or are you another all mouth and no trousers like OP?
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
8 Jun 2023 #44
all mouth and no trousers like OP

Nothing to do with mouths and trousers. I already told you: I don't make bets about the future of my country with some random Australian.
Korvinus 2 | 445
8 Jun 2023 #45
Vote Konfederacja and everything will change for the better
Alien 18 | 4,750
8 Jun 2023 #46
Is it that bad?
amiga500 4 | 1,503
21 Jun 2023 #47
great gosc wydarzen ep on polsat news vice minister of culture and lviv major youtube.com/watch?v=4Mt1wU65jp4

women lewica posels going off the deep end again, calling the constitutional tribunal fake and accusing them of legalising torture of women.

after listening to the rmf morning radio star i reckon PiS should do a couple of questions in the referendum along with the election.
- do you support the mandatory migrant pushback into Poland by European Union/Commision?
- do you support a constitutional right to abortion?/or loosening right to life rights as enshrined by the constitution?
- do you support gay marriage? Or LGBT+ sexual identity being taught to children?

conservative poland checkmate
Luke1410 - | 166
21 Jun 2023 #48
- do you support turning off the internet? could be a good one to add in aswell
amiga500 4 | 1,503
21 Jun 2023 #49
- do you support turning off the internet

I don't think that one will swing percentage points towards a electoral turnout, ie election victory.
Atch 23 | 4,044
21 Jun 2023 #50
r i reckon PiS should do a couple of questions in the referendum along with the election.

You can't put such vague, general questions to the public in a referendum because the answer forms the basis for changing the law. That's the whole purpose of a referendum, to give the people power and control over policy making. So what actually happens is that there is a national debate first in which a proposed new law is mooted. Wording is decided for the basis of that law or amendment to the existing law (in Ireland nowadays the people decide it through a Citizens' Assembly) and this is put to the public in the referendum to which they answer yes or no, depending on whether they agree with the proposal.

If you ask a general question such as your examples, that would actually give the government more power rather than giving the people more power, because it allows the government to create any new laws and policies in those areas that they desire, claiming they have been given the mandate to do so by the public. That's not good.
amiga500 4 | 1,503
21 Jun 2023 #51
You can't put such vague, general questions

One relates to EU law having supremacy over national law the others are specific.

national debate first

poland check

re your point on people power vs the gov having more power, the whole point of a referendum is to give the goverment the legitimacy of the people to hold that power and make that decision. ie gay marriage in ireland.

the gay marriage question in poland referendum is pretty specific ie change of constitution, as is the abortion question.
Atch 23 | 4,044
21 Jun 2023 #52
gay marriage in ireland.

the gay marriage question in poland referendum is pretty specific ie change of constitution, as is the abortion question.

Same sex marriage in Ireland required a change to the constitution as did the abortion law. That's why we had the referendums. Unlike Poland, the constitution of Ireland cannot be changed without public referendum.

the others are specific.

They're not. You need to do some research on referendums.
pawian 222 | 23,646
24 Jun 2023 #53
Poll results show similar support for PiS and its main rival, Mr Donal Tusk`s party - about 30%. Now a lot depends on other small parties - e.g, nationalist Konfederacja - about 10% support. Will they make a formal alliance with PiS after the elections and create a PiSKon gov ???? Amazing developments are ahead.
Kashub1410 6 | 690
24 Jun 2023 #54
@pawian
Why on earth would Konfederacja make a government with PiS?
Paulina 16 | 4,203
24 Jun 2023 #55
@Kashub1410, here's your answer:

swinieprzykorycie
pawian 222 | 23,646
24 Jun 2023 #56
Why on earth would Konfederacja make a government with PiS?

Even if not whole Konf, PiS will buy individual konfederates and make them support PiS gov. PiS are masters in such tricks, they have been practising it a lot. :)
Kashub1410 6 | 690
24 Jun 2023 #57
@Paulina
Great that Konfederacja isn't in need of governmental money then. Nor it's voter base
Paulina 16 | 4,203
24 Jun 2023 #58
@Kashub1410, we'll see about that if they aren't in need of money... and power :)
pawian 222 | 23,646
24 Jun 2023 #59
PiS are masters in such tricks,

Tricks of political corruption which PiS has used dozens of times - they use well paid positions in state owned companies to buy the support from politicians of other parties.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,412
23 Jul 2023 #60
Recent polls indicate unexpectedly high support for Konfederacja (15.4%)...

wprost.pl/polityka/wybory-parlamentarne-2023/sondaze/11318338/konfederacja-bedzie-rozdawac-karty-po-wyborach-oto-wyniki-najnowszego-sondazu.html

... is it possible that they will form a coalition government with PiS after the elections? That would definitely be a plot twist. :-/


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