Polish military contingent in Lebanon.

"Even"?

The SPIEGEL belongs together with the SÜDDEUTSCHE, the ZEIT, STERN, TAGESSPIEGEL and others to the very pro-pali leftists...you know the german lefties who wrap themselves in Pali-Shawls and demand "from the river to the see"....the ones who want to stop weapons deliveries to support Israel, but spend millions for HAMAS-UNRWA....the whole works.

Jews can't depend on Germany anymore thanks to this mainly green-leftist media, Jews are no longer safe on german streets....but on the other hand these leftists are the loudest to demand from the AfD to "remember the past" aka "NIE WIEDER".... that's all so incredible embarassing for a German!

@Bratwurst Boy
Very similar situation in Norway, almost all journalists vote leftist (not just to the left of centre).

It is worrying however if it's true that IDF sabotages UN peacekeepers

Intelligent people generally do.

@jon357
Educated people generally do*

Intelligent people know that either extreme is bad, a heartless brain or a stupid heart makes no sense to pursue. Yet we need our hearts and brains.

Which make it difficult in reporting anything in the Middle East if those reporting it are one sided

No ifs about it, Israeli invaders are attacking the UN.

It's truly hard to understand Hamas supporting people, especially left, self declared feminists and or queer/trans etc., knowing they will torture them to death as if they were Jews should they get hold of them in Gaza, Teheran or elsewhere!

This special kind of western leftist support/alliance of/with muslim fanatics is absolutely senseless and hardly intelligent!

I would even go so far to state that is this unimaginable alliance which leads to the steadily downfall of the western Left in all our countries....who wants to vote for these crazies!

They don't, but never mind.

Have you spent much time in Muslim countries?

Why are you saying that? You must know its not true....


queeringaza.com/

It's not a new thing:


europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-5-2003-1346_EN.html

There you go. And the tiny place that is Gaza is hardly representative of the Islamic world.

Btw, that group you linked to is a propaganda site launched as PR by Israel.

I remember once seeing a map of countries where ones that allegedly had the death penalty were coloured red. It was laughable. I was in one of those countries in West Africa at the time (for three years) and nobody in the country's history had even ever been arrested for it, never mind anything else.

How much time have you spent in Islamic countries or do you just rely on the internet?

Well....it's about the Hamas supporter....the left "Queer for Palestine" crazies.....and alot of that is about and even in Gaza right now, isn't it!

It's not about the whole "islamic world"....some in the islamic world even support Israel or are neutral....it's about the muslim fanatics, which are as big a burden to their own people wherever they rule as they are for Jews...not that this is a problem for the left crazies.

And I don't plan to set a foot in there anytime soon....

Why don't you make me understand this unholy alliance? Why do these leftists support the same people which would terrorize and kill them gladly given only the smallest chance?

Very little.


Wherever? There's only Afghanistan and arguably Iran.


Most of the Islamic world is fine. Usually nice places to be. I'm in a majority Muslim country now, quite close to the equator in central Africa and it doesn't feel oppressive. You can buy booze, pork and weed and there are plenty of churches.

Maybe that report is more acceptable?


Violations Against the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and
Transgender Community by the Palestinian Authority and Hamas

United Nations Watch submits the following report for the Interactive Dialogue with the
Independent Expert on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity. This report documents
egregious violations by the Palestinian Authority ("PA") in the West Bank, and by Hamas in
Gaza against the LGBT community,in grave breach of international law including the
International Convention on Civil and Political Rights ("ICCPR") and the Convention
Against Torture ("CAT"). We call on the Human Rights Council and all United Nations
stakeholders to stop ignoring these Palestinian victims of Palestinian violations, and to take
immediate action to protect them....

documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g23/168/16/pdf/g2316816.pdf

They don't, supporters of Palestine want to see a just settlement including the right of return.

Taking the worst aspects of a minority, in this case those representing an extremist ideology and applying it to the whole is something something to be avoided.

Repeating the results of demonstrably flawed logic isnt the smartest thing to do.

You are very probably not behaving gay or queer, I gather?

It's the same in western cities....as long as you don't look or act like it they let you be....but beware if not!

People say Berlin was alot more liberal a decade back....now there are districts where you have to be very cautious if you don't want to get attacked, beaten or even murdered! And no, it's not because of the AfD, but because of the rising numbers of these "nice" guests from islamic regions, who of course gather in certain districts.


Which worst aspects of which minority do you speak? The stupidity of trans or queer people? Or the murderous fanatism of muslims?

Not a nice, sympathetic alliance in any way....nothing good will come out of it!

....LGBTI people's rights

Consensual same-sex sexual conduct continued to be banned in Gaza on the basis of a 1936 British Mandate ordinance.

In September, after the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) published guidance to staff regarding treating all genders and LGBTI people equally, the Hamas authorities condemned the guidance for promoting "deviance and moral decay".....

amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/middle-east/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/

unwatch.org/rights-group-exposes-palestinian-torture-ahead-of-first-un-review/

....GENEVA, July 14, 2022 - The Palestinian Authority and Hamas routinely torture human rights activists, women, LGBT persons, political opponents, so-called "collaborators," and Palestinians who sell land to Jews, the non-governmental group UN Watch charged Thursday.

The Geneva-based human rights organization made its criticism in a major new report to the UN Committee Against Torture, which will meet next week for two days, on July 19-20, to consider Palestinian compliance with the UN convention against torture and other cruel forms of punishment. The UN panel published the submission on its website.

"Evidence continues to emerge of widespread torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of detainees held in Palestinian custody in the West Bank and Gaza," said Hillel Neuer, executive director of UN Watch.....

@Bratwurst Boy
Let me be clear I was talking about the religious nutters in Hamas and Hezbollah who came into existence when the PLO got nowhere in talks even after they recognised Israel

You seem to be very confused about which values you support. If Israel were an outpost supporting woke western values as you are trying to claim above, why do you want to move the goalposts now? You posted Israeli propaganda memes about the UN and other NGOs yet now want to use the same organisations to support your sweeping assumptions about a whole people.

Exactly, It's much the same in any conservative society, especially those plagued by right wing governments that look to the past rather than the future.


Stupid how exactly?


Sounds like trumpists, European conservatives or a fair few people on here, some who obsess about it.

I'm very clear about MY values...I'm confused about the western left and their values....but I am not alone in that....it's mind boggling....not even you can explain it to me understandably.
But may there is nothing to explain, it's crazy and just wrong and I should stop trying to understand....

PS: If Israel were woke they would be dead and destroyed by now....wokists are no soldiers!


Supporting their would be-murderers? It's the utmost stupidity....like:

Minks for fur coats!
Chicken for KFC!
or my favourite: Blacks for the KKK

That's the thing, Jon.....leftists usually fight these conservative societies, don't they? At least in the West....for womens rights, for homosexuality, for more liberalization and what not....what is so great about muslim hard core conservatives/right winger that you support them instead?

EXPLAIN!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!

No. Decent people on the left of politics seek to make a better world for the many rather than the few.


Aside from the word 'woke' not actually meaning anything except politically aware, you did post a link to a PR site that claims Israel is better because it is 'woke'.


Do they/we? LGBT+ people exist right across the political spectrum. It is not a homogenous group for you to 'other'.


There was me thinking I was broadly pro-Israel and the western alliance.

I dont think you are.
So called western valuse of tolerance, respect for private property, democratic accountability, respect for international treaties etc are all lacking in Israel.

So....does that mean you don't belong to the "Queers for Palestine" nutters? And that you don't have an explanation either?

Why not just say it!


As long as they have regular democratic elections were the people can vote about their rulers including free press it's better than most.....

Not to mention that:


thejc.com/news/israel/israeli-court-rules-in-favour-of-lgbtq-palestinian-asylum-seekers-um60rlks

@Bratwurst Boy
Again you are very imprecise in explaining your values, from your link I assume you are in favour of LGBTQ Palestinians being granted asylum in Germany?

Oh, definitely!

I also favour anti-muslim refugees....they deserve our support....not these radical nutters who go demostrate for a "Khalifat" here in Germany on our streets.

I know two ex-Muslims....one of them openly gay, the other a well known critic of Islamism (both supporters of Israel btw)...they have to be guarded and protected every day, nobody hates them as much as their own people, these muslim "refugees", which should all expelled again, IMHO!

They just chose the wrong country to go to, Germany will never be the right place for muslims....there are about 50 muslimic countries, I believe....every one of them would be a much better fit!

How many do belong to your group that I've never heard of? Why would I feel the need to explain the views of other people?


They once said that about Jews, Roma and Communists.

I wouldn't even have asked you.....


And now?

Just accepting and letting them walk all over us? Changing the country for the worse? Is that it?

What I don't get is why they left their countries in the first place? Islam is often enough a huge reason why these countries so horrible, why people need to look elsewhere to have chance at a life worth living. But when they have reached that, got a new chance for a better life they chose to become religious fanatics...trying to change their new home to something islamic...even if that means of course conflicts with the natives, their new host nation!

If they truly can't live without their stone age religion, they really schould stay at home!

Yet you did..,

So you want me to "EXPLAIN!!!" the views of the Clitheroe Women's Institute or Meibion Glyndwr as well? I'm not a member of those either.


"Them"?

The what??? :)

You'll find that their nearest branch is Waddington ;)

Does this have a double meaning?