And so did I. Johnny, General Clancy IS the Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Defence Forces.
And you didn't quote him. You quoted Simon Harris, the Taoiseach. Read the article again.
Nobody suggested it was fired at the camp deliberately. It's just a question of whether it fell or was shot down by Israel.
But the simple fact of the matter is that a rocket fell on the camp,not debris from a rocket. Gen. Clancy himself said that it was deactivated by a bomb disposal squad. You don't need a bomb squad for debris.
But the simple fact of the matter is that a rocket fell on the camp
You mean within the camps perimeter and not the Camp itself. Lieutenant General Sean Clancy said said all troops in Camp Shamrock at the time of the strike on Wednesday afternoon are safe and well, with the Katyusha rocket landing in an unoccupied area of the base.
They're not a reliable source.
And what is your source Ms. Atch ?
the simple fact of the matter is that a rocket fell on the camp,not debris from a rocket.
No, that is not the fact of the matter as here in America when part of a rocket falls to the ground it is called. 'debris'. So since the rocket DID NOT fall to the ground intact, it is called debris. Read again. "Whilst it seems what happens is this, that a rocket was fired, that rocket was taken down by what they call the Iron Dome, and part of that rocket then fell on, thankfully, an unoccupied part of Camp Shamrock
Now quit your damn knit picking as it drives grown men to become inpatient with women and mentally ill males with OCD.
You're quoting Simon Harris again. He was repeating what he believed to be the facts but he got it wrong. On the other hand, the Chief-of-Staff of the army gave the correct information.
Lt Gen Clancy confirmed the incident during a Defence Forces event in Ireland.
Here's what Lt. Gen. Clancy said:
"I can confirm that yesterday afternoon there was a Katyusha rocket that landed within 2-45, this was by an armed element obviously, our assessment is it was travelling north to south into Israel.
"A lot of these are undirected, unguided and therefore unpredictable rockets, and they have been known to fall or been taken down by the Iron Dome. We haven't assessed [if that is the case] right now.
"But it did fall in an unoccupied area of the camp itself. It caused minimal damage on the ground."
He said bomb disposal officers sealed off the area on Wednesday night and dampened the ground before making the device safe yesterday morning.
Now, as you can see, according to the head of Ireland's Defence Forces, a rocket, not part of a rocket, fell within the camp. The fact that that area of the camp was unoccupied is completely irrelevant. Unoccupied space within the camp is still part of the camp, just as an empty room in your house, is still part of your house.
He also says that they are still investigating how it came to fall.
LOL - you just posted what I have already posted about it, word for word. Go look. You quoted the exact things that I quoted from what you said was not a credible source. I have never known you to be so daft.
"there was a Katyusha rocket that landed within 2-45"
"bomb disposal officers sealed off the area on Wednesday night and dampened the ground before making the device safe yesterday morning."
Debris has never been mentioned anywhere in the media by Lt. Gen. Clancy. He said, a rocket, not part of a rocket or debris from a rocket. You're the person who decided it was debris based on a quote from Simon Harris who got it arseways.
Here is a nice report about the bravery of a Polish member of the Irish Defence Forces in Lebanon. He's described as a native of West Cork so presumably he was born in Ireland to Polish parents. His name is Jakub Kowalczyk. He was in command of a company whose jeep was surrounded by an angry mob for over an hour. He managed to talk them down and get his troops out of there to safety. This happened last year.
and part of that rocket then fell on, thankfully, an unoccupied part of Camp Shamrock
Part of the rocket equals debris, Love.
No, that is not the fact of the matter as here in America when part of a rocket falls to the ground it is called. 'debris'. So since the rocket DID NOT fall to the ground intact, it is called debris.
Did ya hear me that time ? I know, lets go to the nearest Irish Pub and knit pick argue all afternoon over, "who gives a shlt".
Lt. Gen. Clancy didn't say 'part of the rocket'. He said 'a rocket'. Clancy further said that the device was "dealt with and made safe in the camp itself" the following morning. It was a politician, Simon Harris who mentioned part of a rocket. He was wrong.
So what is your reliable source, Hon ? In fact Ms. Atch, I have checked several Irish media's and they are all saying the same thing. According to the PA, the Taoiseach told reporters in Co Kildare on Thursday: "This is an extremely serious situation, whilst it seems what happens is this - that a rocket was fired, that rocket was taken down by what they call the Iron Dome, and part of that rocket then fell on, thankfully, an unoccupied part of Camp Shamrock, home to our Irish peacekeepers, and thankfully nobody has been hurt or injured, and thankfully all our peacekeepers are accounted for and safe, and that is a good thing."
I have checked several Irish media's and they are all saying the same thing.
They are all quoting both the Taoiseach and the Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Defence Forces, Lt. Gen. Sean Clancy whom you want to ignore because he says it was a rocket which the bomb disposal team deactivated. Although previously, before you realised who he was, you said you'd take his word because he was 'closer to the source'.
I know you're having trouble in making sense of it but it's quite simple. Two people made similar statements which differ in one detail, whether it was a rocket or part of rocket, that's all. In matters military I'd take the word of a soldier over that of a politician.
I want to ignore no one Atch, you just want to knit pick to argue. You are the one that insists on ignoring what was reported and can not give a source that says otherwise. In fact this is a quote from the first source that you provided.
Mr Harris said he was thankful no-one had been hurt in the rocket strike. "In relation to Camp Shamrock, I have been kept informed of it through yesterday evening and, indeed, into today," he told reporters in Co Kildare on Thursday. "This is an extremely serious situation, whilst it seems what happens is this - that a rocket was fired, that rocket was taken down by what they call the Iron Dome, and part of that rocket then fell on, thankfully, an unoccupied part of Camp Shamrock,
Two people made similar statements which differ in one detail, whether it was a rocket or part of rocket, that's all.
It was clearly stated that it was a part of the rocket Yet you are struggling to support your diminishing remark that my source was from the news media which you claimed was not reliable.
Let me quote The Irish Sun
Don't. They're not a reliable source.
Yet now you are quoting them yourself.
Two people made similar statements which differ in one detail, whether it was a rocket or part of rocket, that's all.
No, your problem is that you are not reading and referring to the same whole statement. He was talking about a rocket in general BUT then went onto say it was a part of a rocket which I called debris. That is when you responded with your diminish remarks to correct me with your knit picking. I then produced my source, ask you to produce your source of the General, you couldn't so you used the same media sources that I did even though you previously crowed that those sources were unreliable. So until you can confirm what was actually disarmed, the rocket or part of the rocket as I first stated:
My take on it was that it was debris from a rocket
Meaning disarming the explosive part of the rocket which I referred to as debris and which the media referred to as Part of the rocket then you should get your facts straight and show us your source that says otherwise. I hope we can now put your confusion to rest once and for all but since you ignore the facts I highly doubt that will happen. Atch, you have a wonderful day as I am making a venison stir fry that is to die for. I know, poor choice of words which could be knit picked and argued too. lol
If it was a complete rocket, it could have been a deliberate attack on the camp. However, if it was the remains of a shot-down rocket, it was more likely an accident.
If it was a complete rocket, it could have been a deliberate attack on the camp.
While what you say is true, there was never any suggestion by the Irish government or defence forces that it was deliberate.
show us your source that says otherwise.
I just did. Three sources that quote the Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Defence Forces saying that it was a rocket. Not my problem if you don't have the attention span to read the articles.
you used the same media sources
I did not post any links to the Irish Sun. Btw they didn't quote Gen. Clancy in full. They left out the bit where he said it was a rocket and was deactivated by bomb disposal. Their information regarding the incident was incomplete. That's why I linked you to three sources giving the full statement he made.
I just did. Three sources that quote the Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Defence Forces saying that it was a rocket.
Should I now voice my opinion like you did to diminish my source that you called a unreliable source ? I already told you prior that they were saying the same thing.
Not my problem if you don't have the attention span to read the articles.
They left out the bit where he said it was a rocket and was deactivated by bomb disposal.
That was AFTER the Suns article was published on October 31st. as breaking news. So the updated articles that you are so desperately trying to use were printed AFTER my news breaking news post. So to say mine was unreliable even after I have pointed out the fact to you several times that he indeed said that it was a part of the rocket.
They left out the bit where he said it was a rocket
No they didn't. Quoting from the Sun.
- that a rocket was fired, that rocket was taken down by what they call the Iron Dome, and part of that rocket then fell on,
You really are blind, aren't you. Why you keep denying that when your sources say it was makes your opinion very unreliable. You are not quite as smart as you pretend to be sometimes. By the way, everyone is raving over my venison stir fry so please don't say that I didn't use enough salt. Hoot !
Except for the fact I was backed up with sources to prove I was right so I like it very much. Especially when your diminishments fizzle out when the facts are presented. But I suspect that we will beat this foolishness like a dead horse for the next two weeks with deflections like always.
No, it was an actual rocket,
Yes, a part of an actual rocket that I fittingly called debris because it was part of the rocket according to the sources (the Sun) that have been posted here confirming that fact which Atch called an unreliable source even though she quoted the same article from different sources. Why you girls can't absorb that fact and insist on arguing only confirms what Novi has been saying about women.
When arguing with women you are fvcked either way...
If you lose, she will be gloating about it for the next twenty years and often remind you how stupid you are.
If you win, you will be one sorry mother fvcker because she will be mad for the next twenty years and often remind how you didn't give a fvck about her feelings.
Tomorrow, I wil try to post a shorter version...
My method lately: You are so pretty when you are mad. I love you very much.
He didn't say that. Simon Harris, the Taoiseach said it. The content of Lt.Gen.Clancy's statement was published on 31st October because he was attending an event in Athlone (that's a town in Ireland) and reporters from RTE, the national television station, asked him about the attack. The news was therefore broken by RTE. Here is the filmed statement. You can hear the words from his own mouth. He says 'a rocket', not part of a rocket or debris from a rocket.
It's not a question losing or winning. It's a question of truth and facts. I might point out that I didn't start the argument. Johnny did that.
He contradicted my initial post by saying that as he understood it a rocket was taken out by the Iron Dome and debris fell on the camp. He said this because he has a problem with reading comprehension - should have paid attention to those nuns. His problem with comprehension means that he doesn't understand that Simon Harris, the Taoiseach of Ireland is not the same person as Lt. Gen. Clancy, whom Johnny, at one point thought he was quoting, when in fact, he was quoting Simon Harris.
I might point out that I didn't start the argument. Johnny did that.
Wrong again, you stated that my source was not reliable. jon plays that same game to diminish members. All I did was quote the Sun to what they knew at the time. So I could say your "Facebook Source" is unreliable.
He contradicted my initial post by saying that as he understood it a rocket was taken out by the Iron Dome and debris fell on the camp.
Wrong again, I said my take was or in other words, my opinion which is not contradicting you, Ms. Touchy. YES, FINALLY, PART OF THE ROCKET which would be called DEBRIS which is what the Sun printed. Love It was clearly stated that it was a part of the rocket. Why are you having such a problem with comprehending that part of the rocket by definition would be debris ? Yet you are struggling to support your diminishing remark that my source was from the news media which you claimed was not reliable. Thats when I replied with:
Then you contact the Irish Sun and tell them they have it wrong.
It's not a question losing or winning. It's a question of truth and facts.
Oh horseshit Atch, of course it is. Once you comprehend the fact that "part of the missile", by definition, is considered "debris" Do you agree with that or not ?
The Sun is not considered a reliable news source by Irish people because it's a tabloid rag. On the other hand a recorded interview on film, given by the Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Defence Forces, which you can watch.
what they knew at the time.
And at that time, it was already known that it was a rocket. They quoted the Chief-of-Staff in the article you linked to!! BUT they didn't quote him in full - that's why they're not considered a reliable source.
Btw Maltese news also reported it at the same time because there are some Maltese soldiers based at Camp Shamrock and they described it as 'an unexploded ordnance' which was later 'detonated' by the bomb disposal team.
"The ordnance was promptly detonated and another unexploded device was safely neutralised after it was found 20 meters outside the compound."
So because they didn't go into detail makes them an unreliable source ? Maybe the Sun had limited space and shortened the story. I am sure there is an unending detailed story of the event but most readers could care about the EXACT details in meters. People often speak in generalizations and refer to calling 'parts of a rocket', the rocket. That is called, thinking outside the box to get the gest of things across to people. Maybe that is why you are having such a hard time understanding what was meant. Most likely the 'part of the rocket' was the part that had the unexploded ordinance on it. If you ever came to America you would understand that we are not all blue bloods and don't speak proper Irish by crossing our "t's' and dotting our "I's". I don't play the piano either. Hoot !
On the other hand a recorded interview on film, given by the Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Defence Forces, which you can watch.
Yes, but should we believe our own lying eyes and ears or the words of The Infallible One?
another unexploded device was safely neutralised after it was found 20 meters outside the compound."
That's actually quite important information: for the jihadis to land one rocket on the Irish camp might be regarded as a misfortune; to land two within 20 metres of it looks like carelessness, at best.
It's fun watching a narcissist jump through fire hoops backwards to avoid admitting that they were wrong.
Can you pass the popcorn please. Thanks.
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