Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last.

Oh yes, say some more. Got any links?

Certainly. First thing I found was this -

Publications "Polish Gazeta " and "Nasz Dziennik " that the officer BOR Jacek Pig , who was killed in the crash near Smolensk , he had to call his wife after the plane crash , had violated a basic principle of honest journalism , ie the principle of truth - assessed the Media Ethics Council .

Liars.

They DON'T want to live in Germany. They want to be recognized as German minority
in Poland, have their own schools, German language recognized as second official
in some areas, spell their names in German and have bilingual Polish/German signs.
They are allowed all this by Polish government, because it's only fair and civilized
to treat minorities according to the internationally (EU) recognized laws that they have.

It's exactly the same with Poles in Lithuania - they want to enjoy all the rights that EU laws give them.

So, that's the part where you're wrong...


...as they don't want to be a part of Poland.



Small print - nobody ever reads the small print. *rolls eyes* I thought you would
understand that for you to interfere in Polish-Lithuanian matters as a Ukrainian, might be
seen as acting against the Hrubieszów Agreement (not against the letter of it, but more
against the spirit.)


Lithuanians are not absent from this site - they are not even absent from this thread
(which you would have noticed, if you have read it more carefully.) Besides, Lithuanian
position is defended by other posters here, like SeanBM, for example, who used to live
in Lithuania.

For you to take Lithuanian side, when they are very obviously acting against EU minority
laws and regulations, looks to me like acting against the spirit of Hrubieszów Agreement.


I wouldn't use the word "insurgents" in case of people who pushed little baby back into
her mother's womb and then killed them both, or took the skin of a man's hands in a way
that it formed, what they called, "gloves." I would use very, very different words than
"insurgents." However, that's not what I wanted to talk about and it has nothing to do with
blackmail - if you want Hrubieszów Agreement to work and want good, neighbourly relations
and co-operation, then you should restrain yourself from interfering with Polish-Lithuanian
affairs, just as I wouldn't interfere with Ukrainian-Russian affairs, and wouldn't take side
of any country acting against Ukraine - that's how it works in politics, Nathan (even if it's
only Internet Forum Politics :)) Yip, dirty stuff this politics - sometimes you have to bite
your tongue even if it's itching ;)

Leave the defense of Lithuanian lawbreakers to other posters in this thread (like Delphiandomine,
SeanBM, Harry or Litwinus) or risk the deterioration of mutual Polish-Ukrainian relations on PF,
and revoking the Hrubieszów Agreement. Your choice.

Thanks, only you were saying about a Polish court, and this is about a REM (Rada Etyki Mediów, The Council for Media Ethics) statement.

'The problem is, the the journalists of GP presented the information about the call by the BOR officer as an unconfirmed hypothesis by one of the informers, and contradicted it with the statement of the officer's brother. And Nasz Dziennik [another condemned newspaper] adds, that there was no such publication at all (...)

So it was not a Polish court, there was no conviction, and the accusation itself was rather thin. Got any other links. please?

To much bullcrap here.I say "Na Wilno!"Lets get back what's our.

I'm not asking for much, just give me a platoon to command ;)

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Vilno was occupied by Poles between two wars but Vilno was never Polish before ww1 it was Lithuanian.

Didn't the 3rd May Constitution merge the federation into a single state without any internal borders ?

Maybe you can point me to where it written

As far as I am aware London was never part of Polish territory. Much or Lithuania and all of Vilnius used to be in Poland. Perhaps you should read some history before making a fool out of yourself again.

As far as everyone is aware Vilno was always Lithuanian and never part of Poland before occupation between two wars. Perhaps you should read some history before making a fool out of yourself again.

I can't recall Austrians being in an commonwealth earlier on with the Poles and that the Austrians wanted to remake the old alliance once again against common allies, especially I can't remember Warsaw ever being 60%+ (half of it Jewish) Austrian, or pick Prussia or Russia for that matter.


Because first it was thought that we all will be a country but then nationalist scum worked against it, I look at them as almost the same as rebels/traitors I would been a lot more harsher then Piłsudski mind you if I were in charge.


If Lithuanians marched with an army into Warsaw after having fought against an enemy army and join it in an common country, I doubt it would be much hostility. Unless it would be an nationalistic Republic later Fascist state which Lithuania become.


II Rzeczpospolita!!! Am I talking to an lunatic? Maybe you got Alzheimer?
If it would be Poland alone it would been Polska, or just Rzeczpospolita Polska!


If I remember correct it was the National Democrats in power at that time and I despise them, I wouldn't behave like THAT.


Polonized Lithuanians or Poles.


and they most certainly weren't nationalist because then they would have same attitude as you, NO they were commonwealthers which believed in a united country fighting an common enemy!


Give me some sources then I can ask BB and compare if you want.
(He loves Bismarck so much I guess he knows a bit about him)


As a commonwealther I would be deeply insulted, thank God I don't live in Lithuania and that my ancestors moved away from there so that they wouldn't be treated by "Their so called country"


I would be interested! Maybe some additional info from the old times


Exactly my thought


That is somehow correct


I know that Poles were harsh about Ukrainians but the Lithuanians?! Come on! ;)
They were Catholics + "Old brothers in arms" + living in in the "Right" country! They didn't move out to get to the Nationalists after all! ;)


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no words for this!!!!
I can agree to a certain extent that until 1926 from 1918 there was some animosity but come on...


For the love of God! "Tourists" doesn't count!!


He was in power from 1926-1935
WHEN did "Poland" occupy "Lithuanian" territory and when did Poland "invade" small minor parts of Czechoslovakia together with Germans drinking Heineken on the way and hanging Czechs for fun?


As a Nationalist (I presume) all nations should live in their nation states and minorities in other countries should be shipped to their "original" places. In those cases I am quite the individualist and say: THEY GOT THE FRICKING RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE THEY WANT AS LONG AS THEY PAY TAXES AND LIVE IT OUT!


It's not anti-Polish
For him this is an issue of Poland during after WW1 and her problems about deciding which path to take, Nationalistic one, Fascist one or a patriotic one, isolationist one or Commonwealth theory

Some of those theory's stroke Ukraine so in every aspect he sense you could just as good replace Lithuania with Ukraine. But that's not the matter as Ukrainians and Lithuanians are of 2 totally different species!


All hear out the Judge


?????!?!! Somebody gotta learn some History!!!


It did, and as any commonwealther they would follow that strain of thought


lol lol lol lol
You know that "Lithuanians" called themselves Poles, just as the Poles you seem to aknowledge as Polish?! Just that they added they were also Lithuanian so that they wouldn't be mixed with the "Koroniarze"

Before the nationalistic Lithuanians wanted to break off from the commonwealthian ideas Polish was their nationality: Lithuanian was their province

and people just like Piłsudski thought it was unimaginable to think otherwise!



Now when we all know that the Lithuanians didn't like it when the divisions "reclaimed" lost territories in 1920 I wouldn't say that if I were you.

ha, ha.....stop being patronizing for a change, it is getting tedious.

See post 165 to see the argument.

It went like this: I said: Polish children are prevented from chating in Polish in Lithuanian schools, for which I did not provide a source since I didn't find it necessary as it is only a small part of a larger government policy to destroy Polish culture. Had someone requested it, I would have looked for it again. Harry took a different route. He briliantly excused this discrimination as the Poles children deserving it not for something they are doing but what had happened decades ago.

Then he started reasoning further. Poles should not complain about this discrimination because it the same as Brits who can't register right-hand drive cars in Poland. Then with a stroke of genius he exclaimed:


I won't even mention the demands that I show the official school rules...in Lithuanian, I suppose. But why bother? He has convincingly argued that the children deserve it and Poland has no right to complain. Full stop.

If you find this reasoning sound, you are at the right place. lol


I know there will be a alert reader who will ask me to show the government document stating that. :)

So? Doesn't matter what it used to be like, all that matters is the here and now. And right now, Vilnius is Lithuanian.


Consider this a request. Surely it's not so hard to find? I mean, I suppose such an act would be reported all over the Polish press.

You might want to admit you've been spreading lies about Gazeta Polska, when no one even quoted from it, before making any requests.

What's that, you can't find a source for your lies about Polish children being prevented from speaking Polish in Lithuania?

Why bother? We all know that you can not quote any statement by any member of the Lithuanian government that in any way supports your lie. You'll just react as you did when asked to quote a reliable source for your lie about Polish children being prevented from chatting in Polish in Lithuanian schools.


Given that Poles are perfectly happy to lock up EU citizens without a trial after breaking EU law by not bothering to provide vital documentation in a form which can be understood by the accused, perhaps you might like to remove the log from your own eye before complaining about the dirt in somebody else's?

No doubt there'll be some source produced which only not blames Lithuanians, but also blames Tusk, Komorowski, Gazeta Wyborcza, Jews and TVN.

I wonder if we'll see any source provided?

Yuo are confusing patronizing with friendliness and good advice, even though your
repeated suggestions of ethnic cleansing (either of Poles from Lithuania, or Germans
from Poland are, frankly, disgusting...



...especially in case of the above mentioned minorities, who have lived there for centuries.

I don't like your idea of "Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Sprache!" It reeks of fascism. If minorities
in Poland, Germany or Lithuania want to use their language as second official, have bilingual
signs and right to spell their names the way they want, then they are fully entitled to it
by international law. If some Lithuanian closet Nazis try to enforce their fascist, troglodyte
views and deprive Polish minority of their rightful privileges, then OK - we will deal with it
accordingly, but to see you supporting those lawbreaking, hatred-filled nationalists
with an obvious small-dick complex is quite surprising.

what is done is done, look up patronizing in the dictionary;) and I am not confused - that was patronizing to assume to know what I think:)- you simply don't know and you assume, which leads in the end to patronizing posts of yours.

Ever tried to get information out of a Polish governmental office in a language other than Polish?

I don't know what you think, but I read what you have written and it reeks of fascism.


In the areas with significant minorities in Poland, members of those minorities are employed
in governmental offices and provide information in both Polish and/or German, for example.
If you go to a governmental office in Opole, or some smaller town in Silesia, where there
are bilingual Polish/German signs, you will not only receive information in German but also
will be able to conduct correspondence with that office, in German.

Unless you are talking about English, then as there is no recognized English speaking minority
in Poland, the knowledge of English isn't compulsory in governmental offices. If it was compulsory
then 95% of all government officials would have to be fired right away (which, to be honest,
could only be beneficial for Poland.)

Harry, you responded to a wrong post. It said nothing about governmental offices.

Here is a list of localities in Poland with geographical names in Polish and in the languages of the local minorities.

This is a list of 30 villages in Poland where Polish authorities have no problems with dual names:

Boksze-Osada/Bokšiai
Buda Zawidugierska/Vidugirių Būda
Buraki/Burokai
Dowiaciszki/Dievetiškė
Dziedziule/Didžiuliai
Giłujsze/Giluišiai
Kalinowo/Kalinavas
Kompocie/Kampuoèiai
Krejwiany/Kreivėnai
Nowiniki/Navinykai
Ogórki/Agurkiai
Oszkinie/Ožkiniai
Pełele/Peleliai
Poluńce/Paliūnai
Przystawańce/Pristavonys
Puńsk/Punskas
Rejsztokiemie/Raistiniai
Sankury/Sankūrai
Sejwy/Seivai
Skarkiszki/Skarkiškiai
Szlinokiemie/Šlynakiemis
Tauroszyszki/Taurusiškės
Trakiszki/Trakiškės
Trompole/Trumpalis
Widugiery/Vidugiriai
Wiłkopedzie/Vilkapėdžiai
Wojciuliszki/Vaièiuliškės
Wojtokiemie/Vaitakiemis
Wołyńce/Valinèiai
Żwikiele/Žvikeliai

Here are some graphical samples from other regions:

see they don't see problem in ethnic cleansing. let alone understand your moral scruples , they think it would be wrong to regain our land because its not them doing it, not other reason :)

Deph and Harry are you support Lithuanian government policy of discrimination ?

Marek buy yourself a watch, you need some brain nearby !

At 9 October 1920 general Lucjan Zeligowski occupied the south-east of Lithuania about a third of the country
On 1 October 1938 the Zaolzie area was annexed by Poland

And ironside you cannot win the argument so you need to insult, that is so christian of you.

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republic_of_Central_Lithuania_general_election,_1922&oldid=374580020

Really? There are tens of thousands of Vietnamese in Warsaw but I have never seen any information being offered to them in their language.


Well done. Now when will speakers English in Poland get the same rights as Poles have the UK?

Are you suggesting that the speakers of English in Poland are not allowed to use detour routes?

They have the right to use detours but they don't know that they should use it because nobody told them that they don't have the right to use the usual route.