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Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people


pawian  221 | 24961
24 Apr 2024   #241
In 1999 Grozny was the most destroyed city

Who did it????

We scared everybody into submission by showing them the price of disobedience,

You can`t scare subdued nations for ever. One day they successfully rebel against your rule and then hate Russians with all their might for decades if not centuries. You tried it with Poles once and see the result???
Bobko  27 | 2085
24 Apr 2024   #242
Who did it?

We did it.

You want to have a European Taliban? Supported by Al-Qaeda and ISIS?

If you have especial appreciation for norms of Sharia law, and human rights protection, perhaps we should organize for you a meeting with the state security apparatus of the Chechen Republic?

If those animals raise their head again, and try to disrupt the life of good people just trying to live their lives - then we will do it again.

You can`t scare subdued nations for ever.

Are you comparing Chechnya to Poland?

P.S. - Did I also mention that Ramzan mobilized at least 30,000 of his men to send into our war? Much more than any other regional leader, even those that control a much larger population. For this alone, for these 30,000 - he must be forgiven a lot.
pawian  221 | 24961
24 Apr 2024   #243
For this alone, for these 30,000 - he must be forgiven a lot.

Wise up. He sent those troops to have more trained men in case the opportunity emerges. . He is only waiting for the moment when Russians get so weak they won`t be able to prevent another Chechen secession.

I told you - you can`t scare subdues nations for ever. But you never listen.

You want to have

My wanting has nothing to do with the right of nations to decide about themselves.
Bobko  27 | 2085
24 Apr 2024   #244
He sent those troops to have more trained men in case the opportunity emerges.

We need to see how much will return, first.

In the beginning of this war, the Chechens did not show themselves very well. More like tourists... waiting behind Slavic forces, and doing more "clean up" work.

This was very strange, for a nation that talks so much about its unparalleled fighting spirit.

We know that Chechens are leaders in ISIS and Al Qaeda, but we would also like to see them lead here :)

Now, thankfully, Chechen units are finally getting a taste of the real hellfire. Not everyone, but a good percentage of the formations.

If they survive, then they deserve more respect, but until then we will wait. This is not some mountain insurgency, this is war. Their chance to show us if they really are made from different material.
Bobko  27 | 2085
24 Apr 2024   #245
In WW2, Poland provided the Soviet Union with almost 300,000 infantrymen. Most of these serving in the First Polish Army.

They provided up to 10-15% of Zhukov's forces when he was pushing West.

They showed themselves as capable fighters.
pawian  221 | 24961
24 Apr 2024   #246
They showed themselves as capable fighters.

They didn`t fight for the Soviet Union. Guess what they fought for! :):):)

The same with Chechen soldiers. Guess who they will fight against in the end??? hahahaha

Letr me remind you there is a patriotic unit of Chechen fighters who have joined Ukrainian side and who combat Russians.
Bobko  27 | 2085
24 Apr 2024   #247
remind you there is a patriotic unit of Chechen fighters who have joined Ukrainian side

We will try to locate and liquidate every single one.

These are the trash/refuse of the first war, that managed to escape.

It's excellent that they are all in one place, and openly identifying themselves. It will make it much easier to kill them all.

Then, finally, the job will be complete.
Novichok  5 | 7535
24 Apr 2024   #248
"Wait! I promoted communism before the invasion

Visit American and Russian universities and tell us where you saw more communists, fascists, revolutionaries, thugs, and other scum..

Really? Would you try to write against THE PARTY in China?

Is English comprehension a disappearing art or is mine really that bad? But since I am a loving and patient man...

K wrote: ... today we're more free and prosperous than we've ever been before 1989.
Me wrote: Everybody is. Even Russia and communist China. BFD.

Let me simplify this complex dialog even further...

Russia 2024 >>> Russia 1989
China 2024 >>> China 1989

I didn't say:

Russia 2024 = Switzerland 2024
China 2024 = Switzerland 2024

If you don't believe me, talk to any of the 814 Chinese billionaires with condos in HK, Hawaii, and Paris and a Bentley parked next to each.

BTW, in the billionaire race, the US is behind China with just 800. Yes, I know China is 5 times bigger... so don't go there...

better to work with Moscow than against it.

What a brilliant idea...That's how I was able to leave the prison called Poland in 1966. I had a choice...be a revolutionary and rot in prison or be nice and GTFO. I flipped a coin and here I am.

We will try to locate and liquidate every single one.

Don't forget those Western volunteers...Kill them first and send bills to their families for the bullets.
pawian  221 | 24961
24 Apr 2024   #249
kill them all.

Eternal Russian motto. :):):):)
Bobko  27 | 2085
24 Apr 2024   #250
Eternal Russian motto

If you fight the bulldozer, then don't be surprised when it flattens you with the asphalt.
Novichok  5 | 7535
24 Apr 2024   #251
...but as long as somebody makes a movie about it, it's worth it.
Bobko  27 | 2085
24 Apr 2024   #252
it's worth it.

If there are people to watch and contextualize the movie.

Otherwise, it's images on a screen.
Paulina  16 | 4338
24 Apr 2024   #253
Many other Chechens have claimed they could do a better job, and we never got a chance to see how it could have been.

That's because you didn't give them a chance.

For the time being, we are stuck with Ramzan.

No, you're not "stuck" with him. He's where he is, because he's loyal to Putin. So that's a choice of the Kremlin.

It's okay if Putin does not want to punish his ferocious Rottweiler

It's "OK" for evil people and psychopaths. In other words - for RuSSians - yes, clearly.

he must be forgiven a lot.

And here's something I hope BB will read and I wish Western people (and some naive Poles) would understand - it's not Putin or Kadyrov that are the main problem. It's many, many RuSSians like Bobko that are the real problem. This guy was educated in the US, he lives and works there and has access to all the free media in the world. So you can't justify him by claiming that he is being brainwashed by the RuSSian state media.

😔
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11700
24 Apr 2024   #254
it's not Putin or Kadyrov that are the main problem. It's many, many RuSSians like Bobko that are the real problem.

I disagree, Paulina!

Let's call it historical experiences....
Paulina  16 | 4338
24 Apr 2024   #255
@Bratwurst Boy, I think you disagree, because you're projecting your German experience on RuSSians. The problem is that nations differ from each other (for whatever reasons, but they do differ). I've come to such realisation after 7 years of discussing with RuSSians. I think you simply don't know them like I do. I'd like to be wrong about this, but it doesn't look like I am, unfortunately... And Bobko is a living proof of this.
Miloslaw  21 | 4945
24 Apr 2024   #256
Personally, I think the only way that Russia and Russian civilisation can be saved is that if 90% of them are eradicated.......

They are brainless morons!
Paulina  16 | 4338
24 Apr 2024   #257
@Miloslaw, you sound like a Nazi "genius" on the other hand... 🥴 🤦
Alien  23 | 5586
25 Apr 2024   #258
It's many, many RuSSians like Bobko that are the real problem.

Yes, Russians are a quantitative and qualitative problem. While one Bobko won't do any damage and we could discuss with him further, if there are more of them, a substantive discussion is impossible and, of course, fruitless.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11700
25 Apr 2024   #259
I think you disagree, because you're projecting your German experience on RuSSians.

Of course I do....either we believe all people are equal or we do not!

While one Bobko won't do any damage and we could discuss with him further, if there are more of them,.....

Why is that? Lose your arguments their value if you talk to a crowd bigger than one?
Paulina  16 | 4338
25 Apr 2024   #260
a substantive discussion is impossible and, of course, fruitless.

That doesn't depend on numbers though... 🤨 You can have fruitless discussions with one individual too...

Of course I do....either we believe all people are equal or we do not!

But it's not about equality. Your German experience is different than Russian experience.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11700
25 Apr 2024   #261
...but the stereotypes are quite similiar! :)

All this: "the Russians are this....and that....and what they do is because they are inherent faulty....they can't change....they will always be this and that...etc. pp" is new for a German?

Your ancestors talked the same about Germans, some still do....
Paulina  16 | 4338
25 Apr 2024   #262
@Bratwurst Boy, but we're discussing reality now, not stereotypes. I wasn't discussing with "stereotypes" for 7 years - I was discussing with real people. Ukraine also isn't being invaded by "stereotypes", but by real people - RuSSians.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11700
25 Apr 2024   #263
...well....these two, three people aren't Russia...not even Putin is!

And it should be hard to find a honest critic of what happens, for reasons we discussed already....open resistance can become quite dangerous! I would keep that always in mind when talking with Russians today....
Paulina  16 | 4338
25 Apr 2024   #264
...well....these two, three people aren't Russia...

Um...What "two, three" people are you talking about? You think I've discussed with only two, three Russians/RuSSians for 7 years? :)))

not even Putin is!

Tell that to RuSSians lol

And it should be hard to find a honest critic of what happens, for reasons we discussed already....open resistance can become quite dangerous!

It was RuSSians who created such conditions for themselves in their own country. Noone forced Putin on them. And other countries won't topple Putin from power and so he will stay in power. And after he won't be able to rule anymore he will likely be replaced by someone similar. That's what I meant, among others, when I wrote that German experience differs from Russian experience. Nazis were removed from power by other countries by force - Nazi Germany was invaded, occupied and denazified by others. And communism was imposed on Eastern Germany by foreign power.

Neither communism nor Putin were forced upon RuSSia by foreign countries. And both weren't and won't be toppled forcibly by foreign powers. So, we are going to be stuck with this reality for quite some time most probably.

And resistance is dangerous in RuSSia only because the majority supports Putin. And that's the problem - the majority supports Putin. And those who don't are too afraid or too few to change anything.
Novichok  5 | 7535
25 Apr 2024   #265
but by real people - RuSSians.

RuSSians reside only in your stupid pOLisH head. Russians live in the Russian Federation which includes Crimea and Donbass.
Paulina  16 | 4338
25 Apr 2024   #266
@Novichok, there are no RuSSians living in my intelligent Polish head :))) They do reside in RuSSia however, together with a minority of decent Russians :)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11700
25 Apr 2024   #267
Neither communism nor Putin were forced upon RuSSia by foreign countries.

There never was a democratic vote about that actually....and there was resistance, the "Whites" even fighted a civil war against the communist takeover....and knowing the incredible oppressive brutality and the decades long bloody mass murder which did cost so many million Russians lifes, I find it hard to blame those who suffered the most for all that additionally in the end!
Novichok  5 | 7535
25 Apr 2024   #268
They do reside in RuSSia however,

Is being pOLish an infectious disease? Every pOL* here is a goofy moron who can't spell...
Paulina  16 | 4338
25 Apr 2024   #269
There never was a democratic vote about that actually....

And that's RuSSia for you, unfortunately...

and there was resistance, the "Whites" even fighted a civil war against the communist takeover....

The "Whites" were those who were in power in the first place - they were fighting to keep that power.

and knowing the incredible oppressive brutality and the decades long bloody mass murder which did cost so many million Russians lifes

But BB... That "oppressive brutality and the decades long bloody mass murder" was done by RuSSians... They did it to each other... It wasn't done by some aliens from space :) And that's my point.

I find it hard to blame those who suffered the most for all that additionally in the end!

BB... :) RuSSians did this to each other. Noone else did. And I blame them for that.
Bobko  27 | 2085
25 Apr 2024   #270
RuSSians did this to each other

We suffered for the world.

Small minded people like you cannot understand.


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