John Paul II's Beatification

It seems no one is really holding JPII to the standards. The miracle attributed to him is no more legitimate than Casey Anthony's testimony. And yes that is a very good point Smurf, one I'd like people to comment on: How can people adore someone who helped pedophiles and child abusers escape justice? How is that defensible?

Benedict isn't much better, only by a hair.

This much is sadly true.

bunch of lyars and hypocrites...the bank of vatican has probably bih stock amount in chemical industry ;)

That is probably one of the reasons that JPII wasn`t chosen as a patron for a new school in Wałbrzych. Students and teachers chose Princess Daisy, a local prewar aristocrat of British origin.

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Among the candidates for the patron of the school were St. John Paul II , St. Faustyna Kowalska and Princess Daisy Hochberg von Pless . By decision of the voters, the third one won the competition.

The decision of the school community was positively received by Internet users. The post posted on the school's Facebook profile is full of congratulations.

"It's very nice that a local character was chosen. Big applause for young people," writes Grażyna. "Reason won. An original and good patron" - says Aneta.

"Congratulations to Students, Teachers and Parents! Your choice restores faith that education in Poland is still functioning, that there is hope for raising wise Poles, open to life and the world . May you persevere on the path of independent choices, rejecting doctrinalism and shaping open minds. Bravo...!!! - commented Robert.

Internet users also point out that the new patron of the school was strongly associated with the city.
"Cool, a perfect example of local patriotism, after all, the duchess had more in common with the city than other candidates!" - wrote Przemek.

Has she become a saint?

Not yet.

....and the pope does.

Which one? Coz there are so many of them.....

...JP2

Haven't you heard, the Pope is all but dead.
Nostradamus predictions for 2023: An antichrist arrives, World War III and the monarchy dies.

Benedict

He didn't make predictions that far ahead.

There are some who believe in St Malachy's prophesies about popes (including JPII) however attributing some of the verses to popes is occasionally a stretch. And JPII kept a dignified silence about such matters, although he did believe in certain prophecies.

You have gone off-topic trolling here again, joun
NO, Pope Paul ll is dead but you can speak for him also.
Meanwhile Pope John Paul II beatified 1,344 people.
Did you know that since you are so anti-Catholic ?
Beatifications have always been used by the Vatican as a marketing tool.
Polish people are a very superstitious bunch so it worked well on them.

Nobody can 'speak for' the Pope. He is the successor to Saint Peter. The Holy Ghost speaks through Him.

There is no such thing.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God
Psalm 14

John Paul deserves beatification!
He was the first, indeed the only, sitting Pope who "absolved" the Jews of killing Christ by acknowledging the Romans' guilt.

Plenty of former Pontiffs might easily have brokered some deal with the Jews and declared them to be innocent, but they didn't.

Wojtyla was an unusual man.

He was beatified donkey's years ago and canonised some time afterwards.


A very special person. Went on too long in office though, however there wasn't a precedent for retiring.

May he rest in peace to rise in glory.

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Well jon, about Benedikt I as a Jew definitely have serious reservations!
First off, he was aptly described on several occasions as a "Rottweiler" when it came to his unbending view of Church doctrine, e.g. abortion and the usual suspects.

Secondly, he was indoctrinated into the Hitler Youth while still a teen, too young to have committed any crimes, old enough to have become poisoned by the noxious ideology of the Nazi creed.

While he did agree to meet with a fellow German several years back, former Rabbi Arthur Schneier of the Park East Synagogue in Manhattan, one cannot help but think it was all for appearances.

Hitler after all agreed to meet with certain representatives of the Judenraete, and we all know what that meant LOL

He was forced to join; it was compulsory. A Teacher of his who (like Josef Ratzinger) was also anti-Nazi helped him avoid having to attend meetings or go on parades.


I doubt it. He was integrity personified.


Come on. Are you really comparing him to Adolf Hitler?

Scarcely, jon! As you're very much aware, the Hitler Youth was NOT like the Boy Scouts; what little Joey learns, big Joe will never forget.

All I'm saying is that he was in my opinion a truly mixed bag and was all too controversial for beatification in future.

Who said it was?

Unlike the scouts, membership was compulsory; yet he managed to avoid attending, through the help of another anti-Nazi. Given the time he lived in, he's probably cleaner than 95% of Germans in that regard.

And of course he was a child when the war started and finished.


In fact he was extremely straightforward. JPII was very much a mixed baf mind you; most humans are.


As far as I know, his cause hasn't been put forward, however there is nothing in his past that would be an impediment.

A matter of personal taste, I suppose.

Or hard facts.

It's still shocking that you campare him to Hitler, someone he opposed at no small risk to himself.

Hardly a comparison, jon.
I merely wonder out loud the extent to which anyone of us inculcated with the virulence of Nazi teachings from early adolescence, can even gradually expunge such filth from their system!

Indeed it can be done. A dear acquaintance of mine who recently passed away at the age of ninety-nine was to be sure that flagrant exception. It can be done...but instances of such are all too rare in my experience.

The evidence suggests that he and his family went to great lengths to avoid that. Not every family listened to the radio, not every schoolteacher was a devotee of Germanic supremacy.


That may explain a lot about German society; perhaps they are steeped in something dark. I hope they are not, and this on the one hand does not reflect my experience with friends who are German but on the other hand may explain some of the truly appalling personalities I've met there.


I had a neighbour, an elderly German who'd lived in the UK for a long time, probably since the war. He had certainly been a Nazi (his flat contained wartime memorabilia; I always worried that someone would rob him) yet he was one of the nicest people you could hope to meet. He would have been a decade older than Pope Benedict at most, perhaps less than a decade.

Regarding your first, undoubtedly correct, observation, the problem remains how to find THAT one school master who wasn't a Nazi adherent!

One'd have to sift awfully hard.

Evidently it wasn't a problem for him given that he was protected by one.


Looking among the very religious is often a good place to start if you want to find people with a conscience.