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John Paul II's Beatification


spinnerdcc - | 6
1 May 2011 #31
He was the pope, the head of the church, I don't think that makes him a false idol in the eyes of practising Catholics.

Leviticus 26:1, "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God."

John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

btw I'm atheist and it's by researching religeons that has made me such.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
1 May 2011 #32
Leviticus 26:1,

John 14:6

Yeah, you'd be hard pressed to find any mention of the pope in the bible too.
Fact is he was the head of the Catholic church, not a god as you are trying to make out.
Like Buddha in Buddhist countries, people have his image everywhere here, pray to him and respect him but do not think he is a God.

btw I'm atheist and it's by researching religeons that has made me such.

BTW I am also an atheist but this is not about me or you :)
spinnerdcc - | 6
1 May 2011 #33
Like Buddha in Buddhist countries, people have his image everywhere here, pray to him and respect him but do not think he is a God.

Can't really compare buddhism as it's a totally diffrent entity, The Buddha was person who created a religeon not somebody who claims to be gods representative on earth.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #34
Buddhism enriches religion but is more a school of thought.
spinnerdcc - | 6
1 May 2011 #35
There are serious problems with the definition of "religion:"

Many people have their personal favorite definition which they know to be the correct one, to the exclusion of all others. Unfortunately, there does not exist anything approaching a consensus.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #36
That's a fair point there :) :)

amtb.cn/e-bud/releases/educati.htm, have a read of this. As a teacher, I can recommend Webster's. It tends to be reliable.

Can we get back to the topic of the thread please!
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #37
There are serious problems with the definition of "religion:"

No there are none, the problem is that you're an uneducated ape attempting to have an opinion about a subject you're aboslutely clueless, thats what happens when toilet cleaners attempt nuclear physics.

Also regardless of a religion, JP II was a great and a powerfull man, he'll be remembered next to such figures as Mahatma Ghandi and for that alone he deserves recognition that sainthood brigs with it.
spinnerdcc - | 6
1 May 2011 #38
lolololololol

pause for breath

lolololololol

Now please wake up. I never questioned that JP was a nice bloke.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
1 May 2011 #39
Unfortunately, there does not exist anything approaching a consensus.

Why should there be? Religion is like a lifestyle, each has its own, healthy or not.

you're an uneducated ape attempting to have an opinion about a subject you're aboslutely clueless

What subject? Sainthood? Baseless invention of the church bureaucracy. Religion? There are so many religions as people. Just many are grouped into herds of dumb followers who even don't know what they follow. Look at yourself - you are a hyper-devoted Catholic and it is most colorfully expressed in your posts - you are a part of this blind herd that goes in the opposite to the barking direction. More made up fairy-tales than a simple rational logic.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #40
Religion?

Aye.

There are so many religions as people.

Not really no, a religion is a specific belief system for a group of people, for example if you've been christened into a catholic order than you're a Catholic.

Baseless invention of the church bureaucracy.

Maybe, maybe not but i think you can agree that it is a very high form of recognition and i'm of the opinion that JP II deserves it in the fullest.

ook at yourself - you are a hyper-devoted Catholic and it is most colorfully expressed in your posts

Not at all Nathan, i've been to church 2 times this year and one of those was a friends wedding, i had a period in my life, over five years long when theology and philosophy were my interests so while not a devout Catholic i know what Catholicism for example is all about.

you are a part of this blind herd that goes in the opposite to the barking direction.

Whats blind about being a Catholic? We believe in a benevolent God, we believe in equality, freedom and loads of other good things.

More made up fairy-tales than a simple rational logic.

Could you please point out the made up fairy tales you claim we believe in?
spinnerdcc - | 6
1 May 2011 #41
Could you please point out the made up fairy tales you claim we believe in?

Oh that's just too tempting!

This thread has been knocked off track too far already so I won't bother.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #42
Oh that's just too tempting!

I'm tempting you then, point out, to me a stupid Catholic the fairy tales that i was misled to believe in.

This thread has been knocked off track too far already so I won't bother.

There's only so much to say about beatification, you either agree with it or you dont, or you dont care.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
1 May 2011 #43
Could you please point out the made up fairy tales you claim we believe in?

Condoms, sainthood, priesthood, confession, communion, mass elaborations, holy relics,...

a religion is a specific belief system for a group of people

There are so many religions as people. Just many are grouped into herds of dumb followers who even don't know what they follow

That's what I said.

Whats blind about being a Catholic? We believe in a benevolent God, we believe in equality, freedom and loads of other good things

You said it yourself - a Catholic is someone who believes in a fairy-tale and this is where it stops: belief.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #44
To Polish folk here, what distinctly Catholic feature did JPII have? What Catholic beliefs did he espouse that warmed people to him?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
1 May 2011 #45
Despite ostensible Christianity, Germans had always worshipped pagan gods and Hitler played on those sentiments.

I don't know about "always" but C.G. Jung, for example, saw Nazism as a resurgance of the older faith as his essay Wotan argues.
scottie1113 7 | 898
1 May 2011 #46
Also regardless of a religion, JP II was a great and a powerfull man, he'll be remembered next to such figures as Mahatma Ghandi and for that alone he deserves recognition that sainthood brigs with it.

John Paul II isn't being beatified because he was a good man, although he was certainly that. Beatification is the first step on the way to becoming a saint. First, the person must be dead, and he or she must have performed a verified miracle. John Paul II has done these. To become a saint, the Pope needs to confirm a second miracle.

Interestingly enough, not one of the almost 100 Poles I spoke to last week thought it was important for John Paul II to become a saint. They love him for the good man he was.

Btw, I'm neither Polish nor Catholic.
Nathan 18 | 1,363
1 May 2011 #47
To become a saint, the Pope needs to confirm a second miracle.

Catholics still run with spears and sleep in caves.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
1 May 2011 #48
I am not Polish , i am not any follower of the faith , in fact i believe it all to be a load of nonsense , but despite that i think that Jan Pawel was a great man , loved and respected by millions , and somebody the Polish nation has every right to be proud of....

i would like to have met him...

Sadly the subject of the covered up child abuse scandal will feature once again in the news , hopefully Jan Pawel is not involved in any of the cover up.... i suspect its the lower ranks that did this , and kept much of it from the Pope himself....
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #49
Sadly the subject of the covered up child abuse scandal will feature once again in the news

Fact, children rape themselves then accuse priests because they're anti-catholic.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #50
Sok, stop the nonsense! Children cannot do that and you know it. Priests have been caught out before and their name is often synonymous in parts of Scotland with such heinous deeds. JPII was more concerned with his international duties and didn't concern himself with such matters.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #51
Sok, stop the nonsense! Children cannot do that and you know it.

All it takes is for little Timmy to squeeze a thumb up his arse and scream rape, personally i think those little perverted brats need to be put down.

Priests have been caught out before and their name is often synonymous in parts of Scotland with such heinous deeds.

Even if some priest raped a kid show some understanding k? He COULD have killed him.
sascha 1 | 826
1 May 2011 #52
All it takes is for little Timmy to squeeze a thumb up his arse and scream rape, personally i think those little perverted brats need to be put down

Fact, children rape themselves then accuse priests because they're anti-catholic.

Are you maybe extremely paranoic??
Seanus 15 | 19,706
1 May 2011 #53
Rape must be through penile penetration btw.

Anyway, back to the topic. What Catholic virtues were espoused by JPII? What was his most endearing Catholic feature?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #54
Are you maybe extremely paranoic??

Self rape by satanist kids is serious business.

Rape must be through penile penetration btw.

Then they probably rape each other and then blame it on priests.

What was his most endearing Catholic feature?

Awesome hats.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #56
Hats make you awesome, its a fact acknowledged by Darth Vader and Catholic Popes.

Sok, what do you know of JPII?

I know he is not amused:
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
1 May 2011 #58
cheezburger.com/Matt11/lolz/View/1297938176

German one is even better!
FlaglessPole 4 | 669
1 May 2011 #59
I know he is not amused:

humor par excellence :)
rybnik 18 | 1,461
1 May 2011 #60
So many Polish flags! So many Poles! It's awesome!.......I don't think they should fast-track his sainthood though.


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