Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps'

YES, that was THEN and this is NOW.
We can't do much about water over the dam but we can learn from it and this is NOW not then.
Besides, we are not talking about Germany, we are talking about Israel's sins of today.

Oh and there is a lot of them - more than North Korea, Cuba, and Iran COMBINED.

Here is every UN resolution against Israel - it runs the gambit from massacring innocent unarmed college students, to illegally occupying the West Bank and bulldozing people's homes, to building nuclear weapons (yet Israel criticizes Iran for doing the exact same thing), failure to abide by the Geneva Convention, etc....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

I've heard a lot about the Holocaust deniers now let's talk about the Zionist deniers here.
Pictures and video's speak louder then words.

aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/israeli-forces-kill-palestinians-wound-955-gaza-protest-180427170725104.html

And what Pope says about all this mess? Does he support Jews or Poles?

If anybody knows answers, please share.

Nevertheless Johnny, I'm sure you would be raging inside, outside, from all sides, with bitterness if the people who killed your people, stole their property and for years resisted compensation until literally pushed to the walls, were living high off the hog at the government's expense and whose crimes became whitewashed.

Now, I realize that the Germans had their noses rubbed in it far more than the Poles. However, the question of culpability needs to be spread around. I extend the word "culpability" also to include any Jews who either willingly and traitorously in any way collaborated with the enemy for the sake of quick, easy gain.

And that's exactly how millions of Poles feel about the PRL commies yet PO constantly resists lustration and setting the record straight. They even complained the people who ushered in martial law were demoted and their pensions reduced.

The Poles didn't do that to the Jews any more than any WW2 country did - aside from Nazi Germany of course. The Americans didn't even want to take in Jewish refugees fleeing Europe.

The Poles who did do that did it because there was a state of civil war in Poland after WW2 and abject poverty all around. People had to go to the extremes just to survive. And the fact that Jewish Bolsheviks tried to invade Poland and collaborated with the Soviets made it easier for Poles to justify their actions. If your neighbor gave you up to some invading power and you were tortured or your wife was raped or your property burned down or stolen and then you have the opportunity to now rob him, get even and get away with it - especially when there's poverty all around you - I'm sure you'd do the same thing. It's easy to say Oh I would never do that but until you're in that kind of situation you just don't know what you would do or not do.


For how long? When does it ever end? People are sick of hearing about the nonstop whining from international Jewry about how badly they suffered and how many died when there were millions of other victims who still haven't compensated to this day. What about the tens of millions of Russians that died? What about the millions of Poles or even non combatants from Germany, France, etc.? What about all the other genocides that took place - including ones more recent than the Holocaust. The Jews had for far too long made the world think that they suffered more than any one else in WW2 and that they're somehow the most important victim. Poles are finally saying - no we suffered just as much - it is on our soil where those camps were built after the Nazi invasion and western betrayal. The Jews already got billions in compensation not to mention nonstop attention through books, movies, and official government policies - now it's time to focus on the other WW2 victims and other genocides. Israel and world Zionists hate it that people are beginning to simply do not care as much about the Holocaust since it happened so long ago and they already got plenty of money - hell they got a whole country and billions upon billions of dollars in support. The world is beginning to focus more on recent events and people who are suffering now - which ironically now includes people suffering thanks to Zionist aggression and violence. Especially the more left wing types realize Israel for what it actually is. Sadly, the right/center right still seems hell bent on kissing Zionist ass till the bitter end and even if a war were to begin between with Iran and Israel they'll again convince young americans they're fighting for freedom and that this is a war to stop terror, or WMDs, or whatever bullshit they come up with.

No it does not. Poles feel no collective guilt for the holocaust and compensation has to end sooner or later. Where are the Jews standing up for compensation of property lost by Poles to the Soviet Union? Or by Roma? Poland has been generous enough with compensation.

Play another card, the collective guilt card won't work.

Looks like you are not getting much sympathy today Lyzko.
I think it is Poland's turn get some compensation for the "Polish Gulag Holocaust" not to mention the total destruction of their country.
The Poles lost their dignity too but you don't listen to a perpetual pity party claiming the world owes them a living and that they are above the rest.

If the Poles received only half what the Jews have raked in over the years Poland would be on easy street.
Maybe it is time for the Polish to start beating a dead horse and see what they can milk it for.

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Do you have any sympathy for what was done to my family by the Jewish partisan supported NKVD East?, are you going to put your hand in your pocket and hand over cash to me for what your band of brothers did to my familty, see below.

"Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

Are you aware of the creature above, do they teach Jewish children about their above heritage.

Imagine jews learming actual history instead of made up babble. I find this concept funny.

You kosher psychos killed millions of Goys in 20th century alone. Now you operate a fascist state built on the stolen land, own the largest stock of illegal WMD in the world and steal billions each year due to Holocaust Industry.

And you want to pose as some kind of judge of humanity ? What a joke, take your "Holocaust" and shove it up.

Obvious here that the lessons of the Holocaust have yet to be learned, and likely, never will be at this rate. Your fallacious logic is unimpressive to say the least.

Explaining that the Nazis slaughtered millions of Jews and others ought not be met with "Oh, but you crazy Jews killed far more....!!" etc. ad nauseum.

Go back to school, before or after you have your diapers changedLOL

11 out of 12 Gulags were run by Jews , the camp directors were Matvei Berman and Hershel Jehuda they slaughtered 10's of millions , as a Jew do you accept complicit responsibility for this? if not why not when you blame the Polish nation for the Hollocaust.

Are you going to pay reparations for my loss at the hands of the above Jews?

Its pointless. You see the Jews are 'special'.
The only way to deal with this kind of moronic, illogical tribal aggression is to show them a 'special' hand gesture and extend a middle finger as sign of peace and quiet.

Unfortunately some useless Congress dudes are talking that crap seriously alongside some serious grants for their campaign costs no doubt.

Israel clearly hasn't learned the lessons of the Holocaust. They went from bullied to bully as soon as they were able to after WW2 and to this day much, I'd say most, of the conflict that occurs in the middle east is due to Israel's Zionist policies and it's support and funding for Sunni radicals like Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, etc.

ISIS gets criticized for taxing Christians yet Israel does the exact same thing. It really takes a special government to force a tax on church/mosque properties.

Can you imagine the fallout if Poland taxed synagogues and had a bill in parliament that would approve their appropriation by the state? You'd have every MSM outlet calling Poland racist, anti-Semitic, and calls to cut diplomatic ties. Yet no one does that to Israel when they're taxing churches and mosques and ultimately want to be able to appropriate them at will without compensation

It is high time for Poland, and indeed all nations that haven't been completely overrun by Zionists, to mirror Israel's policies and drove home the fact that they're merely copying what Israel does. No one will criticize them because by default they'd also be criticizing Israel, meaning they'd immediately be called anti-Semitic...

A very fair comment, given the inanity and bile visible on this page.

Is it not your cherished Marxist labour party that is currently responsible for a huge rise in anti antisemitism within Great Britain.

It doesn't work that way. The new Polish law has largely mirrored the "Holocaust denial" laws that Jews pushed down the throats of so many countries but it didn't help much. That's because Jews are "special", Holocaust was "unique", Israel is "special" and so on. People (especially in the US) were so brainwashed that many really believe some jerk is "special" just because 3rd cousine of his great grandfather was killed in Europe 75 years ago. What we need is a widespread grass root action to explain the basic things first.

Holocaust relativism runs rampant here on PF!

You seem to get upset when the majority doesn't agree with your Marxist agenda jon.


Better get use to it Mark.
You want to talk relativism, LETS !


Truer words were never spoken.
The Jews didn't seem to give a rats ass that my father who volunteered to help stop the killing in Europe when he got shot up in the process.

The Jews didn't seem to give attention to the troops that came back missing arms and legs.
The Jews didn't seems to give a rats ass about the thousand upon thousands of American troops that came back with their heads messed up so bad that the could not work a responsible job, became alcoholics to forget, had dysfunctional families because of what they had been through.

The Jews didn't seem to give a rats ass about all the Americans that lost their lives in that war but God Almighty the precious holier then thou Jews !

They demand reparations for the rest of eternity from the same people that have already sacrificed so much for the Jews.
Seems the Jews should be paying reparations to ME for what was taken from me and my families life.
The Jews were the problem in Europe, not me and my family across the pond here.
Its time you whining third generation Zionist Jews that personally experienced nothing put it to rest, it is over !
You want respect for the Holocaust then start giving some respect to those who sacrificed to stop it.
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL !
Demand, p iss and moan, whine, scream, stomp your feet all you want.......you are no better or special then I am.
Got It !

Noone should "get used to" something which is already an aberration and should never have been in the first place.

Quite, Lzyko. The amount of abuse that you're suffering here from bedroom brownshirts who have contributed nothing to society is an absolute joke.

You are the one creating the monster, no one here would deny the terrible atrocity against the Jews during the second world war, but you appear to be on a mission to promote fake news that the polish people and the Polish government were as complicit as the Nazis in this mass genocide, you are not prepared to accept that there were random lunatic Jews and Poles that served both the nazi and soviet regimes and murdered millions of poles and jews in concentration camps and gulags.

I for one would like to see the return of Jews to Poland as in those times where Poland was a haven for the Jewish people there was also great prosperity.

Stop stirring the shite and work to building a better future for young Jews and Poles alike , the world will be a better place once your and my generation are dead and buried, and the youngsters are given a chance to move forward without these historic shackles.

Sadly, Dolno, some would and occasionally do :-(


I think it's probably too late for that now; too much has happened since those days. Nevertheless, I'd like to see this too.

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I didn't mean this specific holocaust law - I meant in general. But you're right though this was a unique case. Still i think the fact that they never drilled home the fact that this is merely a copy of the Israeli law, nor did they ever say words like 'Well Israel did it - why can't we? what are they somehow special? don't you think that's supremacist?' instead morawiecki and pis spent waaaaaaaaay too much time explaining their position, saying poles helped jews, saying there were other perpetrators - including jews, and all this bullsh1t when he should've said look this is Poland, a sovereign nation, we're going to make our own laws. we may not agree with us/german/Russian or whatever laws but we don't tell them what to do in their country.' Ijnstead they spent waay too much time explaining and defending their position, explaining Poland's history, all this bs - no one cares about that. You have to be forceful, if you explain yourself like a lil b1tch you get treated like one - and that's what's happening now with this law. If they said plainly, look our country - our laws, the polish people will not tolerate indignities nor will we be told what laws we should or shouldn't write' everyone would've said well damn yeah they have a point they're a sovereign nation and it would've been over. African countries get criticized for their laws against homosexuality and that's what they do - they saw its our country and we're against homosexuality. same with putin and Russia - he said it's a sovereign nation and we don't want gay propaganda. and it ended at that - the world moved on. yet this bs with Poland is dragging on for months and honestly its more Poland's fault than anything by constantly putting them in the spotlight and explaining it constantly only for rabid lefty journos to pick out some phrase out of context, publish it all over the web, then even more accusations of anti-Semitism fly and it makes their position even worse - and now they feel the need to explain what they said when 20 mics were stuck in their face - they set themselves up in this vicious cycle but not immediately taking a stand and saying **** off - our country, our laws.


Well then they're going to walk around with rose colored glasses their whole life. I'm not saying that the holocaust or any genocides should be repeated and shouldn't be avoided - but the fact is they do. In fact, the victim count from the Holocaust was fairly small when compared to other genocides that occurred after ww2. Our world is cruel and violent. diplomacy breaks down constantly, there's tons of civil strife, tons of violence, and tons of greed, corruption, etc. Since I typed this I guarantee that at least 1 dude in my city was shot and killed. Does that make him or her any less of a victim than a Jew shot by a Nazi or a Pole shot by a Bolshevik? I don't think so.

Tell me who I have not seen a denier, plenty of argument about numbers etc but not seen an outright nazi a$$hole here, or at least not one that lasted very long.


I don't think so the rise of antisemitism is forging a path where Poland would once again be a safe haven for Jews in Europe.

P.S you have not answered my question about the rise of anti antisemitism in your cherished labour party?.

The world is a different place now. There's a Jewish state. But there's some sort of revival of the Jewish life in Poland. But there has to be mutual understanding on both sides.

As much as I'm curious about the past, I'm fed up with constant accusations on the Jewish part.

Tha'ts why you will be better off when my generation drops dead, you will be free to build a positive future and not be shackled by the past.

Well how about you delph ?
You claimed that you are Jewish.
You must be suffering just horrible to think most of us here are sick and tired of the daily Jewish propaganda being spewed here.


What the real joke is people who make such claims, with no sources to back up their BAITING, are the ones that the only thing they have conquered in their life is a triple bacon cheese burger with extra cheesy fries.