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Grzegorz Braun extinguishes Hanukkah candles in Polish Parliament


Ironside  50 | 12387
5 Jan 2024   #301
I never said anyone was born in Israel, Ironside. What are you asking?

You said about the Chief Rabbi of Poland Ber Stambler as a Polish-born Jew. When in fact he was born in Isreal.
Lyzko  41 | 9615
5 Jan 2024   #302
His predecessor, whoever he or she was, WAS born in Poland!
Ironside  50 | 12387
5 Jan 2024   #303
WAS born in Poland!

So WAS Menachem Begin the Israeli Prime Minister. what was he doing in Israel making peace with Egypt. lol!
So, what is your point? Not nothing what you are talking about?
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Lyzko  41 | 9615
5 Jan 2024   #304
The obvious point which seems to have eluded you
is that whoever was born in Poland and is a Polish citizen
is thereby a Pole, ethnic origins notwithstanding.

I think Poland has finally arrived at the enlightened point
where someone born in that country and whose name is
Shmuel Szymon Szmulowicz can still call themselves a Pole.

It's tough though I will admit for such a homogeneous nation
to eventually accept someone of a different historic origin as
"one of their own". In future though, they'll have to or risk
life passing them by.

Is all that honestly worth running out of the house, pitchforks
ablaze, ready, willing, and able to chase those who are "different"
out of Poland, the land of their birth and education??

There's an old saying in the US; if it looks like a duck and quacks
like a duck, guess what, it's a duck! LOL
Crow  154 | 9340
5 Jan 2024   #305
Grzegorz Braun extinguishes Hanukkah candles in Polish Parliament

Good. Poland is Polish and Slavic ie Sarmatian. We are all humans sure, but we all have our homes.
Novichok  5 | 7951
5 Jan 2024   #306
whoever was born in Poland and is a Polish citizen is thereby a Pole, ethnic origins notwithstanding.

...except for the Jews who said at least once: Poles and Jews. Those Jews are not Poles.

We are all humans sure, but we all have our homes.

...our separate homes.

Good point, Crow.
Poloniusz  5 | 916
6 Jan 2024   #307
It's tough though I will admit for such a homogeneous nation to eventually accept someone of a different historic origin as
"one of their own". In future though, they'll have to or risk life passing them by.

Only liars, hypocrites, trolls and crazy people have wild inconsistencies in their arguments.

At the end of the day you only want homogeneity for your own in-group no matter where they reside.

And your own in-group is a complete social construct based on a highly selective narrative.

...except for the Jews who said at least once: Poles and Jews. Those Jews are not Poles.

Such people only want to be Polish on paper when it suits them such as applying for benefits or when they get arrested.
Novichok  5 | 7951
6 Jan 2024   #308
Such people only want to be Polish on paper when it suits them such as applying for benefits or when they get arrested.

Their other tool is religion vs ethnicity vs race. Pick one that works better...
Poloniusz  5 | 916
6 Jan 2024   #309
When these identifiers are nothing but shifting sands and randomly used and defined only to gain advantage or avoid responsibility then they should be disempowered and not recognized at all.
Lyzko  41 | 9615
6 Jan 2024   #310
@Poloniusz, you're putting words in my mouth....again.
@Rich, assimilated and thoroughly acculturated Jews refer to themselves as Poles of the Jewish faith.
Observant or pious Jews who happen to have been born in Poland will typically
refer to themselves as Jews who were born in Poland, but not as Poles!

Got it?
Novichok  5 | 7951
6 Jan 2024   #311
refer to themselves as Jews who were born in Poland, but not as Poles!

They should be deported.

@Poloniusz, you're putting words in my mouth....again.

No, he is not since he is not referring to you in any way.

1. Did the assimilated Jews before WW2 speak Hebrew or Polish at home?
2. Did they sing the Polish national anthem?
3. If so, pro forma or with the same emotional engagement as the Poles?
Poloniusz  5 | 916
6 Jan 2024   #312
you're putting words in my mouth....again.

Not at all. You think your argument is watertight but it has too many holes in it.

Your era of comfortably taking it for granted that no one would notice or be shamed into not talking about it is over.

acculturated Jews refer to themselves as Poles of the Jewish faith. Observant or pious Jews born in Poland refer to themselves as Jews born in Poland, but not as Poles!

Well if they want to be distinguish from everyone else then you agree they should be issued ID cards and numberplate for their cars showing that they are different from the rest of society.

How else should be they be treated differently?

They should be deported.

Great idea since they go to great pains to show they don't actually want anything to do with the society that hosts and tolerates them.
Novichok  5 | 7951
6 Jan 2024   #313
How else should they be treated differently?

Jews are intelligent and educated and still dumb like a rock. They knew what Germans thought about them in September 1939. I would immediately shave that disgusting beard, burn my black clothes, dye my hair, get me a cross necklace, and become a Catholic. My Jewish God would be so proud knowing that it would be just for show and to stay alive.

Even the Jewish God has no use for dead Jews.
Alien  24 | 5760
6 Jan 2024   #314
Jews are intelligent and educated and still dumb like a rock

This statement is a contradiction in terms.

I would immediately shave that disgusting beard, burn my black clothes, dye my hair, get me a cross necklace, and become a Catholic

That's exactly what they did to survive

Even the Jewish God

This is also our God.
Poloniusz  5 | 916
6 Jan 2024   #315
and become a Catholic.

Many Jews or their ancestors have voluntarily converted to Christianity and even rose to prominent positions in it.

The first 'Jewish' archbishop of Canterbury heads to Israel

timesofisrael.com/the-first-jewish-archbishop-of-canterbury-heads-to-israel/

Jewish-born actor Shia LaBeouf converts to Catholicism, intends to become deacon

timesofisrael.com/jewish-born-actor-shia-labeouf-converts-to-catholicism-intends-to-become-deacon/

This is also our God.

No.

Christianity is trinitarian, Judaism is not.
Novichok  5 | 7951
6 Jan 2024   #316
That's exactly what they did to survive

Why then you could tell one from a distance? How would you know what is my religion if any?

This statement is a contradiction in terms.

Absolutely not. Visit any US uni.
We have a Supreme Court justice who doesn't know what a woman is. She heard "first black woman on the USSC" but is still too stupid to define a woman.
Lyzko  41 | 9615
7 Jan 2024   #317
@Rich, deportation merely gets rid of the symptom, i.e. Jews were rarely if ever
made to feel at home in Poland, try as many did to assimilate as well as acculturate.
Deportation doesn't get rid of the problem, does it. The problem dates back to the
destruction of the First Temple, scattering them to all corners of the globe.

Would it have hurt gentiles to at least acknowledge or welcome their Jewish neighbors
into the fold, particularly with all the talk about "Christian charity"??

I was taught, especially at Passover time, to make room at the table for those less fortunate.
In that touching article of several years ago, "A cup for Elijah", the author writes of how he
purposely invited the least popular tenant in this apt. bldg. to participate in his family seder.
Rather than exclude, he decided to include and everyone found out that the fella wasn't
that bad at all. In fact, all he needed was a little nudge now and then to take part in life.

How sad that members of all faiths, including the Jewish, don't take this parable to heart.
Novichok  5 | 7951
7 Jan 2024   #318
Deportation doesn't get rid of the problem, does it.

Yes, it does. That's why once a week our garbage is by the curb. It is picked up and dumped far away into a very deep pit. It's still garbage but at least I don't see it or smell it.

No, I don't see Jews as garbage. My best friend and my first love were both Jewish. Just proving your claim wrong.
To me, a pacifist Jew is contemptible. A Jew with an AR-15 is my hero. I call them Israelis.
Lyzko  41 | 9615
7 Jan 2024   #319
Neither Israel nor Israelis are perfect, my friend. Netanyahu's finding this out,
much to his chagrin.
Novichok  5 | 7951
7 Jan 2024   #320
Who do you want to win? Israel or Hamas? No weasel crap, please.
Lyzko  41 | 9615
7 Jan 2024   #321
Naturally, Hamas must be put down.
The difficulty remains that not ALL Palestinians are necessarily
Hamas supporters!!

Just as in WWII. Not ALL Germans were Nazis or even Nazi sympathizers.
It was the Nazis and Hitler who had to be eliminated, not the entire country.

For this reason, the truism still holds:In war, you lose even if you win. Ask
Mother Sullivan who lost all here sons on that sub in pursuit of the enemy.
And there were uncounted others.

You lose idealism, might as well just go rent a cage at the local zoo by
walking on all fours, because you've forfeited your precious humanity.
Novichok  5 | 7951
7 Jan 2024   #322
Naturally, Hamas must be put down.

"Put down"? I just put down my cup of coffee. Is this what you meant?
Where do you want to put them down? In Iowa?
Alien  24 | 5760
7 Jan 2024   #323
Where do you want to put them down

.....in the grave.🤭
Novichok  5 | 7951
7 Jan 2024   #324
That's the last step. The first is to kill them.
Lyzko  41 | 9615
8 Jan 2024   #325
As the absolute last resort if they won't respond to reason.
The only reason one can justify, for example, the firebombing of
Dresden, is because the Nazis refused to listen to reason and therefore
had to be dealt with more harshly.

Certainly not something I'd be proud of.
Crnogorac3  3 | 658
8 Jan 2024   #326


About the Jews - St. Nikolai Velimirović
Ironside  50 | 12387
9 Jan 2024   #327
Whoever was born in Poland and is a Polish citizen
is thereby a Pole, ethnic origins notwithstanding.

Well, they called Polinisation and say it is a bad thing. I'm all for it no more some pesty idiots claim to be Ukrainians, you are Poles and you should just stand in line and shut your gobs. Hey, Lyzko you solved all the world's problems.
Lyzko  41 | 9615
9 Jan 2024   #328
I try in my small way!
Novichok  5 | 7951
9 Jan 2024   #329
Well, they called Polinisation and say it is a bad thing

Some call it "cultural genocide".
In the US, in real life or on TV shows, when a Christian woman marries a Jew, it's always she who converts. The same with Muslims.

Jews and Muslims are the most intolerant and discriminating subspecies. But it's OK. It's called preserving their cultural identity.
Try the same as a white Christian, and you are the worst scum ever walking on this earth.

Hey, Lyzko, do you know how to define a woman?
Lyzko  41 | 9615
9 Jan 2024   #330
Still on that one, are we.


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