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Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations


Paulina
31 Aug 2023 #211
I am not worried about Ukrainians per se but rather about this fishy idea of Polish-Ukrainian union

Such union is next to impossible to happen, so why would you worry about something THAT improbable?

about the possible compensation that Ukraine might be offered in such union at Poland's expense, for the lands they are bound to lose in the east.

Sorry, but that's even more of a political sci-fi than that "Polish-Ukrainian Union" that you're so worried about lol o_O

Of course they would need to persuade our politicians too but can you honestly say that it's impossible?

Yes, I can.

lol
pawian
31 Aug 2023 #212
but you - you will look

No, I won`t. I am intent on proving to our readers what little hypocritical manipulator Kania is. And on top of that, on showing he relies on and is aided by imperialist Russian in this discussion. AmaSSing! :):):)

As for your claims about me, read my words in post 196 - I don`t care about myself. Besides, everything what you say is a lie coming from an imperialist Russian so isn`t it clear I don`t give a shite??? :):):) hahahaha
Paulina
31 Aug 2023 #213
Hope the check from the State Department is appropriate.

You're projecting :)))
Ironside
31 Aug 2023 #214
Ukrainian and Polish statehood into a single union.

No!
There is no way that can happen. There is no political will on both sides. There is no reason or sense to it.
It is a total big nay to such idea.
I don't know who push such sill ideas but that is a rather toxic or stupid one.
dolnoslask
31 Aug 2023 #215
Simple answer ... Poland does not need anymore land , especially if it involves taking on a million foreign mouths to feed and a reconstruction cost running into trillions, don't think there will be any unions any time soon lol
GefreiterKania
31 Aug 2023 #216
the West forcing Poles to accept the cesession of Zakerzonia to Ukraine

Might very well happen:

1. The West decides, for a number of reasons, to end the war. For this they will need some sort of compensation to Ukraine who - I am certain of it - will lose some of their lands to Russia.

2. They will push the idea of glorious Polish-Ukrainian union. They can try to sell it as a new Rzeczpospolita or something and our silly politicians will fall for it.

3. Within the Union certain administrative border shifts will occur.

4. The union will eventually break up and the administrative borders will become state borders, at Poland's expense.

*shivers*
pawian
31 Aug 2023 #217
2. They will push the idea

Stop playing a cretin, I told you. :):):) Are you trying to sweep that little hypocrisy of yours under the carpet with this cretinism?? Too late..... the sour milk has already been spilt. Ha!
GefreiterKania
31 Aug 2023 #218
*yaaaaawn*

You're in your retard mode today, Pawian, and you bore me.
Paulina
31 Aug 2023 #219
The West decides, for a number of reasons, to end the war. For this they will need some sort of compensation to Ukraine

Kania, you're being so completely ridiculous/unhinged right now that I'm wondering whether you're pulling our leg... :))))
Did you hit yourself on the head? This is completely unrealistic. There's no reason why the West would "decide" to "compensate" Ukraine for lost lands, let alone with lands of an independent country - a country that is part of the EU and NATO and inhabited almost exclusively by Poles.

Are you high on something? lol

2. They will push the idea of glorious Polish-Ukrainian union.

Who will??

*shivers*

Better take your meds lol

looney
pawian
31 Aug 2023 #220
Kania, you're being so completely ridiculous/unhinged right now that I'm wondering whether you're pulling our leg... :))))

Yes, he has decided to turn a serious discussion into a joke to cover the fact that I caught him displaying amassing hypocrisy on Pol Ukr relations.

Let`s sum it up - Kania stubbornly expects Ukrainians to bend down before Poles for banderists, UPA and Volhynia massacres.
At the same time, he stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the fact that parts of Eastern Poland and Western Ukraine were annexed and colonised by Poles in the past centuries at the expense of Rus people, today called Ukrainians.

Pawian, and you bore me.

I don`t think so. :):):)

Besides, it is too late. :)::) The kefir has been spilt. Ha!
pawian
1 Sep 2023 #221
Poland, kneel down before Ukrainians who are defending you and Europe against imperialist Russian barbarians:
Slava Ukraini! Glory to Ukraine !



dolnoslask
1 Sep 2023 #222
Poland, kneel down

No I don't think we will ever do that any time soon , here is to a strong Poland with an army capable of defending its borders. P.S good luck to Ukraine.
pawian
2 Sep 2023 #223
here is to a strong Poland with an army capable of defending its borders.

Yes, but Ukrainians are destroying Russian forces and their equipment, thus making the job easier for the Polish army one day.
pawian
14 Sep 2023 #224
Polish gov refuses to allow Ukrainian produce, especially grain, be freely imported and sold in the Polish market. Ukrainians may only count on the transit to seaside ports but it isn`t enough due to big needs vs underdeveloped infrastructure.

Ukrainians threaten to take Poland to international courts if the current ban on their import is prolonged unilaterally by the Polish gov.
PiS gov is protecting the Polish farming market from low prices due to cheap Ukrainian grain before the coming elections.
Ironside
15 Sep 2023 #225
In short they trying to force us to buy their stuff! What gave them idea that they can?
Should we ask J KaczyƄski and Morawiecki? or was it Duda?
pawian
16 Sep 2023 #226
What gave them idea that they can?

What? The Russian aggression against Ukraine, that`s what! Imagine Poland in a similar situation, trying to sell anything anywhere to earn a few euros for weapons and soldiers` salary. You would feel highly offended if one of our neighbours blocked our export.

I see empathy isn`t your strong point..... :(:(:(:
Miloslaw
16 Sep 2023 #227
Russia is losing this war anyway.

We can all see it......except the Russians......
gumishu
17 Sep 2023 #228
if one of our neighbours blocked our export.

Poland is not blocking Ukrainian exports - the government is more than happy to provide transit for Ukrainian produce if it is not sold in Poland
Ironside
17 Sep 2023 #229
What?

Oh shut up! What you are mubing about? You such a fool. Go suck on banana, cretin!

Poland is not blocking Ukrainian exports

we do, we block export of grain from Ukrianie into Poland, that what it is about, that transit thing is only side issue, they dumped it all on Poland, I'm sorry but flity rich ukrainians can do without new golden toilets in their places and all those shareholders of interesional capital that own that grian can suck on a rotten banana not make money by destrying Polish grain producers, farmers and taxpayers.

Who send and is sending to Ukrianian tons of supplies, millatry stuff and most of it for free, who is paying for it? Polish taxpayers and what now they should lie down and take it?

WTF?
pawian
17 Sep 2023 #230
Poland is not blocking Ukrainian exports

if it is not sold in Poland

Sorry, read those two quotes again and try to figure out the logical aberration in what you wrote. Can you see it??? :):):)
Blocking is blocking, whatever you call it.
pawian
22 Sep 2023 #231
Oops, PiS` hostile moves against the import of Ukrainian produce and Ukrainian politicians` infantile reactions are going to influence the relations between two countries. I talked to my students and they are annoyed by Ukrainian "ingratitude." Over the past months Poles have heard from all over the world they are such a wonderful nation who tops the list of countries helping Ukraine. Now they are called Russian collaborators by the Ukrainian president.

My students really don`t like it. One day they will run this country as ministers, business people, civil servants, council members, teachers etc etc. What will they remember from today`s events? That Ukrainians can`t be trusted?? Of course it is a false presumption and I tried to explain it to them, but I am not able to talk to hundred thousands students in Poland.

Ukrainian gov should definitely reconsider their recent silly attitude to Poland to avoid the change of proUkrainian vibe of the Polish public opinion for worse. It would be extremely harmful to both countries - if Ukraine falls, Poland is the next target.

Bobko, you can send this post in full to your headquarters in the Kremlin troll factory, I don`t care. :):)
Novichok
22 Sep 2023 #232
That Ukrainians can`t be trusted??

Nobody can be trusted. It's such a truism that I am embarrassed to repeat it.

Ukrainian gov should definitely reconsider their recent silly attitude to Poland

Some words cannot be unsaid. Too late...That was an expensive lesson for Poland that fit so well with my approach to generosity: Always set the limits BEFORE the first gift!!!

I remember asking my favorite "how much" question here and some Polish moron's response: Whatever it takes... Moron is too mild...
pawian
22 Sep 2023 #233
Nobody can be trusted.

Impossible. Humans wouldn`t have built civilisations without mutual trust and cooperation. Ha! Read scientific papers on human trust - it is one of our inborn features.

Ukrainian gov should definitely reconsider their recent silly attitude to Poland to

Why only Ukrainian and not Polish? Coz the Polish rightist gov are political gangsters who are ready to turn into ugliest swine when they realise such a transformation may give them more support at the elections. Right now it is useless to reason with them - they don`t give a shyt about Ukraine, Russia, whatever. They only want to win the elections and avoid being sent to prisons for all their crimes.
pawian
22 Sep 2023 #234
to avoid the change of proUkrainian vibe of the Polish public opinion for worse. It would be extremely harmful to both countries - if Ukraine falls, Poland is the next target.

I used a mental shortcut. Now further explanation step by step how things can escalate.

Ukrainian politicians utter more stupidities about Poland and Poles.
The public opinion in Poland changes from pro Ukrainian to indifferent or hostile.
Poles create difficulties for Western transports to Ukraine and refuse to keep training camps for Ukrainian soldiers. .
Poles refuse to send more weapons from their current supplies. E.g, we still have a few dozen Leopard 2 tanks.
Poles don`t help when Ukraine energy sector collapses in wintertime after Russian air attacks.
Poles refuse to credit weapons from Polish factories - they demand hard cash.
Other countries which are still proUkrainian look at Poland and follow the example of indifferent we-don`t-care attitude. Western aid is gradually diminishing until it comes to an end.

Deprived of Western support, Ukraine is overrun by Russians and becomes Little Russia.

Is that what we want??? Certainly not. PiS gangsters are incorrigible and won`t change. The ball is on Ukrainian side right now.
Alien
22 Sep 2023 #235
Now further explanation step by step how things can escalate.

They will reach an agreement after the elections.
pawian
22 Sep 2023 #236
Do you have a crystal ball and a black cat???
Novichok
22 Sep 2023 #237
Humans wouldn`t have built civilisations without mutual trust and cooperation.

When did you trust somebody and how? I am not talking about commercial transactions where you pay now and get the goods later. That's enforcible and has nothing to do with trust.

I am talking about giving someone something of value without any way of proving that you did and the expectation of receiving equal value back later. That's trust. All else is bullsh*it.

Value (def.) - more than you are willing to give as a gift.

Russia trusted Western motherfu*ckers in 1990 about NATO. Russia trusted the Minsk Agreements - only to be told that it was a con game to buy time. Russia doesn't trust Western motherfu*ckers anymore. That's why 400,000 Ukrainians are dead and permanently disabled. Smart Russia.

Is that what we want???

YES!!! This will end the madness and the killings!
The difference between Z and P for the average U is not worth dying for.
Would you die for Z-P? Skip the crap about "freedom and democracy".
mafketis
22 Sep 2023 #238
ussia trusted Western motherfu*ckers in 1990 about NATO

Who said what? What proof do you have about that?

ussia trusted the Minsk Agreements

russia violated minsk before the ink was dry....

When did you trust somebody and how?

Figures you don't know... basically social trust is indispensible for a country to become wealthy and no country high in social mistrust has ever stayed rich...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-trust_and_low-trust_societies
pawian
22 Sep 2023 #239
When did you trust somebody and how?

I have always trusted my wife.:):):)

Russia trusted Western motherfu*ckers in 1990 about NATO

No, it didn`t. Russia never trusted the West coz it is naturally antiWestern. The case was simple - after the collapse of the USSR, Russia was too weak to have its way. Poland and other countries used that time well. :):):)

YES!!! This will end the madness and the killings!

Of course not. It is too late. If Russians conquer Ukraine, thousands of Ukrainians will be exterminated in filtration camps, gulag and in Katyn like massacres. Hundred thousands of Ukrainian women will be raped and inseminated by Russian barbarians in order to create a new Russoukrainian nation. Russians are vengeful people, like all Slavs, as Atch said a few weeks ago. Ukrainians know about it that is why they fight like lions for their freedom.

Down with imperialist Russia. Na pohybel skurwysynom!!!
Alien
22 Sep 2023 #240
have a crystal ball and a black cat???

No, but I have some intelligence.


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