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Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations


pawian  221 | 25301
20 Feb 2024   #451
I said Ukrainians do not see Poles as "strategic allies".

Prove it, please. :):):)
OP Bobko  27 | 2154
20 Feb 2024   #452
I guess all the smiley faces, are because you know I can't prove it.

Even if I fly to Kiev tomorrow, and schedule an appointment with Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmitry Kuleba, and the head of Ukraine's Security Council Alexei Danilov - I would not be able to provide you this answer.

Simply, you will have to take my word for it - which of course you won't. To Ukraine, all your intermarium/visegrad bullsh*t is a joke. They think they should occupy a different category - at least on the level of Spain or Italy. Their allies are Germany, UK, US.

Poland almost never gets mentioned in Ukraine, except negatively - for probably the last 9 months at least. Even though it's America, which is not delivering on its promises.
pawian  221 | 25301
20 Feb 2024   #453
you know I can't prove it.

Of course. You are pulling sth out of your dirty ass and expect we believe you ?

Simply, you will have to take my word for it - which of course you won't

Not with your history of lying and spreading propaganda. :):):)

all your intermarium/visegrad bullsh*t is a joke.

I hope so! hahahaha

Their allies are Germany, UK, US.

So are ours. Poland doesn`t need to be the sole most strategic ally of Ukraine. It is enough if Europe is!!! And Poland is certainly in Europe. We are strategic allies through European ties. Ha!!!!

Poland almost never gets mentioned

Lies, lies all the time. You are intent to lie like rabid all day and night I see. :):):)
OP Bobko  27 | 2154
20 Feb 2024   #454
Lies, lies all the time

Ahahaha!

First - you can check this for yourself. At least, with the two websites I mentioned.

Second - perhaps there was one period of positive coverage, when Tusk was elected, but it very, very quickly turned into greater disappointment.

What exactly did you think you did for Ukraine, in the last 9 months, to merit positive mentions?

First it was PiS openly standing against Ukrainian exports. Now it is Tusk "secretly" standing against the same.
pawian  221 | 25301
20 Feb 2024   #455
First - you can check this for yourself. At least, with the two websites I mentioned.

Infested with Russian trolls. Yes, I checked it for myself. :):):)

disappointment.

Of course. And it is perfectly understandable they are prone to be so radical in their opinions coz they are waging a war against a mortal enemy - Russian barbarians. . Didn`t I say that being Ukrainian, I would be equally disappointed?

So, they are showing normal human reactions and it would be strange if they all liked what Polish farmers and "farmers" are doing at the border.

You are wasting time. Poland is intent on helping Ukraine which is a good guy against Russia, a bad guy, despite your rabid Kremlin propaganda.

Ukrainian cause is right, Russian one is evil. Poles and Polesses see it perfectly.
Novichok  5 | 7903
20 Feb 2024   #456
What exactly did you think you did for Ukraine, in the last 9 months, to merit positive mentions?

They prolonged the war with a known outcome.

To PF morons: Russia will win and keep CDL forever. The rest will depend on how the Western warmongers will behave...
pawian  221 | 25301
20 Feb 2024   #457
Russia will win and keep CDL forever

Mission impossible!!! Episode 6, I presume. hahahaha
When Russia disintegrates one day, CDL will vote to return to Ukraine, a rich and prosperous member of the EU compared to Russian shythole.
Ironside  50 | 12387
20 Feb 2024   #458
It is clear some of those "farmers" are like Putin`s agents.

Oh really? So Ukrainians are only upset and talk badly about Poles.
But when Poles and farmers in particular are screwed by the Ukrainian oligarchy and their aim to dominate the EU market which means they lose their livelihood, they can't be upset and talk badly, they must be Putin agents.

What kind of scum are you? Don't tell me you are Polish and on the Polish side you are filthy degenerate.
OP Bobko  27 | 2154
20 Feb 2024   #459
they must be Putin agents.

The world's rapidly heading towards a place, where at least 50% of the population will be Putin's agents.

On Twitter, I see Democrats accusing Republicans of being Russian agents.

In the Financial Times comment section, anyone that thinks there's something fishy about Zelenksy - is immediately branded a Russian agent.

In the world of business, Elon Musk has become a Russian agent, because he doesn't want his company's products to start World War 3.

Even in goddamn Ukraine, if you question the wisdom of current military strategy or methods of mobilization, you are an agent of Putin.

Soon, people working outside of the Russian intelligence community will constitute a minority of the planet's population.
Ironside  50 | 12387
20 Feb 2024   #460
To PF morons: Russia will win

F off you moron, why yi even post here, nobody is interested. You said all you had to say in the first six weeks of your posting here as Novivovk, now you are only repeating the same crap. You are boring and annoying at the same time, why? Because you are stupid.

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Poland is intent on helping Ukraine

I'm sure we do have not much choice in that at the moment but we can choose the degree of help. If they don't stop their agricultural product dumping on the Polish market, I can see that the border will be closed completely.

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The funny thing is that their president is stupid and arrogant enough to make demands from Tusk's government and as much as I despise Tusk and his government for groveling to Germany and everybody really, he is in an impossible situation if he is going to use a force to stop farmers protesters there is no telling what will happen including blood going to be spil and mass anti-government demonstrations.

So far Tusk as a coward he is is waiting for the protest to pan out on its own, and here Zelensky adding fuel to the fire, what a tool. Who the hell does he think he is?
pawian  221 | 25301
20 Feb 2024   #461
you are Polish and on the Polish side

Darling, I am Polish and on the Polish side, that is why when I see Soviet flags displayed by your nazio far right buddies and their calls to Putin to make short work with Poland, then I have no choice but to dub them Putin`s agents. You are also one being such a Russian ass licker.
Ironside  50 | 12387
20 Feb 2024   #462
I am Polish and on the Polish side

No, you are a scum that makes excuses for Ukrainians and gives no quarters to the Polish people losing their livelihood due to the dirty tactic of Ukrainian oligarchy.
pawian  221 | 25301
20 Feb 2024   #463
to the Polish people losing their livelihood

Show me where I do it, darling. :):):) Coz now you are lying like your putinist buddy, Bobko..
pawian  221 | 25301
21 Feb 2024   #464
Why I can`t forgive you coz you are spreading antiUkrainian propaganda with the same wicked intention that paid Kremlin trolls are guided by all over the global net.

That is why it is important for the Polish side to emphasize that we have nothing against Ukraine and we still want to help this country, but we also need to defend our own business - appeals an expert from the Jan Kochanowski University in Kielce

Together, this creates an effect that is eagerly exploited by pro-Russian propaganda in Ukraine. In this country, many people do not understand what Poles are really protesting against. That is why there is an impression that "Poles are stabbing Ukraine in the back" because they are blocking the border, hindering exports and aid deliveries. I am seriously afraid that this - if used properly by the Russians - may really drive a wedge between our societies, waste the social capital that has recently been developed, and destroy mutual relations. Therefore, it is important for the Polish side to emphasize that we have nothing against Ukraine and we still want to help this country, but we also need to defend our own business - appeals the Onet interlocutor.

mafketis  38 | 11001
21 Feb 2024   #465
Polish "farmer" is actually..... a russian agent.... imagine my surprise!!!!!!! Who could have ever predicted such a thing?

twitter.com/United24media/status/1760260771471036627
Ironside  50 | 12387
21 Feb 2024   #466
Polish "farmer" is actually..... a Russian agent.

He is or he isn't. Who knows.? However, he is a tool in a smear campaign to undermine the protest of the Polish formers and their rightful anger.

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That is why there is an impression that "Poles are stabbing Ukraine in the back" because t

Because the Ukrainian government is in cahoots with the oligarchy and is corrupt to the core using official and semi-official channels to wage media campaigns against Poland. Thanks to the half-wits in Polish politics and incompetent politicians and tools like you they have an upper hand.
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2133
21 Feb 2024   #467
@Bobko
Fair point

I wouldn't be surprised if Tusk wants amoutor Russian agents to infiltrate the farmers, then after some time "capture" him after shadowed him and screened him and try to link farmers protest to a Russian Operation so as to try to make farmers lose backing.

There forces trying to trample down individual ownership of land and introducing food that they no less clue about for sure while making big bucks too...
mafketis  38 | 11001
21 Feb 2024   #468
he is a tool

On that we can agree.
jon357  73 | 23113
21 Feb 2024   #469
I wouldn't be surprised if Tusk wants

I doubt Premier Tusk, Poland's choice as leader, would want to do that.

Nor do I doubt that every significant strategic organisation in the public sector or in industry/agriculture/ since 1989 has had people in it who are in the r*SSians' pocket, in Poland and throughout the former eastern bloc.
Ironside  50 | 12387
21 Feb 2024   #470
I doubt Premier Tusk, Poland's choice as leader, would want to do that.

I guess your doubts are based on wishful thinking, I bet he is going to do it if he can.
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in Poland and throughout the former Eastern Bloc.

not only that across all countries of so-called liberal democracy, Germany is last but not least on such the list.
pawian  221 | 25301
21 Feb 2024   #471
Germany

This is maniacal obsessive phobia of yours - you see Germany everywhere. Do you see it also in your fridge and bed??? hahahaha

That is why there is an impression that "Poles are stabbing Ukraine in the back" because they are blocking the border

"A true Pole would never stab his neighbors fighting for freedom in the back," said Eliza Dzwonkiewicz, Polish consul general in Lviv. She did not like the form of protest by farmers who blocked the border with Ukraine and spilled grain on the railway tracks.

In an online entry, the Polish diplomat argued that she could no longer remain silent in the face of the recent events in our country. "I cannot pretend that I do not see these actions that shame Poland on the Polish-Ukrainian border . I am sorry, dear Ukrainian friends. What is happening cannot be the work of my compatriots," Eliza Dzwonkiewicz said on Facebook.

"And today, what are 'Polish' farmers and carriers doing ? I don't believe they are Poles. A real Pole would never stab his neighbors fighting for freedom in the back. It's not about demands , it's about a form of protest. Disgrace and shame . I apologize to fighting Ukraine . I'm sorry," Dzwonkiewicz said.

Ironside  50 | 12387
21 Feb 2024   #472
Eliza Dzwonkiewicz

She is a tool or Dzban! Eliza Cymbalkiewicz lol!
pawian  221 | 25301
21 Feb 2024   #473
She is a tool

You see Germans and tools everywhere!!! Amassing!! Have you ever worked as a mechanic in Germany????
:):):):
Ironside  50 | 12387
21 Feb 2024   #474
Have you ever worked as a mechanic in Germany????
:):):):

I never worked in Germany, it s unfortunate that Germany and Poland don't share interests and that German rules are trying to take advantage of Poland rather than try to cooperate.

Not my fault that wherever you look there are tools, what country does she represent Poland or Ukraine?
The same with you who the hell are you if not a tool, a useless idiot?
Alien  24 | 5739
21 Feb 2024   #475
I never worked in Germany

What a pity.
Ironside  50 | 12387
21 Feb 2024   #476
But I visited it a few times when the older generation of my family had been able to act as translators, visiting family you see.
OP Bobko  27 | 2154
21 Feb 2024   #477
visiting family you see.

You Poles are hopelessly compromised through all your work and study adventures in the 90s and 2000s.
Alien  24 | 5739
21 Feb 2024   #478
work and study adventures in the 90s and 2000s.

I dare you to deny it. These were the departures of Poles to the West during communism to work, which contributed significantly to the overthrow of communism in Poland and Eastern Europe.
Ironside  50 | 12387
21 Feb 2024   #479
Zelensky demands to meet with Tusk and Andrew on the border 24.02. lol!
I see he is under pressure, and I;m sure Tusk is hating it, being put in the spotlight, what are you going to do Tusk? lol!

You Poles are hopelessly compromised through all your work and study adventures in the 90s and 2000s.

What do you mean?
Novichok  5 | 7903
21 Feb 2024   #480
These were the departures of Poles to the West during communism

Poland was never communist just as Western "democracies" are not democracies.


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