Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations

One lark does not make a spring/jeden skowronek wiosny nie czyni.🙂

I deepened the already good relation with my younger workmate who used to be my student 11 years ago. :):):)

I still don't see what it is worth to you.
If you could achieve the same result with money and risk nothing, how much would you be willing to give him?

If Poland had my brains, Poland would have ended military aid before it started, the war would be over in months if not weeks, and 500,000 men would now be watching football and having pizza and beer.

Debating morons is very hard. Debating Polish PF morons - impossible. They will always find a new shiny object to deflect with and annoy. Or a picture of a sub with a hole....Wow...It sure means the end of Russia. Can you imagine...A hole in a sub...We just lost a 100-million-dollar plane we never needed and we are fine.

It is worth maintaining good relations with most workmates and in result keeping up a good atmosphere in my workplace. Didn`t you know from various polls that people value decent atmosphere more than a good pay???


Please..... :):):)

Said like a moron who follows RT and not real sources....

The russian plan (revealed some time ago) was to kill a bunch of Ukrainian civilians (Bucha on a countrywide scale) while closing the region to outsiders. After a few years the plan was to 'discover' the mass graves and blame the Ukrainian government....

russia was always going to kill a large number of Ukrainians, the only choice was whether to fight back and minimize losses or give up and suffer a holocaust.

I hate being a prophet of doom but it seems my words are coming true. The US politicians voted the budget without aid for Ukraine and Slovakia has chosen a pro Russian party to lead the country.

In the light of those only two events, the conflict over grain import which Ukrainians so happily aggravated by reporting on Poland to world institutions, seems like suicidal.

One of President Zelensky`s advisors who resigned last February warned of those suicidal tendencies in Ukrainian leaders.

Ukrainians, do not escalate conflicts with Poland coz it will have dire consequences for your country. When Poles, enraged by your ingratitude, turn their backs at you, everybody else will, too.

It is quite dangerous to turn your back to ukrainian guys. There is a lot of masters that will find use for your ass in a seconds. ;)

And you are always dreaming of my ass. Amasing!

No, bestiality is not my orientation.

I've got to say that this comment by Zelensky about Ukrainian refugees was a strange thing to say:

irishsun.com/news/273962752/zelensky-senses-weakening-western-support

He seems to forget that they are guests in our countries and they can be booted out if they misbehave. 🤨

As for Polish-Ukrainian relations - our governments may quarrel, but Ukrainian soldiers know who's a friend and who's a foe - this is what Mateusz Lachowski, a Polish war correspondent in Ukraine, wrote on his Facebook profile:

"When Polish and Ukrainian politicians are quarreling, Ukrainian soldiers on the frontline make such stuff to thank Poles for their help.
The society isn't the same as politicians.
Let us remember that and not allow for a division between us, because nothing makes Russia more happy than our quarrels.
Greetings from Ukraine!"

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@Paulina
That's because Ukrainian politicians are slowly realising that tax income, power, culture, influence is bonding more closely to Warsaw+Poland. Which is too much to their liking, they didn't exchange Putin to get Kaczyński+PiS instead

They see the long term dangers from their perspective (that are coming with high rail speed)
of polonization and possible consequences of Polish soft power if they don't do something, basically desperate reactions like Putin.

Seems like they hoped for easy and fast EU+NATO without Polish influence what so ever politically, culturally, influentially etc

They were warned by Putin (cause that's what he fears for Russia and wants to influence Ukraine from EU, Poland, NATO, U.S.A and West in general towards Russia instead.

For elites, if it's Berlin, Paris or Warsaw it makes A hige difference financially right now, with Warsaw having the smallest possible means. For most people however, it is easier and safer with Poland due to language and distance. Not every Ukrainian can afford air travel and English, German or French speaking advisors.

Learning/understanding Polish is closer at home, despite history

While the soldiers notice by comparing equipment and situation that Poland is to prefer over the west, due to a much larger chance of Poland involving itself not only in this conflict but, future conflicts. Russia is here to stay for the time being, that is what every Ukrainian fighter realises sooner or later

Unfortunately this is a bit of a Slavic trait - not very good at diplomacy.

Btw, despite the name, the source is not an Irish newspaper, just in case anyone thinks it is. It's Australian. They say they report Irish and European news but I also go straight to the horse's mouth for local news myself.

I don't know about that - Poles, Ukrainians and RuSSians aren't the only Slavic nations in this world :)) Besides, there's a pretty big difference between the diplomacy of PiS and PO, for example, so I don't think you're being fair, imho.


I see, I thought it's Irish and a legit newspaper, but I've checked now and it turns out it's an "online newspaper"... I guess I'll have to check if Zelensky actually said what was written there *sigh*

Czechs seem to be well liked by everyone.

In general, Slavs suffer from a big chip on the shoulder.

Always check the 'about us' section of websites. I thought the site looked a bit 'un-Irish', I'd never heard of it and the source of the news was RT.

You can listen to the original interview here:

economist.com/podcasts/2023/09/11/volodymyr-zelensky-tells-our-editor-in-chief-about-how-ukraine-is-preparing-for-a-long-war


Up to point but in many ways they're cut from the same cloth, at least as far as internal/domestic politics is concerned. Plenty of mud-slinging and childish lampooning going on from both sides in the present electoral campaign.

I've listened to it after I've checked that newspaper. Zelensky didn't say anything of that sort in the podcast, but it is mentioned that some parts of the interview weren't conducted in English, so maybe it's in the article. Unfortunately, I can't read it, because it's paid access :/


But you wrote about diplomacy, not about internal politics. And there's a stark difference between how PO conducted their foreign policy during their rule and how PiS is doing that.

As for the rest of your post - we're going off topic, so I'm going to comment on the rest in "Polish Parliamentary Elections 2023" thread.

Btw, it would probably be better if Zelensky didn't give such long interviews in English, because he's simply not fluent enough and due to that he may have problems with getting his point across...

Yes, but a certain amount of diplomacy can be good there too especially if your party needs to form a coalition in the future. You can also exhibit diplomacy in how you deal with the electorate.


I was wondering whether it could be a mis-translation of what he said.

Yes, Ukrainian soldiers know it.
Do PIS and Konfederacja brainwashed homo sovieticus voters also know it????
That`s the weak point in this Pol-Ukr brawl. When PiS presents Ukrainians as enemies in PiS owned media, 30% of their voters will follow the party line. Konfederacja`s 8% nationalists and other crazies already reject Ukraine. It makes about 40% of Polish society which one day may happily turn against Ukrainians. .

If Ukrainians are unaware of such threats, they are really suicidal.

Sorry. The calculation I provided assumes that all Poles take part in voting. No, only about 60%. So. it isn`t 40% against Ukraine but about 25%. Still too many imho.

The incident you were kind to mention was the transfer of an industry dispute to an international forum, to the extent that the UN General Assembly meeting was still present caused that our society's confidence in the current policy of the Ukrainian government towards Poland was shaken Rau argued.

Whenever I have the opportunity to talk to my partners from Ukraine in recent years, I emphasize the obvious for us and for them. If Germany has to choose between Russia and Ukraine, they will always choose Russia. If Poland has to choose, we will always choose Ukraine - emphasized the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs .

polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2023-10-02/zbigniew-rau-w-programie-gosc-wydarzen/?ref=slider

Just amazing how fast the PiS government manages to evaporate all the goodwill accumulated in the last 20 month.

The head of the Ministry of Agriculture held an online meeting this morning with the Minister of Agricultural Policy and Food of Ukraine Mykoła Solski and the Minister of Agriculture of Lithuania Kastutis Navickas.

We agreed on an important matter. From tomorrow, inspections from the Ukrainian-Polish border as regards grain that is in transit through Lithuania will be carried out in Lithuania, in the Lithuanian port

Telus said that "this is a good thing in building this transit, in building, this solidarity corridor that we, as Poland, built in Europe.".

I think this is a good exchange of views and summary of positions.

Vohyln 1943. Understanding is possible?

We publish a discussion by Polish and Ukrainian historians Grzegoz Motika and Volodymyr Vyatrovich, conducted by journalist Magdalena Rigamonti from the Onet portal.

novapolshcha.pl/article/primirennya-mozhlive-rozmova-pro-volin/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

Someone who reads onet can possibly find the polish version.

BB : Let us also remember that the Polish and Ukrainian underground in 1946 signed a non-aggression agreement, which later became an alliance against the Communists, against the Russians.

GM: Today, Poland is an ally of Ukraine in the war against Putin's Russia. Because even the hardest past should not affect our future in a common Europe.

What a sudden change of attitude

It wasn't ne u dumb kraut pretend polak it was the renowned polish historian Grzegoz Motika

Taras Kachka, Ukrainian trade representative, said that Ukraine has suspended it's complaints to WTO against Poland, Hungary and Slovakia for the time being while "looking for a practical solution" to the problem:

reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-trade-wto/ukraine-trade-official-says-kyiv-pauses-wto-complaints-against-three-neighbours-interfax-ukraine-idUSS8N39A099

Leaked Video Waz make of it of you will youtu.be/qCmE_pA9tGw?t=28
Center for US Ukrainian Relations (CUSUR) Walter Zaryckyj
Zbig Brezinski spoke at their event in 2011, and congratulated them, on 20 years of independence.He knew them and he help make it happen.
mother ship Ukrainian Congress Committee of America
mothership OUN-B
Good on them.
I wish we Poles were this resilient, instead of assimilating into American culture.
Third Gen, and they're not polish eh novi? but the Ukris are different.