Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash

OK. Suggest a better source of information about the Smolensk accident.

oK mate. smolenskcrash.eu/news-53-smolensk-related-deaths.html just like JFK and Diana.

If you want to read deeper smolenskcrash.eu/uploaded/The%20Smolensk%20Readers%20Digest_2.pdf

I read it. TNT my ass...detonated right there during the landing...Sure...
If Russia cannot be trusted, Poland knew that BEFORE that plane took off. They should have taken a train. Trains have no problems with fog.

They have too.

Name one case where a fog derailed a train and caused all aboard to die.

I can't, but if it happened, I bet it was in Russia.....

Collision of trains in the fog near Krakow in 1934 with many fatalities.

They would collide without the fog.

No, they wouldn't.

If all means imbeciles from your family and circle of friends, then yes, it is correct - you are imbeciles. :):):) Merry Christmas to all of you. hahahaha

I used a silly joke to express certain opinion which some people could have misunderstood.
In simple English, it wasn`t Russians who did.
It was Polish pilots who did, after being forced by their air force superiors, urged by President Kaczyński on board, pressed by his twin brother Jarosław Kaczyński in Warsaw, to land in Smolensk at any cost.

They hadn`t realised the cost of that stupid political bravado was their lives.

Today Jarosław is still haunted by the memories of his dead brother. But he pushed his own guilt out of his conscience and really seems to believe it was Tusk who did it.

No, Mr Kaczyński, it was you who sentenced your own brother after you ordered him to land in Smoleńsk and reach the Katyn Massacre Cemetery before the Tusk gov delegation could get there.

He deserved it.

But his brother, Lech, didn`t deserve that tragic death in Smoleńsk. If he was alive today, he would certainly contain his mad brother`s antics.

Jarosław, you murdered your own brother. Don`t forget about it until the last hour of your life.

In 2011 I started the thread about an air crash which killed 96 Polish citizens including the President of Poland. Rightist liars and manipulators claimed it was a plotted assassination but I never believed them. And I was right.

New facts have just surfaced about the investigating comittee set up by rightist liars and led by chief lair Macierewicz after they came to power in 2015:

Andrzej Stankiewicz: Macierewicz's factory of lies

There is very serious evidence that Jarosław Kaczyński was perfectly aware of all of Macierewicz's Smolensk lies. During the PiS government, the Minister of Defense, Mariusz Błaszczak, was alerted about them. And Błaszczak always informs Kaczyński about everything.

Here is a condensed dose of knowledge about Antoni Macierewicz's Smolensk subcommittee. The subcommittee never found any evidence of an attack. Macierewicz's foreign experts, who were supposed to confirm the attack, completely distanced themselves from these theories after their research. What's more, they concluded that the Tupolev with the president on board crashed after hitting a birch tree, after which it lost part of its wing and spun around. In other words, they confirmed the theory that Macierewicz had fiercely questioned and fiercely fought for over a decade.

Trying to force them to change their minds, Macierewicz resorted to blackmail that he would not pay them - which some considered a bribery offer , according to which they were to receive money for supporting the attack. No one was tempted.

Undeterred, Macierewicz manipulated foreign expert opinions in order to prove that there had been an attack in Smolensk. He simply falsified his own reports, selectively citing foreign studies, or lying that he was citing them. At the same time, he met with strange guests from Russia and the West, but with Eastern surnames, who provided him with Smolensk sensations. And he handed over the preparation of the report to his own wife, a literature specialist who has no access to state secrets.

But were you really right, or have the Russians just duped you?

Your evidence is very strong, but in view of what Russians have done since, like the Novichock attacks, are you at least not a bit suspicious of the Russians?

What I've always said is that it is something russians would do if they wanted and had the chance but.... there's no real evidence that they were involved (while AM's dodgy connections to russia have long been known, same as Morawiecki's dad....).

The unfortunate accident was weaponized by PiS.

At that time, for russia, Poland was a small and unimportant country, politically torn apart, with a ridiculous president. Why would they bother and organize some assassination?

Not only that.... russians tend to be bunglers and usually leave fingerprints all over the place... it would be screamingly obvious if they had been involved.

Exactly. Too little gain and too big a scandal if the Russian assassins were nailed down. It was still 2010 when Russia was on friendly terms with the West.

PIS rightists have a big problem. Their idol, American President, is currently colluding with Russian leader Putin in implementing MASA agenda.
However, PIS believe that Putin shot down the plane with Lech Kaczyński on board.

They are still praising Golden Cow but are getting more and more confused.

I bet some of them wish they hadn't shouted "Donald Trump! Donald Trump!" in the parliament when Trump was elected. :)

Not only that. Some were even wearing those stupid MASA caps. Including the chief thief of PiS right now, already arrested Matecki.
Golden Cow made a huge mistake when he sold his cap to Matecki cos it is a really bad PR for Golden Cow to be promoted by thieves and frauds.
Thieves support Golden Cow

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They are idiots. Enough with idiots in Polish politics, you should vote Konfederacja.
At least they wouldn't make such an embarrassing demonstration of being idiots rather than Polish representatives.

Thanks, but I'll stick with PSL (the conservative wing). Konfederacja are boy scouts not ready for serious politics yet.


That's true. Although they may run around with fire extinguishers, advocate corporal punishment for children or say on Twitter that there is no evidence that Earth orbits the Sun. :)

They will massage this into Tusk and Komorowski shooting the plane down while poor helpless putin tried to stop them....

Mark my words...

fire extinguishers save lives, there is nothing wrong with corporal punishment for children, above all, those are trivia that don't affect politics.
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You mean with those who support the Tusk government. Are you crazy? You stand against Poland's interest, ah, but maybe you have an interest of your own.
Nevertheless, from now on I'm holding you personally responsible for everything the government does and doesn't do.

PSL, as you may well remember, was in the government with SLD, PO and even PiS (on local government/municipal level). That's real politics. The point is to have real influence on those in power - if you can't win the elections then at least as a coalition partner. This way you can keep and develop your political structures, make sure that your aims are - at least partially - realised, and you can block the most idiotic ideas of your coalition partners if such need arises.

Of course, you can - as Konfederacja does - stay outside and only criticise everything; a very comfortable position but ultimately pointless.


Believe it or not (they probably don't write it in "Najwyższy CZAS!") but PSL is consistently most pro-Polish party. They are not exceedingly either pro-American, pro-Russian or pro-European, they look first for the interest of Poland in the long run. Peasant common sense. Salt of the Earth.


I have children. Their future is my interest, and their future depends on whether Poland is a safe and prosperous country. I don't feel like emigrating and selling my heart and heritage for a couple of dollars/euros, so I stand with Poland through thick and thin like PSL always have...




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You greatly overestimate my political influence.

Voting for them means voting for Putin/Russian rule in Poland!

What are the practical achievements? Not for the party but for the country? I fail to see anything.
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Ineed they feed themselves and their cronies. They defend an access to the trough.
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Konfedracja is a young organization, PSL had 30 years to show what it's made off and sadly we can see - it is made of opportunists, incompetent tools. Boys scouts are geniuses in comparison.

No, far right nationalist boy scouts aren`t geniuses. They are Putin`s supporters who dream of ruling Poland under Russian control, like communists did in the past.

Look, when Russians attack and the Polish gov declares the state of war, all those nationalist traitors should be isolated in detention camps as a serious threat to the stability of the state.