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Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash


Novichok  5 | 8509
20 Dec 2023   #841
Wow this moron does not know that the political parts of wikipedia

OK. Suggest a better source of information about the Smolensk accident.
amiga500  5 | 1524
20 Dec 2023   #842
oK mate. smolenskcrash.eu/news-53-smolensk-related-deaths.html just like JFK and Diana.

If you want to read deeper smolenskcrash.eu/uploaded/The%20Smolensk%20Readers%20Digest_2.pdf
Novichok  5 | 8509
20 Dec 2023   #843
smolenskcrash.eu/uploaded/The%20Smolensk%20Readers%20Digest_2.pdf

I read it. TNT my ass...detonated right there during the landing...Sure...
If Russia cannot be trusted, Poland knew that BEFORE that plane took off. They should have taken a train. Trains have no problems with fog.
Alien  25 | 6012
20 Dec 2023   #844
Trains have no problems with fog.

They have too.
Novichok  5 | 8509
22 Dec 2023   #845
Name one case where a fog derailed a train and caused all aboard to die.
Miloslaw  21 | 5181
22 Dec 2023   #846
I can't, but if it happened, I bet it was in Russia.....
Alien  25 | 6012
23 Dec 2023   #847
Collision of trains in the fog near Krakow in 1934 with many fatalities.
Novichok  5 | 8509
23 Dec 2023   #848
They would collide without the fog.
Alien  25 | 6012
23 Dec 2023   #849
No, they wouldn't.
OP pawian  221 | 26014
24 Dec 2023   #850
But we all know the Russians did this

If all means imbeciles from your family and circle of friends, then yes, it is correct - you are imbeciles. :):):) Merry Christmas to all of you. hahahaha
OP pawian  221 | 26014
26 Dec 2023   #851
then yes, it is correct -

I used a silly joke to express certain opinion which some people could have misunderstood.
In simple English, it wasn`t Russians who did.
It was Polish pilots who did, after being forced by their air force superiors, urged by President Kaczyński on board, pressed by his twin brother Jarosław Kaczyński in Warsaw, to land in Smolensk at any cost.

They hadn`t realised the cost of that stupid political bravado was their lives.

Today Jarosław is still haunted by the memories of his dead brother. But he pushed his own guilt out of his conscience and really seems to believe it was Tusk who did it.

No, Mr Kaczyński, it was you who sentenced your own brother after you ordered him to land in Smoleńsk and reach the Katyn Massacre Cemetery before the Tusk gov delegation could get there.
Alien  25 | 6012
27 Dec 2023   #852
Today Jarosław is still haunted

He deserved it.
OP pawian  221 | 26014
27 Dec 2023   #853
But his brother, Lech, didn`t deserve that tragic death in Smoleńsk. If he was alive today, he would certainly contain his mad brother`s antics.

Jarosław, you murdered your own brother. Don`t forget about it until the last hour of your life.
OP pawian  221 | 26014
24 Oct 2024   #854
In 2011 I started the thread about an air crash which killed 96 Polish citizens including the President of Poland. Rightist liars and manipulators claimed it was a plotted assassination but I never believed them. And I was right.

New facts have just surfaced about the investigating comittee set up by rightist liars and led by chief lair Macierewicz after they came to power in 2015:

Andrzej Stankiewicz: Macierewicz's factory of lies

There is very serious evidence that Jarosław Kaczyński was perfectly aware of all of Macierewicz's Smolensk lies. During the PiS government, the Minister of Defense, Mariusz Błaszczak, was alerted about them. And Błaszczak always informs Kaczyński about everything.

Here is a condensed dose of knowledge about Antoni Macierewicz's Smolensk subcommittee. The subcommittee never found any evidence of an attack. Macierewicz's foreign experts, who were supposed to confirm the attack, completely distanced themselves from these theories after their research. What's more, they concluded that the Tupolev with the president on board crashed after hitting a birch tree, after which it lost part of its wing and spun around. In other words, they confirmed the theory that Macierewicz had fiercely questioned and fiercely fought for over a decade.

Trying to force them to change their minds, Macierewicz resorted to blackmail that he would not pay them - which some considered a bribery offer , according to which they were to receive money for supporting the attack. No one was tempted.

Undeterred, Macierewicz manipulated foreign expert opinions in order to prove that there had been an attack in Smolensk. He simply falsified his own reports, selectively citing foreign studies, or lying that he was citing them. At the same time, he met with strange guests from Russia and the West, but with Eastern surnames, who provided him with Smolensk sensations. And he handed over the preparation of the report to his own wife, a literature specialist who has no access to state secrets.

Miloslaw  21 | 5181
24 Oct 2024   #855
Rightist liars and manipulators claimed it was a plotted assassination but I never believed them. And I was right.

But were you really right, or have the Russians just duped you?

Your evidence is very strong, but in view of what Russians have done since, like the Novichock attacks, are you at least not a bit suspicious of the Russians?
mafketis  38 | 11106
25 Oct 2024   #856
what Russians have done since, like the Novichock attacks, are you at least not a bit suspicious of the Russians?

What I've always said is that it is something russians would do if they wanted and had the chance but.... there's no real evidence that they were involved (while AM's dodgy connections to russia have long been known, same as Morawiecki's dad....).

The unfortunate accident was weaponized by PiS.
Alien  25 | 6012
25 Oct 2024   #857
it is something russians would do if they wanted and had the chance

At that time, for russia, Poland was a small and unimportant country, politically torn apart, with a ridiculous president. Why would they bother and organize some assassination?
mafketis  38 | 11106
25 Oct 2024   #858
Why would they bother and organize some assassination?

Not only that.... russians tend to be bunglers and usually leave fingerprints all over the place... it would be screamingly obvious if they had been involved.
OP pawian  221 | 26014
25 Oct 2024   #859
Why would they bother

Exactly. Too little gain and too big a scandal if the Russian assassins were nailed down. It was still 2010 when Russia was on friendly terms with the West.


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